mrttao
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Wouldn't it make more sense to do things the other way around?
That is, forbid your citizens from visiting russia to deny russia the tourism income?
Ah, yes, lying about what the person above is saying, putting all sorts of words in their mouths.> If you don't agree with me robbing you, you are an evil person. also you are petty. and you don't even care about being robbed, you are just angry that your stupid evil opinions are not as popular as me robbing you
retard spews his retarded take on things. news at 11.
Hard to imagine being that full of yourself to think you can make such an over simplistic psychoanalysis of hundreds of millions of people, people who are in opposing political views, except on this one issue. and surely the fact they agree on "stop taking my fucking money" means that they are all just petty, and that is the only reason they want you to stop stealing their money.
No, this denies Kremlin agents and accessories from being able to vacation in Europe via car, and makes it harder for Russia to evade sanctions via smuggling.Wouldn't it make more sense to do things the other way around?
That is, forbid your citizens from visiting russia to deny russia the tourism income?
> reeeee. he didn't say the word evil, he just said you want a bunch of people to die out of small minded pettiness and envyAh, yes, lying about what the person above is saying, putting all sorts of words in their mouths.
No where in it did the guy say people were evil for having those pet issues, only mistaken the situation as a 'Help Ukraine or XYZ domestically, no 'both' option' scenario.
Also, the idea that Ukraine is any significant chunk of the budget, compared to things like corn syrup or oil industry subsidies is fucking hilarious. And a lot of the aid money going to Ukraine ends up coming back when Ukraine is purchasing aid and equipment.
The penny-pinching on Ukraine, vs any other issue for the Right, shows how many are just Right Wing NPCs.
Of course you know all this, but all those points undercut you narrative of it being 'Ukraine aid vs XYZ'.
Alright that is sensible.No, this denies Kremlin agents and accessories from being able to vacation in Europe via car, and makes it harder for Russia to evade sanctions via smuggling.
I'm pretty sure the Ukrainian wetworks groups and the countless rebel and independence groups in Russia are thanking their God/Gods/Spirits for the bounty they have received.Oh I hope someone saved it
And, that is what is happening.> reeeee. he didn't say the word evil, he just said you want a bunch of people to die out of small minded pettiness and envy
All I can do is facepalm here.
I told you again and again why I want to pull support.And, that is what is happening.
Small minded and short sighted views of 'support Ukraine or XYZ domestic issue' are what amounts to wanting to throw Ukraine under the bus simply because their pet issues aren't getting the same support.
I guess also buying the Russia nuke threats is another reason to want to pull support, but that also runs right into the fact Putin's nuclear command chain requires 3 people to OK nuke usage, not 2 like the US, and the other two code holders besides Putin are not interested in nuclear suicide.
I think all foreign aid programs should become voluntary. make a website calledAlso, my argument for anti aid is not "putin is an angel". it is "get your hands out of my fucking wallet"
Yes, I know you've outed yourself as part of the short-sighted penny-pincher variety/faction.I told you again and again why I want to pull support.
I think all foreign aid programs should become voluntary. make a website called
foreignaid.gov
which lists a variety of countries the govt wants to send aid to, what this aid is going to buy, and let any american citizen can voluntarily donate to it as much as he wants.
I don't know what reason the other 55% of the pop that want to pull support has, as I am not a psyker and don't claim to be one.
But if I had to guess, they probably share my opinion rather than your "here is my psychoanalysis of my sworn enemies" bullshit that you are spewing.
> outed yourselfYes, I know you've outed yourself as part of the short-sighted penny-pincher variety/faction.
If wanting the money printer to stop going Brr and stop destroying the American economy is being a penny picher you got some strange definitions. we can't handle the bidenomics. we keep this up? we are gonna be in for some worse times and the consolation prize is going to be that we ruined Russia's stores of cold war era equipment. that is gonna be a cold comfort when the inevitable economic consequences hit us.Yes, I know you've outed yourself as part of the short-sighted penny-pincher variety/faction.
You still want to cling to the outdated economic model that forgets/ignores 'Federal Reserve Money Printer Go Brr' is the reality we live in, and the household finances and national scale finances are not the same thing and do not operate the same way.
No, I just understand how modern economic and international finances work, despite the delusions of some people that national and international scale finance works the same way the household's do.> outed yourself
you are a literal bandit robbing people and then trying to shame them into bending over and taking it.
Ah yes, the 'why don't you go fight in Ukraine if you support them so much' argument, why am I not surprised you trotted this out.edit:
actually, I am curious now.
how much money did you personally donate to ukraine voluntarily from your own pocket?
have you considered travelling over there to volunteer as a foreign soldier for ukraine?
Money printer will never stop going brr, regardless of Ukraine or any other issue, unless we switch back to the gold standard.If wanting the money printer to stop going Brr and stop destroying the American economy is being a penny picher you got some strange definitions. we can't handle the bidenomics. we keep this up? we are gonna be in for some worse times and the consolation prize is going to be that we ruined Russia's stores of cold war era equipment. that is gonna be a cold comfort when the inevitable economic consequences hit us.
> I have dependents. Of course I can not personally give anything myselfAh yes, the 'why don't you go fight in Ukraine if you support them so much' argument, why am I not surprised you trotted this out.
Well, for your information I would like to go to Ukraine to fight and likely die, but I have a senior citizen father who there is no one else to take care of, and I owe it to my late mother to be there for him.
Then the system will never get fixed and we will slowly degrade and rot away. in which case throwing money away in Ukraine is pointless because it will not slow down the issues and is unlikely to buy more time for the US to be functional.Money printer will never stop going brr, regardless of Ukraine or any other issue, unless we switch back to the gold standard.
Many people here still hold to the old economic paradigm that has been dead since Reagan took us off the gold-standard and made the USD a fiat currency, because they still have the belief that national and household finances work the same way, when they don't and never have.
I mean I get it, the GOP has been lying to it's base about how our economy works under fiat currency for decades, so the illusions are deep and hard to cast off.
No, the money going into Ukraine is not pointless; it saves lives there, and here, by making it less likely NATO and Russia have to directly duke it out. A good chunk of it also ends up back in the US when Ukraine buys aid and equipment, so it's not like the money is 'lost' from the US monetary system.Then the system will never get fixed and we will slowly degrade and rot away. in which case throwing money away in Ukraine is pointless because it will not slow down the issues and is unlikely to buy more time for the US to be functional.
Huh, I had thought that the gold standard was dumped under Reaganomics, not that it was dumped under Nixon and Reagan just never went back.also it was Nixon who took us off the gold standard. Reagan did not reimplement the gold standard though.
No, letting Russia get what they want out of biting off chunks of Ukraine only makes the US less a safe, and increases the likelihood Russia feels comfortable enough to go after the Baltic's or other NATO members if Ukraine is thrown under the bus.Another argument could be that foreign aid in Ukraine is actively worse than just disposing of the money or handing it out to politically connected cronies without even the fig leaf of embezzlement, insofar as it makes our situation worse. The current neoconservative US policy appears to be to deliberately attempt to back Russia into a corner where their only hope of regime survival is to use nuclear weapons. From my perspective as an average American civilian, it would seem that the better they do, the more danger we're in, and it'd have been preferable for Russia to have actually managed the three-day "special operation" invasion they planned and present their victory as a fait accompli over the current status quo.
That's functionally the same thing since he's the one controlling their nuclear arsenal.It's just Putin who is in a corner