Not something I know offhand.
Russia-Ukraine War Politics Thread Mk. 2
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Ahh just wondering
LordsFire
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I know what culture is genius, and am aware of both the visible and invisible parts of culture. There is a reason the iceburg eample is given. With the obvious points of food, and dress being the most skin deep parts of culture, yet deeper core parts include the religion of a people and their belief, ways of thought, and morals.
Okay, so you claim to know what culture is. Let's use your Canadian/US hypothetical scenario.
What is different between the US and Canada in the things 'underwater' on your iceberg image here?
(also, it cracks me up how incredibly redundant that is. Values, ethics, beliefs, morals, philosophy, meaning of life, each as separate things? Customs & traditions as separate things? Were they straining for word count on an image?)
If you approve of burning down other peoples places of worship dont come bitching to me when you and yours get burned down in retaliation.
Blasterbot
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Starbucks may be overpriced for what it is but I don't want it burned down man.
With few exceptions,all tribes who lived on Atlantic coast was wiped out - and they were mostly settled people living in sometimes fortified villages.
Pacyfic coast was better,althought even there almost all of 0,5M of Caliphornia indians were wiped out.
But - russians many times did the same to local people ,so they were no better.
Blasterbot
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Just like in South and Central Americas.Most indians who died there even do not saw spaniards.Certainly do not fought them.
Yet,there are still mostly indians and metises there.
Blasterbot
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I've got to find the studies again, but there were several that looked at Native American population and how it collapsed prior to the Colonization by Europe. They estimated anywhere from a 75-90% decrease in Native American population from a plague.
who knows what America looks like if that hadn't hapened.
who knows what America looks like if that hadn't hapened.
Eh, in some locations/tribes it may have ht those levels, but overall the amount killed by plague without ever seeing a white person is something that no one can truly know.
I would say that it may be instructive to look at what tribes survived in what numbers until direct contact with Europeans, and do some geographic backtracking to known contacts between Europeans and natives.
However, I think it also bears remembering that the natives made war on each other enough before the white man ever hit these shores, and we need to make sure combat fatalities are not mixed into the general plague casualties unless they were actively carrying the bug while in combat.
Also, the main reason advanced civs in the America's never really took root, and metal working was mostly done on 'native ores' that didn't need much smelting and could be cold-worked to a degree (gold, copper, platinum have all been found), was because of a feature the US still contends with to this day: Tornado Alley.
When God's erasure feature is a frequent visitor and you don't have modern insurance companies to pick up the tab and first responders to do the rescue work, hard for civilization to set down in one place for a long time without getting the logs ripped out from under them.
This is also why the pueblo and mesa people's, and a lot of the tribes west of the Rockies in general, could actually stay put in semi-permanent structures, so long as they had a water supply and food sources nearby; very few tornado's down in those parts, mostly just blizzards and flash-floods, maybe the odd volcano.
Typhonis
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There is also the lack of large domesticable animals. One of the few animals in the Americas, to be domesticated, was the llama. Otherwise you had the dog.
The Med lucked out in that they had not only dogs but horses, sheep, ox, bison, and cows. Not only were these large animals capable of transport and work but were also a food source. Cats...domesticated themselves when they started working with North African humans.
Russian general admits Ukraine just a "stepping stone" to invade Europe
Ukraine "is only the beginning," Colonel-General Andrey Mordvichev warned in a recent interview.
www.newsweek.com
A Russian general just admitted what everyone already knew; the invasion of Ukraine was just supposed to be a stepping stone to a further invasion of Europe.
For those who think any 'deal' will actually end Russia's agression, rather than just giving Russia time to rearm and rebuild for a larger push at Europe if they are able to strong-arm Ukraine into giving up land.
Exactly. To further this several groups, Pinoys for example, fall into many groups because of how the Philippines were colonized.
1) The main group we fall under is Asian, specifically Southeast Asia.
2) Polynesian because ours was among the first islands they colonized when they left mainland Asia.
3) Malay who followed after the Polynesians
4) Latino/Hispanic from the three hundred years of Spanish occupation.
Combine that with the thousands of tribes and hundreds of cultures created by 7500 Islands and it creates a lot of potential flash points. The Ifugao for example are largely unchanged and self sufficient in their highland valleys. The difference is that the warriors don't collect heads anymore, focusing on sports to settle tribal conflicts. They're armed with anything from hand made rifles, old Spanish infantry rifles to late Cold War assault rifles and M-60s. And a parang or pantabas/panabas as a sidearm and general tool
They had advanced bronzeworks and had very early iron. The Maya, Inca, Azteca, Tarrasca and Tlaxcala were known for it and their bronze was prized by the Conquistadors and Spain in general. Unfortunately the population collapse brought on by direct contact killed off a lot of the artisan classes and priests that specialized in metallurgy. The knowledge was kept by specific castes and hidden in code, metaphors and sayings understandable only to a person raised in the culture. Of those three major groups only the Maya and Azteca had writing we can understand. The Inca had pictoglyphs and intricate quipo knotwork to record information. When the Lorekeepers and their apprentices were killed all that knowledge was lost. Every Inca Lorekeeper line created their own secret languages and codes passed from Master to Apprentice.
There were some Pueblo and Dene tribes who learned bronzeworks from either the Azteca or Tarrasca
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mrttao
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Just watched the video. He says explicitly according to the videoRussian general admits Ukraine just a "stepping stone" to invade Europe
Ukraine "is only the beginning," Colonel-General Andrey Mordvichev warned in a recent interview.
A Russian general just admitted what everyone already knew; the invasion of Ukraine was just supposed to be a stepping stone to a further invasion of Europe.
For those who think any 'deal' will actually end Russia's agression, rather than just giving Russia time to rearm and rebuild for a larger push at Europe if they are able to strong-arm Ukraine into giving up land.
"I think that all kinds of ideologists and instigators of this war will not stop here".
Which the article is trying to spin this as "this general (which putin just promoted) is a warmonger who wants to conquer all of europe"
instead of "this general (who putin just promoted) believes that the idealogues who started this war won't stop with it"
Huh, well that's neat; had not heard of bronze being found in the America's much.
Losing the artisans/priests who understood it also explains why we don't hear much about it; it effectively ended as soon as the European got there, and was much less noteworthy than the massive amounts of gold.
Putin is the instigator of this war, and views Ukraine as a stepping stone; this is just confirming it in polite terms.
Yeah. One of the wealthiest Spanish settlers in Manila showed off his family wealth and status with a collection of intricate Azteca and Inca bronzes in his villa. Those were lost in one of the frequent uprisings. The rebels melted them along with the church bells to make canon.
mrttao
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Russia's position is that NATO are the instigators of the war.
Seeing as this is an official interview, it is obviously going to go with their official narrative. thus he is obviously referring to NATO as the ones who won't stop.