Russia-Ukraine War Politics Thread Mk. 2

So…not really an invasion?
...do you understand when you try to play these games with the US southern border, the Dems open and known illegal immigration plans, US history with Mexico (Pancho Villa's raids and the Pershing Expedition say hi), and try to deny how actual American's see it, you make the "why does Ukraine's border matter, but the US border doesn't" crowd stronger?

Do you understand that our troops on the US southern border do get shot at by people on the other side of the Mexican border, and usually cannot fire back, lest a 'diplomatic incident' occur?

Acknowledging the US southern border is being invaded, and that aid to Ukraine should still happen even as we address our own border issues, is not that hard, is it?
 
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Are you or are you not going to ever acknowledge the part where multiple people pointed out the hostile military powers like CCP and hezbollah sending troops through the border into the USA?
Or are you just going to keep selectively ignoring that bit?

I mean, you are wrong on all of it. but if you don't even acknowledge that bit despite multiple people mentioning it then you are clearly intentionally trying to be wrong
It’s a mass movement of people caused by the abject stupidity of a political whilst being ruthlessly abused by some of America’s enemies.

That’s bad enough.

But I must press, where the tanks at?
 
It’s a mass movement of people caused by the abject stupidity of a political whilst being ruthlessly abused by some of America’s enemies.

That’s bad enough.

But I must press, where the tanks at?
Man, no wonder you Bongs have gotten overrun via the same sort of schemes, you don't recognize this sort of invasion for what it is in your own land, not surprised you don't recognize it happening to the US.
 
Man, no wonder you Bongs have gotten overrun via the same sort of schemes, you don't recognize this sort of invasion for what it is in your own land, not surprised you don't recognize it happening to the US.
What scheme?

This is all a tragic cause and effect of a broken worldview in the form of liberalism, which at its core gets a tremendous amount of things wrong about human nature itself (State of nature, Blank Slate, etc). A very profound and a very dangerous issue indeed, that has influenced practically every bad decision any government has made in the Western World for the better part of a century.

But “Invasion” is a very specific term, and used here it is hyperbolic and emotionally charged.

Hyperbole has no place in serious statecraft, and has a nasty habit of frightening off the normies.

To finish off, sorry about the derail Mods. I’ll leave the conversation here.
 
where the tanks at?
1. The CCP tanks at canada, where they are doing secret "joint training".
2. Tanks are not always the most effective tool for the job and not every war and invasion uses them. Which is why the CCP is sending their infantry over, wearing plain clothes, instead of sending their tanks.
Had they sent tanks they would have been blown up. But instead CCP infantry is being let into the country with the approval from the ruling class
 
Chico I never said anything about the USA not having the right to secure borders. I'm saying your dumbass politicians and media are hyper sensationalising the problem for talking points and not actually doing anything sbout it. I remember the Build A Wall bullshit Trump and his cronies pushed. Remind me what happened again? Oh that's right it was a fucking scam to take money from stupid people.

You elected the degenerates on both sides into office and keep electing them. You have the power to organize and force a recall. . . And yet. . .
I’m sorry what you said was really dumb so I have to correct it.

Trump never scammed anybody out of their money to build the wall. The parts of the wall/fence that are built were built by tax dollars. People don’t really donate their funds to Government projects they like that’s a libertarian thing they’d like to do, and maybe it would be nice but it’s never been tried.

But anyway Trump never took private money to build the wall.
 
You have the power to organize and force a recall. . . And yet. . .
USA does not have any recall options for federal positions.
Only some states allow recall elections at the state level.
Having regrets about your vote for president? Sorry, there's no mulligan. The U.S. Constitution does not allow for the recall of a president outside of the impeachment process or the removal of a commander-in-chief who is deemed unfit for office under the 25th Amendment.

In fact, there are no political recall mechanisms available to voters at the federal level; voters can't recall members of Congress, either. However, 19 states and the District of Columbia allow for the recall of elected officials serving in state positions: Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, New Jersey, North Dakota, Oregon, Rhode Island, Washington, and Wisconsin. Virginia is unique in that it lets residents petition, not vote, for an official's removal.1
Also, the claim we keep "electing" them is suspecting considering the massive election fraud
 
One are slightly better, and other exactly the same, plus the lesson that the last ones were killed.
Hussain was secular tyrant,and now we have islamists.How it is slighty better? becouse they killed or exiled 85% of christians living there from Apostolic times ?
 
