Fallout The Eagle And The Bear [Fallout AU]

[Navarro]

It really is true. With the return of civilisation they lose their relevance.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

It really is true. With the return of civilisation they lose their relevance.

Plus, at this point, I think lots of people are really unlikely to give up their advanced technologies just because it will “destroy themselves”

Hell, may as well point out to the Brotherhood they’re working with the USA’s ancient enemy, China

Who REALLY caused the most damage and aren’t so innocent or wrecking economies themselves

 

[SuperHeavy]

Not the Brotherhood. As for the NCR ... Mwahahaha!

*taps head* Your soldiers can't lose morale if the cloning facilities hardwired it into them.

 

[Crow gotta eat]

While their weapons were certainly not as effective in these conditions as the NCR soldiers’, the Enclave men were certainly no cowards, and were even advancing in the face of the NCR men’s rifle fire, against all odds. Royez was confused – where’s the pureblood leader?, he thought. There has to be a guy in power armour accompanying them, to make sure they don-

... Well isn't that ironic. Because the Texans were thinking nearly the same thing when they were "allied" with the NCR.

He kept breathing tensely. The Californians were at their backs – a mixed unit of light infantry and power-armoured troops. And they would not dream about letting the Texan men surrender so easily.

 

[Navarro]

So how damage resistant is the new American power armor if you don't mind me asking?

There are ... unique factors in play with it.

Anyway, the BoS' go-to specialised ground attack aircraft (with a fighter variant);

Hellion

The Hellion is a powerful, heavily-armed aircraft, located in Buena Vista. It is a prototype weapon which was not finished before the war, so its completion is one of the objectives given to the Calculator after the activation of its pacification protocol. The Calculator was meant to ensure the...

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[Navarro]

Plus, at this point, I think lots of people are really unlikely to give up their advanced technologies just because it will “destroy themselves”

Hell, may as well point out to the Brotherhood they’re working with the USA’s ancient enemy, China

Who REALLY caused the most damage and aren’t so innocent or wrecking economies themselves

Hahaha. When you see the PRC it'll be downright demented.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Hahaha. When you see the PRC it'll be downright demented.

I assume that the NCR’s getting new tech full of stuff though which they can be spied with

 

[lloyd007]

I'm a little let down that the US despite knowing an attack was coming at some point and no doubt seeing a build up of 100,000s of troops is still dropping this quickly. I would have thought they would have put forth every effort to keep the fighting away from the cities.

Honestly, that's pretty realistic since there was definitely a sense of overprepared'ness leading to complacency. The real test will be how the E-USA responds now that they know for certain that the offensive is on in earnest.

It really is true. With the return of civilisation they lose their relevance.

I wouldn't put the BoS into a corner like that though considering they've held their territory this long, they'd certainly develop differently from the NCR and E-USA coming from a very strong military / bunker mentality. But I'd think they'd find their own way in developing a government that was more than just basically being techno-raiders / 'Adventuring Guilds' especially with the defeats dealt to them by the E-USA (and subsequently preventing all the wastelanders in their claimed territory near the E-USA from either leaving for the E-USA or revolting and declaring for the E-USA) and having to deal with the wily NCR without being absorbed / puppeted as the NCR did to Texas and apparently a lot of the tribes / states in former Mexico.

The strong egalitarian / meritocratic values the BoS has within its ranks can easily be 'scaled up' when iirc you've stated they have a population of 'only' 15 million spread out over such a vast territory while also having the same commercial fusion / fission tech base. They also have the some of the strongest latent MAD SCIENCE leanings in their training and education leading ALL their political leadership also being superlative engineers / mechanics at the very least.

 

[ForeverShogo]

Surprised by the USA's seemingly total lack of robots to make up for numbers.

NCR advancing through the woods and getting ambushed by next generation Assaultrons. Or a swarm of Gen 2 Synths built with duraframe components smashing into their lines.

 

[Argent]

I'm wondering, what is The Brotherhood of Steel hoping to accomplish here? Not just with this war but in general. If their goal was to keep other groups from having advanced technology, then they have already failed. Even if it were mathematically possible to conquer the Enclave and NCR, which they would have to do to accomplish their goal, then there would still be places in other parts of the world like China and Europe that have advanced tech. So is the Brotherhood in denial about all this, or do they have some other plan that hasn't been stated?

