Putin has been clear since Gorbachev put him in power that he'd restore the Soviet Union and the Russian Imperial Sphere. Not once in 32 years of power has Putin backed down from that rhetoric at home. Abroad Putin deflects or obfuscate but has never backed down. Only an idiot would take this interview as anything other than Russian intentions projected on the West. Eastern Europe survives as independent states because they joined NATO. The moment the Soviets left the Natives decided NEVER AGAIN!
Russia-Ukraine War Politics Thread Mk. 2
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Indeed.No matter what USA leftist retards do,USA would be still better then Moscov.
mrttao
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Do you have some videos of him actually doing so? I see this claim often, but for some reason those who make it never bother to back it up.
Instead every actual interview or speech I have seen with putin himself has him talking about the existential threat to russia that the globalists pose.
Note that I am not calling you a liar, but it is a genuine question. I would like to see some speech by putin where he says that.
What about him talking about soviet fall as tragedy?
Which,by the way,mean that he is not smart - if soviets survived,he would remain colonel in East Germany - becouse that was place where KGB send their idiots.
mrttao
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Russia has been getting all the airplane parts it needs from countries that are not participating in the sanctions and are not themselves being sanctioned for ignoring the sanctions (because there are too many of them).
This was most likely just malfeasance (likely someone pocketing the money that should have went to maintainence) or less likely a genuine accident (they do happen).
And there is a reason for why no one who can avoid it does it. It also gets rid of all the checks for ensuring the parts are of proper quality, and you don't want to fly modern airplanes filled with parts of unknown origin and questionable quality, because this is exactly what happens if you do.
After all, if you have a 10,000$ part from a 737 left over from repair in some western plane because it was closing in on the end of its warranty, why scrap it, if you can sell it to Russians no questions asked for 20,000$? The whole cumbersome airplane part supervision system in the West exists, among other things, to prevent such shenanigans.
This system is extremely strict, some would say suboptimally so, but it's also a large contributor to the safety record of modern passenger aviation.
The way Russians procure parts, on the other hand, has no way to stop it, and those doing it have obvious financial incentive to cheat them. Now Russians have a part, and they don't know if it has 1000, 500, or 50 hours of safe use left in it, and it's impossible to test without very expensive, if not destructive testing.
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Who wants to bet that plane never leaves that field.
mrttao
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It really doesn't. Those are authentic parts sold by airbus to countries like UAE and the like.
They are not some leftover used parts.
How would they know?
Used parts are authentic too...
Good "equivalents" from China meanwhile may be just sub-standard throwaways from the same production line that makes the authentic ones.
Basically the safety of Russian aviation now is a bet on the assumption that there is honor among thieves.
mrttao
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Because there are reports of multiple countries who receive authentic parts directly from airbus acting as go between to give russia said new parts, bypassing the embargo.
That would fall back into malfeasance.
Corrupt Russian procurement managers were getting those substandard parts and pocketing the change before the embargo even started, and they are still doing it after it started.
Those who are not corrupt and actually try to procure authentic new parts can and do so through countries that are receiving authentic new parts
Good luck with that. The other countries, especially those willing to pull such shady moves against the West, obviously aren't the most trustworthy themselves either. So that only adds to the number of points where someone could do something funny and profitable, and the rest of the chain doesn't even need to know.
The plane in question should have made it to the airport. Airbus planes can carry a full load on a single surviving engine. From preliminary reports the investigators leaked; It didn't help that the idiot pilots forgot a few steps on top of the part failure. The landing gears were still deployed the whole flight creating a massive amount of drag. This of course led to even more stress damage due to the pressure.
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He's Back: Zelensky Inbound for (Another) Washington Visit as Congress Debates $24+ Billion in Ukraine Aid
House Conservatives Object to $24 Billion Ukraine Aid Request: Americans 'Tired' of Endless Wars
Zelensky Inbound for (Another) Washington Visit as Congress Debates $24+ Billion in Ukraine Aid
The White House and Capitol Hill can expect a visit from Ukraine President Volodymr Zelensky next week as the latest aid package worth upwards of $24 billion is debated in Congress.
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House Conservatives Object to $24 Billion Ukraine Aid Request: Americans 'Tired' of Endless Wars
House Conservatives Object to $24 Billion Ukraine Aid Request: Americans 'Tired' of Endless Wars
House conservatives objected to the latest Ukraine aid proposal, contending that it would only continue America's proxy war against Russia.
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House conservatives objected to President Joe Biden's latest Ukraine aid proposal, contending that it would only continue America's proxy war against Russia.
The House conservatives, led by Rep. Warren Davidson (R-OH), sent a letter, which was obtained by Breitbart News, to Biden on Friday, condemning Biden's request for $40 billion in supplemental funding, $24 billion of which will go to Ukraine.
U.S. President Joe Biden (R) welcomes President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky to the White House on December 21, 2022. (Drew Angerer/Getty Images)
"This request exacerbates your administration's out-of-control deficit spending and circumvents the bipartisan debt ceiling agreement," the House conservatives wrote. "Americans are tired of funding endless wars and want policies that not only help restore fiscal sanity in Washington, but also put America and American citizens first."
