Navarro
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I mean, in the John Sawyer mod you can only make knock-off stimpaks with those ingredients, which aren't nearly as good.
Fallout The Eagle And The Bear [Fallout AU]
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I mean, in the John Sawyer mod you can only make knock-off stimpaks with those ingredients, which aren't nearly as good.
ForeverShogo
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True. But Sawyer also says that his mod is very much unofficial and that none of the things he changed should be treated as canon.
And the Bitter Drink is still the better healing item even in his mod. So take of that what you will.
I'd just chalk it up to a very convenient and very beneficial mutation in the flora of the post apocalyptic wasteland.
"Holy shit, we sure are glad these plants mutated in such a way to allow us to recreate Stimpaks without a fancy lab."
And the Bitter Drink is still the better healing item even in his mod. So take of that what you will.
I'd just chalk it up to a very convenient and very beneficial mutation in the flora of the post apocalyptic wasteland.
"Holy shit, we sure are glad these plants mutated in such a way to allow us to recreate Stimpaks without a fancy lab."
Tech File: B-120 Dragon II
Navarro
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You forgot to mention the lovechild of a Hind and a V-22 Osprey, that they have in the thousands. And that each contain a squad of power armoured soldiers. Vertibirds are scary even to an RL first world military and it's no wonder the NCR gaining access to them is one of the real things that made them an actual decent military.
Of course, E-USA has come up with ways to make them scarier.
BTW:
B-120 Dragon II
The B-90 Dragon was perhaps the most celebrated bomber of Augustus Autumn's presidency. Developed shortly after the recovery of pre-War aircraft factories on the outskirts of Chicago, they proved a devastating force even when equipped with crude WW2-era gravity bombs. But, they were defective in several ways. The plasma engines which gave them their great speed required heavy maintenance, and as a result they often spent more time in hangars than flying - even during the annual Fourth of July parade, they were a rare sight. And worse, simulations demonstrated that their celebrated speed was ineffective against a combination of SAM and laser-based AA defences - which satellite intelligence demonstrated the NCR had built with surprising speed.
So during the Castiglione Administration a bidding war began for a new strategic bomber. The contract was awarded to US Aviation, a company renowned for its flying-wing designs, and it's no surprise that their design followed that pattern.
The core of the B-120 is a diamond shape which contains the bomb bay, cockpit, and avionics. From there two relatively thin swept wings project outwards. The plane is propelled by two direct-air-cycle fusion engines, similar to the F-97 Aurora, capable of flying at Mach 1.5. The bomb bay is capable of containing 40,000 pounds of material, including nuclear arms - it is also capable of containing a modified "Lightning Strike" cruise missile, giving the plane the capability of striking targets from beyond visual range.
The B-120 was designed and built at secret facilities in the Greenland Territory - though the FBI Counter-intelligence Division, based at the Panopticon Building, has claimed there was never any risk of NCR intelligence discovering the project, US Military Intelligence has always cast doubts on such claims.
The B-120's design and advanced composite materials give it a high degree of radar stealth capabilities. Following satisfactory tests over Greenland, a squadron of SAC pilots are to test it in real-world combat conditions over Texas ...
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SuperHeavy
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So I take it the B-95 is basically an up-teched B-2 with fusion engines appearance wise? Probably a smart idea to go for stealth over speed and armor now that laser based AA is coming into use. It's either that or go for the drone swarm approach they don't have the spare resources for.
Navarro
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SuperHeavy
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Damn got the model number confused again, I meant the old flying wing.An upteched B-21, actually:
Northrop Grumman B-21 Raider - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
With an engine design more similar to the B-2.
That'll teach me to post before my coffee. Hopefully the fallout version does not have the same cost per unit.
Navarro
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Damn got the model number confused again, I meant the old flying wing.
Most of the cost for US Aviation was building a giant plane factory and testing facility on Greenland. For obvious reasons.
CarlManvers2019
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Say, where does the money for all the Enclave’s armed forces come from? Which taxes? It’s not cheap having so much power armor and vehicles and energy weapons and other expenses
Going by the first few chapters, I think the Enclave still has a thing for being against Communism and policies of Communism
Going by the first few chapters, I think the Enclave still has a thing for being against Communism and policies of Communism
Navarro
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There's been a prolonged economic boom for the past 40 years as a result of trade with Europe (bear in mind that there hasn't been any serious war since the Ronto Campaign, as well). The USA is Europe's only source of high-technology goods, so they're willing to pay quite a lot.
There'll be some more economic details later on.
There'll be some more economic details later on.
CarlManvers2019
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I’m guessing very free market with a low tax rate+highly advanced technologies somehow resulting in a much higher tax revenue
ForeverShogo
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I'd be genuinely surprised. Not at the free market thing, but at the idea of a low tax rate. I've talked about automation before, but with Fallout style robotics you're going to need what can only be called a progressive tax rate so you can afford to essentially subsidize your population. Otherwise you're going to be looking at a lot of widespread human misery and suffering as unemployment rates make those seen during the Great Depression look downright quaint by comparison.
Those robots are going to quickly pay for themselves and basically obliterate the US workforce. Why? Because if your goal is to make as much of a profit as possible, it's just good business to use a robotic workforce that doesn't get tired, doesn't need to eat or sleep, and most importantly, doesn't need to be paid.
The good news is that these robots will also make everything so ridiculously goddamn cheap that money will just become less and less important. An income that would trap you in poverty in real life could probably pay for a downright luxurious lifestyle as robots become more prominent in Fallout America's economy.