It depends on the chapter and the time.

The Midwest Brotherhood in Tatics and the previous stories has strayed from the original Brotherhood ideals. They where more of a feudal kingdom and worked on expanding and conquering territories.

While they still restrict tech and treat the average citzen poorly but they are not like the Vegas or main chapter that wants to stay in their bunker and hord all the tech.

So the Bortherhood is allies with the NCR because they see them as the bigger threat. Not to mention I think they hope for post war map to be in their favor for gaining future power and leverage over the NCR.

 

[Navarro]

Decided to do a detailed techfile on the M-75 Custer after seeing @Aaron Fox 's near-future tank in the tank image thread. Visual-wise it strongly resembles an Abrams, with a more science-fictional looking main gun and the MGs replaced with gatling lasers.

M-75E Custer MBT

Its development having started in the mid-2280s, the M-75 Custer – once made by state-run weapons factories, now by General Atomics in Detroit, with smaller factories in Pittsburgh and Boston – is now on its fifth upgrade package. The latest improvements just starting to be rolled out include an active laser defence system which will operate autonomously to help protect the tank against projectiles, serving to complement its electromagnetic-reactive-armour tiles. In addition, plans are underway to add a fourth crewman to the tank’s crew whose role it will be to fire the gatling laser located on top of the turret, which will no longer be remotely controlled by the main gunner.

Apart from this, the M-75 Custer remains celebrated as a triumph of American military engineering. Its 5MW fusion plant and duraframe/ceramic composite construction enable it to move at a maximum off-road speed of 75kph, 90kph on-road. However this is noted to cause damage to the tracks and runs a risk of injuring the crew. The Custer’s most celebrated weapon is its main gun, the M-82 Fusion Cannon, however its gatling lasers – one located on the turret, the other co-axially mounted – are also noteworthy. Recent developments at CIT have enabled General Atomics to create a rapid-fire charging-barrel design, compromising between heavy and light gatling lasers; retaining 50% of the light gatling laser’s ROF while firing at the intensity (over 400% that of a light gatling laser) of a heavy one. The result, put bluntly, has been devastating in field tests – especially given Project Sapphire’s enhancements to US laser weapons – and these new weapons are part of the M75E upgrade package to be rolled out in a few months.

Improvements to the main gun enabling it to switch firing modes between its traditional "fusion beam" mode and a new "pulsed mode" which trades off firepower for RoF are in final testing stages – if successful they will be added to the M-75E upgrade package sometime in 2332.

For cooling purposes (with appropriate maintenance, the fusion powerplant can run near-continuously for up to 2,500 years) the standard medium is now liquid nitrogen, though as it was designed when such products were not nearly so widely-available it can run on water when necessary – though at a generally reduced capability as the powerplant cannot reach its full potential with an inferior cooling medium, and requiring a larger amount of coolant in total due to lower cooling efficiency.

 

[Aaron Fox]

Decided to do a detailed techfile on the M-75 Custer after seeing @Aaron Fox 's near-future tank in the tank image thread. Visual-wise it strongly resembles an Abrams, with a more science-fictional looking main gun and the MGs replaced with gatling lasers.

M-75E Custer MBT

Its development having started in the mid-2280s, the M-75 Custer – once made by state-run weapons factories, now by General Atomics in Detroit, with smaller factories in Pittsburgh and Boston – is now on its fifth upgrade package. The latest improvements just starting to be rolled out include an active laser defence system which will operate autonomously to help protect the tank against projectiles. In addition, plans are underway to add a fourth crewman to the tank’s crew whose role it will be to fire the gatling laser located on top of the turret, which will no longer be remotely controlled by the main gunner.