Hussain was secular tyrant,and now we have islamists.How it is slighty better? becouse they killed or exiled 85% of christians living there from Apostolic times ?
So we need to let secular tyrants do whatever they want because Islamists could replace them?
Can you understand what conclusion will that give them?
The Islamists were killed too later.
 
So we need to let secular tyrants do whatever they want because Islamists could replace them?
Can you understand what conclusion will that give them?
The Islamists were killed too later.
It is not "could", it is "would". We have multiple examples of this.
it is not "we need to let them do whatever they want"
it is a "based on all the evidence and multiple recent history examples. doing A results in B".

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
Bad faith argument is seeing someone say "multiple recent examples show action A leads to result B" and saying "you think we should let secular tyrants do anything they want / are a simp for iran"

Until the west changes, it will keep on making the same mistakes.
We cannot clean up the middle east until we first clean up our own house.
 
It is not "could", it is "would". We have multiple examples of this.
it is not "we need to let them do whatever they want"
it is a "based on all the evidence and multiple recent history examples. doing A results in B".
Which means we need to kill more Islamists, not be more tolerant to other secular despots as the lesser evil and hope they will do the dirty work for us instead of screwing with us.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
Bad faith argument is seeing someone say "multiple recent examples show action A leads to result B" and saying "you think we should let secular tyrants do anything they want / are a simp for iran"
Insanity is not killing enemies because other enemies might replace them rather than preparing to kill the other enemies too.
Until the west changes, it will keep on making the same mistakes.
We cannot clean up the middle east until we first clean up our own house.
That's just a reality divorced attempt at symbol politics.
They couldn't give less shit about our own house. Shit happens in ME, it happened before modern era, it happened in colonial era, it happened in medieval era, it's just how it is, the hippie-left discourse that "it's our intervention's fault all along" needs to be mocked relentlessly until it disappears, and then it needs to continue to be mocked in history books just so that it won't come back.
 
Insanity is not killing enemies because other enemies might replace them rather than preparing to kill the other enemies too.
There is your bad faith argument again.
So long as the west is as it is, killing them is not a choice on the table.
The choice is to invade / bomb their country, which will result in all of them being invited as rapefugees into your country to rape and murder the natives.

If you want to kill the muslims, step 1 is to totally purge all the wokes, hippies, and liberals from the western governments.
If you skip that very important step, then you are not killing the muslims, you are importing them to your country.

And stop trying to strawmanning every single person who tries telling this to you as if they are some sort of bleeding heart "pro muslim"
That's just a reality divorced attempt at symbol politics.
The sheer fucking irony of this statement is mind boggling.
 
The Russians aren't even investigating properly. They're just grabbing people and torturing them until they confess. They grabbed the Used Cars salesman and tortured him to confessing to being part of it. The man sold a beater for the equivalent of 80 USD he's being blamed for not doing a check.

Those terrorists had AK12s that's not an easily available rifle. Not without connections to the military.

Even the Z Patriots are suspicious. Russia has the same camera setup, and with a more advanced recognition and tracker software that China uses. Every inch of Moscow is monitored by multiple cameras and somehow these Jihadi got to and from the hall with only one camera catching them.
 
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There is your bad faith argument again.
You're one big bad faith argument.
So long as the west is as it is, killing them is not a choice on the table.
The choice is to invade / bomb their country, which will result in all of them being invited as rapefugees into your country to rape and murder the natives.
No, it is not a result, as if some law of nature that it follows as a result, it's just an enemy action by yet another opportunistic enemy, the leftists, and it's a lie that it is a result of invasions, because this opportunistic enemy is absolutely willing to invite them also in countries that had nothing to do with said invasion, or to invite them from countries that were neither bombed or invaded, so long story short, this is an excuse, not a result - and not given these excuse, the people who use it will find a different one anyway, lack of an excuse never stopped them and never will.
You're crafting bullshit theories to facilitate idiotic delusional visions of the world that are almost as bad as leftist's, because they only exist among those who share some of their beliefs.
If you want to kill the muslims, step 1 is to totally purge all the wokes, hippies, and liberals from the western governments.
If you skip that very important step, then you are not killing the muslims, you are importing them to your country.
If you're not killing them, you are importing them anyway, ask Swedes, Swiss, Irish etc. What did not bombing anyone get them? Worse migrant problems than some of the more proactive western countries. These events are separate, and only leftist's useful idiots are trying to take the leftist's excuse that it's a result of the invasions on face value. Leftist's word has negative value, and they came up with this logic, to distract from the fact that it's their people who make it happen with their hands, their decisions, their influence. Politicians, judges, celebrities, diplomats, lawyers, activists and so on.

