Russia-Ukraine War Politics Thread Mk. 2

Why should we care about a Shia Islamic empire or a normal Persian empire or whatever. Honestly most people there are Muslim why should we care, if we really need to we could create a Sunni Islamist empire as a counterweight.
Then we are playing geopolitics with 2 more empires that hate us while weakened by the woke infection. Are Russia and China not enough for you? What kind of big brain logic is this supposed to be?
Do you expect them to be as retarded as western 2 party system obsessed commenters who struggle with thinking through more than 1 vs 1 conflict setups and think they will give 100% attention to each other and not attack juicy, weak third party targets ever for reasons?
Or is it more of typical isolationists "make competition stronger, we don't want to care anyway, and we actively refuse to know enough to realize why we should care, fuck it".
Sorry, i have no respect for this ignorance based foreign policy ideology.
 
Then we are playing geopolitics with 2 more empires that hate us while weakened by the woke infection. Are Russia and China not enough for you? What kind of big brain logic is this supposed to be?
Do you expect them to be as retarded as western 2 party system obsessed commenters who struggle with thinking through more than 1 vs 1 conflict setups and think they will give 100% attention to each other and not attack juicy, weak third party targets ever for reasons?
Or is it more of typical isolationists "make competition stronger, we don't want to care anyway, and we actively refuse to know enough to realize why we should care, fuck it".
Sorry, i have no respect for this ignorance based foreign policy ideology.
What you just said is one of the dumbest foreign policy statements I’ve ever heard.

Think your enemies aren’t stupid and won’t always kill themselves for you. If you want to prepare for the worst put yourself in their shoes. You are the leader of a Sunni Muslim empire, sure you may not like the west. But you also don’t like the Shia Muslim empire. The Shias are also closer to you and a bigger threat(if the west is smart and doesn’t pick random fights)
That means those nations will focus their resources and attention on each other for the most part.
 
What you just said is one of the dumbest foreign policy statements I’ve ever heard.

Think your enemies aren’t stupid and won’t always kill themselves for you. If you want to prepare for the worst put yourself in their shoes. You are the leader of a Sunni Muslim empire, sure you may not like the west. But you also don’t like the Shia Muslim empire. The Shias are also closer to you and a bigger threat(if the west is smart and doesn’t pick random fights)
That means those nations will focus their resources and attention on each other for the most part.
Will they? Or is it just your statement of unjustified belief in simplistic, 1v1 setup just like i said?

This is the China-Russia conflict that's supposed to happen but never does all over again.
Empires that are going for each other's throats will point their deterrents, whatever they are, at each other, and stare down until an opportunity happens, be it one's mistake, someone blinks, or literal big rock from space falls on them. But until then, they will look for weaker, lower cost opportunities to gain strategic edge on the other before going for a confrontation with them.
This is, in other words, the story of the Cold War - while the real WW3 didn't happen, there were fights, delaying actions, and attempts to get an edge big or small in all sorts of third party places, some more and some less important, which ultimately resulted in one side outlasting the other.

And playing fucky-fucky games with western countries, as long as leftists poison them, will be a desirable option for the foreseeable future, as every existing and aspiring non-western major power is showing right now, due to leftists being likely to block any serious retribution.
 
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Then we are playing geopolitics with 2 more empires that hate us while weakened by the woke infection. Are Russia and China not enough for you? What kind of big brain logic is this supposed to be?
Do you expect them to be as retarded as western 2 party system obsessed commenters who struggle with thinking through more than 1 vs 1 conflict setups and think they will give 100% attention to each other and not attack juicy, weak third party targets ever for reasons?
Or is it more of typical isolationists "make competition stronger, we don't want to care anyway, and we actively refuse to know enough to realize why we should care, fuck it".
Sorry, i have no respect for this ignorance based foreign policy ideology.

Russia so deeply fucked itself with communism and are currently in the process of being ground down to nothing by the ukraine war, their pretty much done as a great power.

China has all of the problems the west has on sterioids the only reason their going to exit it fine is because the wests going to be dealing with its own internal problems when theirs explode.

The woke thing is likely going to be the most major of our issues.
 
So we need to let secular tyrants do whatever they want because Islamists could replace them?
Can you understand what conclusion will that give them?
The Islamists were killed too later.
No,they were not.They still rule there.And i do not support secular tyrants,only state obvious fact - in muslim country you could have bad secular tyrant - or replace him with worst islamists.

According to your logic,you let islamist do whatever they like.No,it actually happen in Iraq and Afganistan.
And would happen in Iran,if deep state invade them.

Tell me,what christians there in Armenia did to you,that you want them gone so badly?

Why should we care about a Shia Islamic empire or a normal Persian empire or whatever. Honestly most people there are Muslim why should we care, if we really need to we could create a Sunni Islamist empire as a counterweight.
No need for that,Erdogan is creating such Empire now.And we need strong Iran to counter that.
 
