Russia-Ukraine War Politics Thread Mk. 2

strunkenwhite said:
Ah yes, just like that time the US invaded Canada in the late 1930s.
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Unlike then, however, Germany has announced forward deployments into the Baltics and NATO just announced a 90,000 personnel exercise to deter the scenario. War Plan Red was a contingency plan, this leaked plan is what NATO has started to actively prepare for.

strunkenwhite said:
What exactly are you considering a "high possibility"? Given that you're basing this on "IF the US pulls all aid, it's NOT IMPOSSIBLE for Russia to conquer Ukraine".
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That Ukrainians announced they were cutting operational tempo in early December because of supply shortages, and this has grown worse since then since the U.S. has yet to pass a new major aid package with ammo:

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strunkenwhite said:
Uh, doesn't that source you cite explicitly say Poland claims that the loan falling through won't stop it from completing the arms deal? You have the right to be skeptical about that, but it's not right to say Poland is canceling its military expansion plans based on that. If I missed something in there I'm happy to be corrected.
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It quotes Tusk as saying he hopes they can maintain the deals, but their actual means of paying for it no longer exist and his own parliament speaker has indicated cancelling the deals. I don't have the source handy, but Polish media also reported their plans to increase the military's size in manpower have also been cancelled.
 
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History Learner said:
They literally blew up ammo dumps in Czechia and Bulgaria, fly missiles through Polish airspace and brought down American Drones. NATO is not going to war over this.
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What?
They brought down a US drone in the Black Sea in international waters and it is not something we will go to war over since it wasn't even a Global Hawk. Anything it had was wiped.
First time I am hearing about the Czechia ammo dumps being blown.
If it was by sabatours then that is technically not able to be blamed on Russia as pro Russian sentiment can cause that not the Russians themselves.
Same with Bulgaria.
And they launch missiles over polish airspace? When?

And I am just referring to the fact that it would solely depend on how the jammer was being used.
To obfuscate something going on could be one, like moving troops, or it was an accident and they hurt themselves as well
 
Zachowon said:
What?
They brought down a US drone in the Black Sea in international waters and it is not something we will go to war over since it wasn't even a Global Hawk. Anything it had was wiped.
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Okay? The Russians still brought it down.

Zachowon said:
First time I am hearing about the Czechia ammo dumps being blown.
If it was by sabatours then that is technically not able to be blamed on Russia as pro Russian sentiment can cause that not the Russians themselves.
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Zachowon said:
Same with Bulgaria.
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Zachowon said:
And they launch missiles over polish airspace? When?
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Zachowon said:
And I am just referring to the fact that it would solely depend on how the jammer was being used.
To obfuscate something going on could be one, like moving troops, or it was an accident and they hurt themselves as well
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It was solely over Poland, if it was moving troops that's an odd place to do it and if it was an accident, Kaliningrad would've been equally effected, but it wasn't:

 
Bacle said:


Dang, turns out the CCP volunteers fighting for Russia against Ukraine don't like the Russia style of fighting or supply operations.
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I am so tempted to make a dummy account to taunt these idiots. I love when the CCP zealots finally break and see everything they believed is a lie. The tears and heartbreak of Communists sustain and envigorate me.
 
Terthna said:
He was probably expecting that his time there would be spent consuming Russian propaganda, and rounding up helpless civilians; not actually risking his life, or having to suffer any sort of hardship.
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there have been a lot of people like him through out history who joined a fight and realized that shit is real. Much the same thing happened with americans who volunteered early for the world wars, or some of the volunteers from western countries fighting for the Ukrainian side.

War in general is pretty tragic and sad.

I would have honestly preferred this war not have happened at all.
 
Cherico said:
there have been a lot of people like him through out history who joined a fight and realized that shit is real. Much the same thing happened with americans who volunteered early for the world wars, or some of the volunteers from western countries fighting for the Ukrainian side.

War in general is pretty tragic and sad.

I would have honestly preferred this war not have happened at all.
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Any sane person would prefer to avoid war.

It's part of why effective deterrence is so important. Bullies, whether they're acting at a playground or on the international stage, will throw their weight around and cause destruction if they don't think anyone has the guts to make them stop using force, with force of their own.
 
Bacle said:


A Russia that lived through WW2 says she'd tell Putin to go fuck himself, and that Russia's problems are all because the youth are too afraid to do the same and fight back against Putin.
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The russian's were too afraid to fight against stalin and they backed Lenin that's how they got into this mess in the first place.
 


Putin keeps signalling he's serious about taking the 'Russia wants Alaska back' idea from meme to possible policy in his domestic rhetoric.

Before 2022 I would have never thought the Russian people could be stupid enough to actually think that's a viable idea to make policy on, but here we are.

If Putin's stupid enough to actually try to gin the Russian people up for a go at 'reclaiming Alaska' via the same greyzone tactics and 'little green men' bullshit, maybe we've underestimated how retarded Putin's Russia is willing to go.
 
Bacle said:


Putin keeps signalling he's serious about taking the 'Russia wants Alaska back' idea from meme to possible policy in his domestic rhetoric.

Before 2022 I would have never thought the Russian people could be stupid enough to actually think that's a viable idea to make policy on, but here we are.

If Putin's stupid enough to actually try to gin the Russian people up for a go at 'reclaiming Alaska' via the same greyzone tactics and 'little green men' bullshit, maybe we've underestimated how retarded Putin's Russia is willing to go.
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Russia's having problems taking on Ukraine, their navy has been pretty horrible for most of its history (because land power) and they simply do not have the logistics or capability to take alaska. But if they want to try well Russia took a whole lot of land from China and I'm sure they want that shit back.
 
Bacle said:


Putin keeps signalling he's serious about taking the 'Russia wants Alaska back' idea from meme to possible policy in his domestic rhetoric.

Before 2022 I would have never thought the Russian people could be stupid enough to actually think that's a viable idea to make policy on, but here we are.

If Putin's stupid enough to actually try to gin the Russian people up for a go at 'reclaiming Alaska' via the same greyzone tactics and 'little green men' bullshit, maybe we've underestimated how retarded Putin's Russia is willing to go.
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Even more hilarious are all the replies that say Trump and the Republicans would sell or give up Alaska in the name of peace. :sneaky:
 
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