United States The Glowie Infestation: No Longer a Fringe Excuse
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Well, they clearly are, but shouldn't be.
Then why do they constantly violate the constitution? It's because they are quite fine putting every human in a cage if it means 'safety' for America. They are the runaway paperclip machine that produces security instead, not realizing that they are the far bigger security threat to Americans.
As for 'oh noes America would lose': America is already losing with the NSA. It's prevented no terrorist attacks, helped us do fuck all vs Iraq/Afghanistan, and the IC is one of the main reasons Trump was run out of office. They don't serve the US, they rule the US.
I'll defend the IC when they stop coming for Americans and American interests.
You defend them because you say they protect us from our enemies. What you are too blind to see, is that people are telling you that THEY are our enemies.
And they are. The FBI is attacking American conservatives amd protecting left wingers, while labeling parents who go to school board meetings as terrorists. the NSA is trying to destroy privacy and encryption and spies on the American people, and many other abuses have been pointed out.
Our intelligence communities ARE THE ENEMY. They're far more dangerous to us, and have caused far more harm, than any foreign adversary in the last couple decades.
Just in the kast few years They've taken part in collusion schemes to oust sitting presidents. They have helped to cook up or hide evidence that lead to the impeachment of a fucking president. They have taken part in arresting the leading political opposition to our current president. They have sat on and hidden evidence of the current president's own crimes to ensure he gets elected. They're eroding American freedom's and stepping on our throats while they orchestrate election interference to ensure the people they want end up in power.
We are under attack from these 3 letter agencies, they pose a way bigger risk than foreign adversaries, because they're actively harming our country and our democracy RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK, and your inability to recognize it is quite frustrating to everyone else who sees what is plainly obvious.
They've managed to plant their dictator in the president's seat and our entire system is collapsing.
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You are once again ignoring why people are upset with the IC, and just putting up the same boilerplate shit about foreign adversaries to try to paper over it and deflect criticism and blame from the IC for their part in why the US society is so fucked domestically.
And the IC is more than just the NSA, as you well know, and do I need to go get a list of the abuses committed by the CIA against US civies on US soil?
Do you understand just trying to dodge the subject of addressing IC abuses or US citizens doesn't help any of your arguments, and makes it look more like you want to ignore and dismiss that said abuses happened at all.
The fact is, at a certain point the 'foreign enemies are doing X' or 'if we try to fix abuses in the IC, we will lose our edge' reasoning begins to fall short agianst the abuses said reasoning has helped enable. You do not see people hating on the NRO or DIA much, because they do not engage in the same domestic abuses that the CIA and FBI have, nor the 'backdoor' privacy breaches the NSA does on a regular basis.
Abolishing the IC completely would be pointless and worse than useless; however continuing to try to shield the IC from the consequences of their domestic abuses only makes it so the US public has even less reason to trust our own IC. You also seem to have forgotten the numerous FISA court abuses that have been uncovered because of actions against Trump.
How many unjustified and un-Constitutional abuses of the domestic US citizenry is the current IC edge worth, Zach?
I agree with pretty much all of this.
I do not think Zach wants to deal with the domestic implications of IC abuses and IC fuckery in domestic politics, and what it means for his job/the sort of organization he is part of.
He only talks about foreign threats, and ignores the domestic side of things, because he knows addressing the domestic side of the IC would mean admitting some people he takes orders from/works with are just as much enemies of the American public and Constitution as Russia or the CCP are, but with tons of power over the US that neither Russia or the CCP can manage via infiltration attempts.
The NRO or DIA are about the only intel groups these days who aren't hated by a lot of the public, on both sides, because they are rather more outwards facing and restricted in their domestic operations, compared to the other intel groups.
Let's not forget that they conspired with the Chiraq cops to put gang bangers in blacksites.
Gotta wonder why they were field testing disappearing American citizens with hoodrats. Maybe to soften the blow when they start putting normies in concentration camps?
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I'd like to see the FBI ATF DEA and NSA all get abolished oh and the DHS too. The TSA is also pretty worthless.