If it's not third world from the spot bombed by USA, it's from another spot, if it's not about war, it's about poverty, if it's not about le evil capitalists, it's about climate change, the leftist's will always find an excuse, shaping foreign policy around trying to deny one to them until they no longer exist (aka indefinitely, possibly for very, very long) is a policy doomed to failure and creating greater problems, because that grants them control over it through their choice of excuses, while achieving nothing - leftist's immigration policy stays the same, and they will always have enough excuses.
And stop trying to strawmanning every single person who tries telling this to you as if they are some sort of bleeding heart "pro muslim"
"this" is a shitty, old, and obviously wrong leftist theory, whoever pushes such either is a leftist, or a retard who listens to leftist's excuses for getting their way seriously.
The sheer fucking irony of this statement is mind boggling.
As above.
The Russians aren't even investigating properly. They're just grabbing people and torturing them until they confess. The grabbed the Used Cars salesman and tortured him to confessing to being part of it. The mam sold a beater for the equivalent of 80 USD he's being blamed for not doing a check.

Those terrorists had AK12s that's not an easily available rifle. Not without connections to the military.

Even the Z Patriots are suspicious. Russia has the same camera setup, and with a more advanced recognition and tracker software that China uses. Every inch of Moscow is monitored red and somehow these Jihadi got to and from the hall with only one camera catching them.
So normal for Russia, the old jokes do it justice.
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Misleading technical truth.
Yes they are being imported no matter.
But when we are bombing them we are importing more of them.
Can i have the numbers on a graph showing that?
Because it doesn't seem to be true, just a blanket "truth" meant to fit political convenience of certain factions.
When leftists get more influential in a country, it imports more of them, that's the obvious correlation.
Either way, step 1 remains to clean house first.
No, these are separate problems that need to be fought without artificial sequencing restrictions.
 
No, these are separate problems that need to be fought without artificial sequencing restrictions.
Well, enjoy living in fantasy land where you will somehow convince someone that we start a war with Iran specifically explicitly for the purpose of genociding all the muslims.
And that doing so is feasible while the wokes are in power
And that bombing them will not in any shape or form increase the amount of rapefugees that stream into the west.

I think I had enough of your insanity for one day
 
Well, enjoy living in fantasy land where you will somehow convince someone that we start a war with Iran specifically explicitly for the purpose of genociding all the muslims.
And that doing so is feasible while the wokes are in power
And that bombing them will not in any shape or form increase the amount of rapefugees that stream into the west.

I think I had enough of your insanity for one day
If this wasn’t how he normally acted I’d think he was playing a prank today.
 
Well, enjoy living in fantasy land where you will somehow convince someone that we start a war with Iran specifically explicitly for the purpose of genociding all the muslims.
No, just to stop Iran creating an actual Shia Islamist empire like their stated goal is.
And that doing so is feasible while the wokes are in power
One of differences between us and the wokes is that we don't ignore third world enemies for social justice reasons.
And that bombing them will not in any shape or form increase the amount of rapefugees that stream into the west.
Leftist ability to invite and facilitate their stay decides it. They do what they can regardless of whether, how much and who got bombed, but they will use it as an excuse, just like they will use any other excuse, no matter how retarded, and then convince naive people that the excuse is the real reason, not an irrelevant excuse to do what they wanted to do anyway - which is what you are an example of.
The less people let themselves be fooled like this, the less this theory "works".
If no one respected their excuses, it is false, if it ever works, it's because people mistake the excuse for a real reason and so let them invite more third world on account of this or that excuse, whether it's bombing or colonialism or climate change (the "climate justice" angle is a big one planned for the future) or anything else.
Hence it is in the interest of the right to shit on this theory, not spread it.
I think I had enough of your insanity for one day
Likewise, live with your delusions that leftists will stay their hand and not hurt countries they hate if only they don't bomb their foreign enemies.
 
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