The Republicans asked that the Biden administration provide Congress with its "comprehensive strategy and mission for U.S. involvement in Ukraine." They said without a formal strategy, "there is no way to develop clear objectives, allocate the proper resources, conduct rigorous oversight, or hold officials accountable for success or failure."
The House conservatives also contended that the supplemental appropriations bill would circumvent the spending caps stipulated in the Fiscal Responsibility Act, or the debt ceiling deal:
By requesting a supplemental appropriations package, you are putting the U.S. on a path toward a government shutdown by violating the debt ceiling agreement. On June 3, 2023, you signed into law the Fiscal Responsibility Act, which suspended the debt ceiling through January 1, 2025. In addition, this law established new discretionary spending limits for the next two fiscal years. For FY2024, these spending caps were set at $886 billion for national defense and $704 billion for nondefense programs. You cannot bypass the law you just signed. This request should have been included in the President's FY24 Budget Request and put through the traditional appropriations process.
Reps. Davidson, Ralph Norman (R-SC), Greg Steube (R-FL), Randy Weber (R-TX), Clay Higgins (R-LA), Scott Perry (R-PA), Tom McClintock (R-CA), Eli Crane (R-AZ), Andy Ogles (R-TN), Jeff Duncan (R-SC), Matt Gaetz (R-FL), and Anna Paulina Luna (R-FL) signed onto the letter.
House conservatives are not the only Republicans to oppose a blank check to Biden for more Ukraine aid.
A spokesperson for Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) said in a written statement, "A Republican-led House will not rubber-stamp any blank-check funding requests; rather, the administration's emergency funding requests must be reviewed and scrutinized on their merits consistent with the practice and principles of our majority."
House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) at the Capitol in Washington on May 31, 2023. (AP Photo/Jose Luis Magana)
One senior House Republican told Axios that a standalone Ukraine bill would be an "absolute disaster" for Republicans.
A poll released last week found a majority of Americans oppose sending more aid to Ukraine.
"Congressional support for Ukraine must be based, like any matter of foreign policy, on what serves the interests of all Americans. To uphold this responsibility, Congress should reject any requests for additional Ukraine funding unless conservatives' minimum requirements are met," Heritage Action Acting Executive Director Ryan Walker said in a statement Thursday.
Walker told Breitbart News this week any additional aid to Ukraine must come with an accounting of the previous $113 billion in aid, the funds must not be attached to a must-pass bill, and the administration has to lay out a strategy for Ukraine.
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Pence warns U.S. troops may have to fight Russia if Ukraine loses war
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Not just "FUCK YOU" but Pence threatening Americans with death means I have no problem making a correction to his prediction:
U.S. citizens may have to fight their government if their politicians don't shut their fucking holes.
Pence warns U.S. troops may have to fight Russia if Ukraine loses war
Pence's remarks come as Congress battles over a litany of spending bills, including the authorization of additional funds to the country.
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Not just "FUCK YOU" but Pence threatening Americans with death means I have no problem making a correction to his prediction:
U.S. citizens may have to fight their government if their politicians don't shut their fucking holes.
If Russia is able to force their way to the Polish border and defeat Ukraine, NATO is next, and the Russian's have even said themselves Ukraine was just a first step to attempt to retake most of Eastern Europe.Pence warns U.S. troops may have to fight Russia if Ukraine loses war
Pence warns U.S. troops may have to fight Russia if Ukraine loses war
Pence's remarks come as Congress battles over a litany of spending bills, including the authorization of additional funds to the country.
Not just "FUCK YOU" but Pence threatening Americans with death means I have no problem making a correction to his prediction:
U.S. citizens may have to fight their government if their politicians don't shut their fucking holes.
If Russia attempts to retake the Balkans or Baltics, NATO Article 5 will come into play, and then no more proxy war, more like gutting Russian combat abilities via direct and overwhelming conventional munition strikes, and Putin eats several Tomahawks or AMRAAMS.
Hate Pence for Jan 6th and backstabbing Trump, but he's not wrong here.
I have it under good information that the Ukrainians won't fight the Russians if this invasion continues any longer. So any talk of a long term proxy War would be impossible. Plus the Nazi Banderites there would never follow the orders of a Jew. We've had many experts here cite in the other Ukrainian War threads that the Ukrainians have been suffering losses in ratios of ten to one as well for months now and most NATO military aid is either museum era pieces or technologically useless wonderwaffen so even NATO can't sustain the Ukrainians who clearly don't want to fight this Proxy War and clearly never did.
This is all true because Ukraine has enforced a form of medieval slavery called conscription... any country that has instituted a draft, levy, mobilization or conscription means they have no will to fight or national morale.
Read a history book.
This is all true because Ukraine has enforced a form of medieval slavery called conscription... any country that has instituted a draft, levy, mobilization or conscription means they have no will to fight or national morale.
Read a history book.