Apart from this, the M-75 Custer remains celebrated as a triumph of American military engineering. Its 5MW fusion plant and duraframe/ceramic composite construction enable it to move at a maximum off-road speed of 75kph, 90kph on-road. However this is noted to cause damage to the tracks and runs a risk of injuring the crew. The Custer’s most celebrated weapon is its main gun, the M-82 Fusion Cannon, however its gatling lasers – one located on the turret, the other co-axially mounted – are also noteworthy. Recent developments at CIT have enabled General Atomics to create a rapid-fire charging-barrel design, compromising between heavy and light gatling lasers; retaining 50% of the light gatling laser’s ROF while firing at the intensity (over 400% that of a light gatling laser) of a heavy one. The result, put bluntly, has been devastating in field tests – especially given Project Sapphire’s enhancements to US laser weapons – and these new weapons are part of the M75E upgrade package to be rolled out in a few months.

Improvements to the main gun enabling it to switch firing modes between its traditional "fusion beam" mode and a new "pulsed mode" which trades off firepower for RoF are in final testing stages – if successful they will be added to the M-75E upgrade package sometime in 2333.

For cooling purposes (with appropriate maintenance, the fusion powerplant can run near-continuously for up to 2,500 years) the standard medium is now liquid nitrogen, though as it was designed when such products were not nearly so widely-available it can run on water when necessary – though at a generally reduced capability as the powerplant cannot reach its full potential with an inferior cooling medium, and requiring a larger amount of coolant in total due to lower cooling efficiency.

First thing's first, it isn't a 'near future' tank, it's a far-future tank (the setting kind of had many bumps in technological advancement thanks to the constant warfare and all, then there is the fact that composite armor doesn't like curves all that much...).

Second thing, this bad boy sound like a few ideas I had for my Fallout fics...

 

[Navarro]

First thing's first, it isn't a 'near future' tank, it's a far-future tank (the setting kind of had many bumps in technological advancement thanks to the constant warfare and all, then there is the fact that composite armor doesn't like curves all that much...).

Thanks for the correction.

Second thing, this bad boy sound like a few ideas I had for my Fallout fics...

Do tell. I don't think you had the idea of a main gun that basically shoots nuclear fusion reactions ...

 

[Aaron Fox]

Thanks for the correction.

That's alright, it looks near future anyway because composite armor isn't the

Do tell. I don't think you had the idea of a main gun that basically shoots nuclear fusion reactions ...

No, I thought a super-sized gauss rifle would be better (because all you need is something ferromagnetic surrounding the core and you're good), that or a laser cannon depending on the role (like a Luchs-style recon car having a laser cannon).

 

[SuperHeavy]

In addition, plans are underway to add a fourth crewman to the tank’s crew whose role it will be to fire the gatling laser located on top of the turret, which will no longer be remotely controlled by the main gunner.

You know a forth crewman would also be useful as an sensor and radio operator, mainly to free up the commander to better manage tank and battlefield response.

 

[Aaron Fox]

If you want some ideas, try these on for size:

Sure, they're old commissions, but they should work. The top is a foam wheeled heavy scout car while the bottom is a hover APC inspired by the Tau's Hammerfish and its various models. Both are armed with laser cannons and battling lasers, with the scout car having access to a .50cal HMG just to be sure.

 

[Navarro]

East Asia in 2331, from the map:

 

[Navarro]

The complete world map.

 

[AspblastUSA]

Mmm, look at that tasty grossgermaniums. Also with respect to South America I’m surprised at how familiar it is. Either Chile or Argentina had a really good century but didn’t do much to Brazil? Is that a case of Brazil claiming its borders for historical reasons and nobody wanting to actually contest the now also radioactive Amazon?

Sidenote I’m surprised NZ is a wasteland, I’d had them pegged for a regional power because who the hell would waste a few nukes on the Kiwis?

 

[Navarro]

Mmm, look at that tasty grossgermaniums. Also with respect to South America I’m surprised at how familiar it is. Either Chile or Argentina had a really good century but didn’t do much to Brazil? Is that a case of Brazil claiming its borders for historical reasons and nobody wanting to actually contest the now also radioactive Amazon?

The government of the Second Brazilian Empire has as much authority over the Amazon as Brazil has always had - which is to say very little. But nobody has bothered contesting them over it, largely because of geographical issues.

Sidenote I’m surprised NZ is a wasteland, I’d had them pegged for a regional power because who the hell would waste a few nukes on the Kiwis?

No nukes, but general governmental/civilisational collapse owing to reliance on food imports. Generally the southern hemisphere has less *ahem* fallout than the northern due to wind patterns.