Russia-Ukraine War Politics Thread Mk. 2
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Take the kids leave the parents in Russia. Idiots. Their grandparents fled Russia because they were religious pacifists and the State and Church were persecuting them for not supporting the wars. This moron ignored his family history and had to learn the hard way. Now there is a risk Russia arrests them for "Defaming Russia."
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I just hope he learned more modern tactics and strategy. Zulushny is loved by Ukrainians because he abandoned Soviet Doctrine and emphasized conserving his soldiers and adopting Western equipment and training. If Syrsky falls back on his Soviet Army background Ukraine will loose fast. Human Wave tactics belong in a museum with the muskets
Human wave tactics only work when you have human waves.
Russia out numbers Ukrainians 3 to 1 they can get away with that shit at least for awhile. Ukraine cant.
Bigking321
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The Russian Civil War stuff is a fig leaf justification at best.
In reality Nato was getting way to close, freaking Russia out and causing them to lash out to ensure they still have some strategic buffer room.
Then the west decided this was the perfect time to try and bleed Russia dry through a proxy war. It seems to have worked well in that regard.
Unfortunately it seems to have driven Russia straight into a alliance with China. So... not sure if this was the best way to go.
In reality Nato was getting way to close, freaking Russia out and causing them to lash out to ensure they still have some strategic buffer room.
Then the west decided this was the perfect time to try and bleed Russia dry through a proxy war. It seems to have worked well in that regard.
Unfortunately it seems to have driven Russia straight into a alliance with China. So... not sure if this was the best way to go.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
The Ukrainians are a Slavic people but, as evidenced by how the Czechs and the Poles are hardly the same (and they are neighbours) they sure as shit aren’t Russian.
Putin is rather struggling to get his head around that.
That’s still more than a smidgeon of Russian propaganda. Moscow was simply a horrible overlord and its former vassals all but fled into American arms the very first chance they got.
If Eastern Europe was not in NATO, Russia would have tried to conquer them again.
Bigking321
Well-known member
Eh... sure. True enough.
I'm of the belief that this is a very grey war where both sides are bad but have their justifications. I don't particularly want to get involved in it.
As opposed to the Gaza thing where there is absolutely a good and bad side. Or a hypothetical Chinese attack on Taiwan.
That's not even true. Back in like 2008 they were talking about trying to convince Ukraine to be more pro-US on live TV.
And making jokes about it.
It's not the 19th century. "Strategic buffer room" is not worth much if your army is shit and theoretically doesn't even get to fight over it. Especially if it's not mountains or ocean.
And that's if they cared about the buffer room remaining that to begin with.
As the case of Belarus shows, they never did, and Russian idea of "neutrality" has quite a different meaning than Swiss one - it means getting closer with Russia, but not anyone else.
The buffer room was a ruse, it was always "places we are interested in reconquista of because they were always ours to begin with, but for now we pretend they are sovereign countries so dumb westerners don't get mad, though we can't let them do anything that will cockblock us from that reconquista, with plausible but ultimately made up points about our fears and insecurities, we are not afraid and we want our empire back, but we will act out any role we need and say any lie they will believe to help make it happen".
Mostly true,but Łukaszenka tried to remain independent and at least till 2017 contacted Poland about that.Sadly,our eunuchs supported some weak opposition there,who not only hate Poland,but also is too weak to do anything.
As a result,Belarus is now Moscov vassal.
AnimalNoodles
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Where do people get this stupid idea Russians are using human waves? Both sides use a steady rain of small units supported by a few vehicles.
AnimalNoodles
Well-known member
No,they slowly take over their state and made Belarus part of kgbstan.
Which is bad thing for average belaryssian - under Łukashenko they lived as poor people,but state provided things to live.
In kgbstan state provide notching,and take everytching.
That is why Łukaszenko tried to made deal with Poland,and still is making deals with China - so they schield him from Putin.
And why we do not have gun? PIS had 8 years to made us strong,and wasted that opportunity.
Now,we have Tusk.The same Tusk,who destroyed polish army after 2007.
We do not have a gun to his head because even if we had a gun, our allies would not let us put it up to his head out of fear of escalation with Russia. PiS was never going to make a credible threat of "Special Military Operation in Belarus" to him even if one assumes we had the means.
But Russians are in a different position there. They even have their troops already placed there, which we know makes the whole operation much easier, like in Crimea.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
Yeah, no; just because I know that endless NATO expansion had a hand in causing this conflict, doesn't mean I'm going to buy those claims. For one thing, trying to assert that it's a "Russian civil war" just exposes that he never thought of Ukraine as a sovereign nation; and as for claims of wanting to "de-Nazify" Ukraine, nobody, even the people who know that there are elements in Ukraine that hold the Nazis in high regard, buys that excuse.
Putin invaded because he wanted to take back control over the country that he once held sway over through the guy who was overthrown in a coup, and he did it when he did because he believed that America and Europe were finally too weak to stop him; not realizing that his forces were far weaker that his advisors had led him to believe.