Honestly, the backlash against the FBI actually resulting in legislation is one of the biggest whitepills of my life. It's a huge sign that should be pointed to everytime someone says Conservatives are Dems driving the speedlimit. Nope, they are finally turning it around here.
Let me put it this way.
The amount of stuff the NSA is needed for is greater then the small minority that abuses the power granted to them.
I an just telling you what happens should it be abolished and why it is necessary.
The issue being, arguing this in the way I am able to does not work and none of you know anything more then what you are spoon fed.
The amount of stuff the NSA is needed for is greater then the small minority that abuses the power granted to them.
I an just telling you what happens should it be abolished and why it is necessary.
The issue being, arguing this in the way I am able to does not work and none of you know anything more then what you are spoon fed.
Simonbob
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Bassoe
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They're either too incompetent to catch onto the epstein and schwab conspiracies or they knew about them but didn't do anything. It's a bad sign when the only argument against being traitors is that they're too stupid to actually do their job.
So NSA knew Epstein and friends were diddling kids and just let it keep happening?
This is the problem Zach, you keep wanting to pretend the people pulling the IC's strings and determining it's targets/priorities don't want to mostly use the IC as a domestic boot to political rivals/shield political friends, not to keep Pearl Harbor 2.0 from happening.
When the IC decided to start playing domestic politics, it lost the benefit of the doubt, particularly after the post-9/11 abuses.
No one has had to spoon-feed the public the ability to do basic reasoning and figure out who the IC have shielded over the years/what their preferred politics are; the reaction to Trump did that all on it's own.
The fact that you think essentially pulling off a coup on Trump while protecting Bide is a minor thing rather than a flat out attack on America and our democracy itself tells me that we just are not going to agree on this issue.
For another country to overthrow a president of ours, that would take a massive war. They did it through abusing their power. This isn't minor. Not by a long shot. We don't have a functional democracy at the moment, we have a multi-tier justice system, and the people responsible are a bigger threat than some sheep herders and commies on the other side of the planet.
I once had a TSA agent legit ask me to prove that my cellphone wasn't a nuclear bomb...
Not a remote, not a detonator..a fucking nuke.
They serve China, many of them literally worship Satan...they helped cause 9-11.
This is reality, they are traitors, they all belong in Gitmo right next to the Arabs they paid and trained.
I want to see Representatives openly calling them child killers and pedophiles on the floor...but this is a very good start.
TyrantTriumphant
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While the intel agencies do deserve to be broken up or at the very least purged of most of their staff for their crimes, they did not cause 9-11. Jihadists are more than capable of doing things without outside promoting.
Just because the Left and their tools in the intel community are responsible for many evils does not mean that they are responsible for all evils. We are fighting a war on more than one front, and our enemies do not always work together.
They knew and failed to act at the very least.
Also you're acting like these degenerates aren't inbed with Jihadis, Bin Laden was a glowie asset.
Is there any intelligence-related organizations which actually does it's job? Like as I think on it...
ATF=Basically satan
FBI=Incapable of their job
CIA=Literal glowies
NSA=Good at spying...On it's own people
...I don't know much about the DEA but I haven't heard good things about them either.
ATF=Basically satan
FBI=Incapable of their job
CIA=Literal glowies
NSA=Good at spying...On it's own people
...I don't know much about the DEA but I haven't heard good things about them either.
Terthna
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Technically they did, if you believe the allegations that Osama bin Laden built his terrorist organization using money he received from the CIA during Soviet–Afghan War. The intelligence community also, as I recall, outright ignored the perpetrators of 9/11 from the moment they entered the United States; even though they knew they were planning something deadly, and could have rounded them up at any time.
The NSA and the DIA are very good.
Majority if the intel collected that is given to the military is from either the NSA, which is a DoD agency, or the DIA.
What kind of intel is what makes it.
you also have the NGA, NRO, etc.
all very important.
I can for sure tell you the IC had no insolvent in that.
At least directly.
Could the CIA funding from the 80s led to this? Sure.
Do I know? Nope