No,they were not.They still rule there.And i do not support secular tyrants,only state obvious fact - in muslim country you could have bad secular tyrant - or replace him with worst islamists.
Nope, Iraq has a democratic government now, ffs learn the facts before you talk shit.
According to your logic,you let islamist do whatever they like.No,it actually happen in Iraq and Afganistan.
And would happen in Iran,if deep state invade them.

Tell me,what christians there in Armenia did to you,that you want them gone so badly?
Let Shia Islamists get the likes of you to to use them as a country sized human shield barricade.
No need for that,Erdogan is creating such Empire now.And we need strong Iran to counter that.
Empire of more debt than he can pay you mean? I think Greece tried that strategy already, they didn't get an empire, they only got some mocking memes.
 
Nope, Iraq has a democratic government now, ffs learn the facts before you talk shit.
Yes,they elected islamists in fair elections,that what happen in muslim democracy.Either that,or bad horrible secular tyrant.
Let Shia Islamists get the likes of you to to use them as a country sized human shield barricade.
Why? i do not live in Armenia or Iran,like christians which you want murder.It is not even in interest of Izrael,so why do you want kill them?only turks would profit from another armenian genocide.
Empire of more debt than he can pay you mean? I think Greece tried that strategy already, they didn't get an empire, they only got some mocking memes.
USA is empire of debt,too.But,they do not genocided anybody during last 150 years.
 
Yes,they elected islamists in fair elections,that what happen in muslim democracy.Either that,or bad horrible secular tyrant.
What did they do to you so that you slander them like this?
Why? i do not live in Armenia or Iran,like christians which you want murder.It is not even in interest of Izrael,so why do you want kill them?only turks would profit from another armenian genocide.
Imagine believing Iran cares about Armenian Christians, not their utility as pawns against their heretic rivals.
At the same time Iran is having its proxies try kill Christians in Lebanon while taking away their country.

What makes you consider Armenian Christians more important than Lebanese ones?
USA is empire of debt,too.But,they do not genocided anybody during last 150 years.
No, there are levels of debt, and Turkey is getting beyond the norm.
 


Another Russian refinery hit, this one quite a ways from the UA border.

Russia will have a hard time paying for this invasion if most of it's refining infrastructure is barely functional or has been taken off-line in the long term by UA drone strikes..
 
What did they do to you so that you slander them like this?

slander? they are muslim and vote for their religion.What wrong is with that? we christian should vote for christian parties,too.
Imagine believing Iran cares about Armenian Christians, not their utility as pawns against their heretic rivals.
At the same time Iran is having its proxies try kill Christians in Lebanon while taking away their country.

What makes you consider Armenian Christians more important than Lebanese ones?

Lebannon had notching to do with Armenia - and Iran is one of 3 countries which help them.Only becouse they fought their enemies/turks/ but such is politic.
When both USA and Izrael support Azerbejian - which mean,next genocide.
No, there are levels of debt, and Turkey is getting beyond the norm.
USA would be unable to pay event percent of their debts,if notching change fast.And turks could always simply take lands of infidels - when USA is too civilized for that now.

I would answer after 2 weeks or so.
 
slander? they are muslim and vote for their religion.What wrong is with that? we christian should vote for christian parties,too.
They have non islamist parties too as you can see, some even vote for them.
Lebannon had notching to do with Armenia - and Iran is one of 3 countries which help them.Only becouse they fought their enemies/turks/ but such is politic.
When both USA and Izrael support Azerbejian - which mean,next genocide.
The world doesn't revolve around Armenia or Turks. Armenia wanted to be buddies with Russia for so long so they should worry about defending them not us. Russia is friends with Iran anyway so at least their alliances make some logical sense.
USA would be unable to pay event percent of their debts,if notching change fast.And turks could always simply take lands of infidels - when USA is too civilized for that now.
And who would buy the war scorched lands from some hated bankrupt islamists then to pay their debts?
This is pure fiction.
 


I think Macron is going to make Russia very uncomfortable if/when they hit any French troops in Ukraine, and won't ask for NATO or US help to handle things.

The French aren't scared of Russia the way the US gov is.
 
France also has a different stance towards the use of nuclear weapons.

They believe in 'nuclear warning shots,' effectively. Firing off one or two warheads so you know they're serious, instead of 'nothing until full strategic launch' like much of the world largely tends towards.
 

More men being drafted by Ukraine, what gets me is the article repeatedly saying how worried thr Ukrainian government is about drafting so many "young people" and its impacts on the economy.

What they really mean is "young men" because they sure aren't drafting women, and young men are the primary economic earners in most industrialized nations.
 
> If a fuckton of young men die, it would be bad for the economy

it pisses me off how seemingly men's lives are only valued in what they can produce for their owners

For most men the first time they ever get flowers is at their funeral.

To some degree this has always been the case, thing is its worse now a lot worse which is why I think the current paradime is just doomed because it constantly shits on men cant give them a bone. This means there is an instant army for any one who promises to make the pain stop.

A crown in now in the gutter and sooner or later some one will pick it up.
 

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