I mean, I guess someone can be an asshole and decide, "Fuck anyone who can't keep up with tireless automatons." But you'd be guaranteeing a popular revolt as people start thinking maybe those Commies weren't so bad. Which is something I imagine you'd want to avoid.
Maybe someone can revive the ideas of the Huey "The Kingfisher" Long. Communists in his era hated him because his ideas would make people not want to be Communists anymore while preserving the Capitalist system.
Those robots are going to quickly pay for themselves and basically obliterate the US workforce. Why? Because if your goal is to make as much of a profit as possible, it's just good business to use a robotic workforce that doesn't get tired, doesn't need to eat or sleep, and most importantly, doesn't need to be paid.
The good news is that these robots will also make everything so ridiculously goddamn cheap that money will just become less and less important. An income that would trap you in poverty in real life could probably pay for a downright luxurious lifestyle as robots become more prominent in Fallout America's economy.
I mean, I guess someone can be an asshole and decide, "Fuck anyone who can't keep up with tireless automatons." But you'd be guaranteeing a popular revolt as people start thinking maybe those Commies weren't so bad. Which is something I imagine you'd want to avoid.
Maybe someone can revive the ideas of the Huey "The Kingfisher" Long. Communists in his era hated him because his ideas would make people not want to be Communists anymore while preserving the Capitalist system.
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CarlManvers2019
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I guess that could work, that said, I think society would in a way still be capitalist
They would just be paying human beings for relatively luxurious stuff like being artists or athletes or writers or entertainers and such
They would just be paying human beings for relatively luxurious stuff like being artists or athletes or writers or entertainers and such
ForeverShogo
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Yeah. People would mostly be free to pursue passion projects and indulge in their hobbies.
There'd definitely be a boom in the entertainment industries.
There'd definitely be a boom in the entertainment industries.
CarlManvers2019
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Just better hope they don't end up like Isaac Asimov's rather negative view on Post-Scarcity societies
Isaac Asimov: The Rise and Fall of the Spacers
The History of Isaac Asimov's Spacer Worlds
www.asimovonline.com
Near-Heartless to Heartless, unattached to family, barely have much desire for family, take planned parenthood to the extreme, afraid to be near one another because "germs" and deciding to live extremely safe and isolated lives 24/7 where robots cater to their every need and they barely have much desire for adventure or do much
Well, admittedly they got guys pursuing stuff like science and arts
ForeverShogo
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Seems like it should be pretty easy to avoid. It's more a cultural thing than anything else, since the Spacers were already extremely isolationist before they broke free from Earth.
CarlManvers2019
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I talked about it on the reddit threads as to why long after the Spacer-Settler conflict became myth, why no one did genetic enhancements
Apparently those societies tended to breakdown as to a quote from one of the Galactic Empire books, though I don’t recall one being made
People tend to have lots of kids during poor conditions, even when they can’t afford them. Which I think is why, first world countries are with a much lower population....or that maybe because of the costs they know that come with having kids in the first world alongside not wanting to have so much responsibility in their fertile years, whereas people from poorer countries or less socially progressive cultures and nations are into turning women into “baby factories” and such
Though, I think/recall that the Enclave had that “Have lots of babies! It’s your duty!” that the Courier Six and Arcade Gannon found cringeworthy
So maybe they combine the best of “planned parenthood” and having babies en masse
I’m guessing checking on the father & mother’s health as well as the fetus for genetic defects to have been mandatory or very traditional choice for parents
Wouldn’t want to have a horribly deformed baby with extra limbs or predisposition to cancer, now would we?
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AspblastUSA
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I'm going to have to disagree with this because if the part where the US is also civilizing the wasteland. The populations involved are relatively tiny and extremely poor. It would likely be well within the US government's budget to subsidize the entire first generation, and then train all of their children to be artisans, scientists and engineers. Especially if they ever completed that project that was being spitballed in the first story to re-tool the FEV to effectively make the population into Augments.
While I don't think it would be anywhere near as hyperfocused, ironically enough I don't think someone from the Institute would feel completely alienated by the early 24th century United States.
CarlManvers2019
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One thing I think people forget, is that technologies change society. So things like class differences and relations with other nations become less or different problems.
When things are easier and there is a lack of scarcity, people change gradually
Course, I think they would have more fashion sense than The Institute and move around a lot more
CarlManvers2019
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@Navarro
Since the Enclave went and killed off the many threats to the Wasteland’s restoration
Gotta ask this, since I remembered reading Foundation & Earth, did the Enclave decide to do anything in particular to the Feral Dog Packs wandering the wastes?
Plenty of them no longer have fur and attack and eat people, but can be tamed
Did the Enclave decide that their source of household pets from now on should be genetically engineered as the horrible mutations of the wasteland have rendered them too dangerous and aesthetically unappealing?
Since the Enclave went and killed off the many threats to the Wasteland’s restoration
Gotta ask this, since I remembered reading Foundation & Earth, did the Enclave decide to do anything in particular to the Feral Dog Packs wandering the wastes?
Plenty of them no longer have fur and attack and eat people, but can be tamed
Did the Enclave decide that their source of household pets from now on should be genetically engineered as the horrible mutations of the wasteland have rendered them too dangerous and aesthetically unappealing?
ForeverShogo
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I imagine they'd mostly be annihilated. More normal dogs still exist. So I could easily see them culling the really fucked up looking dogs and using selective breeding for the more normal looking dogs.