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Jormungandr

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Korea begs to differ
Korea was a success story, though -- same with Japan and (collectively) Europe after WW2.

Afghanistan, Iraq, South Vietnam... they weren't success stories, and the US basically cut its losses with them (or failed outright, as in the case of South Vietnam).

If it succeeds, all is gravy; if it fails, you're basically thrown in front of an eighteen wheeler.
 

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Korea was a success story, though -- same with Japan and (collectively) Europe after WW2.

Afghanistan, Iraq, South Vietnam... they weren't success stories, and the US basically cut its losses with them (or failed outright, as in the case of South Vietnam).

If it succeeds, all is gravy; if it fails, you're basically thrown in front of an eighteen wheeler.

Has the USA had any success stories after Korea though? It looks as if everything after that was a fail.
What changed? What went wrong?
 

Carrot of Truth

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Korea was a success story, though -- same with Japan and (collectively) Europe after WW2.

Afghanistan, Iraq, South Vietnam... they weren't success stories, and the US basically cut its losses with them (or failed outright, as in the case of South Vietnam).

If it succeeds, all is gravy; if it fails, you're basically thrown in front of an eighteen wheeler.
There is also Cuba, But yeah Korea was the US last success story.
 

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Oh come on, who here is so interested in hearing the same Qisling's bullshit from a yet different youtube channel so that it needs to be spammed here?
Now we have hindsight to show that the predictive value of his shilling is... well about as good as the predictive value of any Russian shilling, near zero.
"If they don't surrender in the next 24 hours, I suspect Russia will ultimately annihilate them."

Speaking to Fox News three days after the Ukraine invasion began, Macgregor suggested that the conflict was already nearing an end:

"The battle in eastern Ukraine is really almost over, all of the Ukrainian troops there have been largely surrounded and cut off. You have a concentration down in the Southeast of 30 or 40,000 of them, and if they don't surrender in the next 24 hours, I suspect Russia will ultimately annihilate them."
I'd rather listen to Baghdad Bob.
 

Agent23

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Oh come on, who here is so interested in hearing the same Qisling's bullshit from a yet different youtube channel so that it needs to be spammed here?
Now we have hindsight to show that the predictive value of his shilling is... well about as good as the predictive value of any Russian shilling, near zero.

I'd rather listen to Baghdad Bob.
Hey, what can I say, everyone in the West thinks that Putin is the reincarnation of Genghis Khan, while he is more the reincarnation of Chamberlain, or your average, slow Soviet/Tzarist bureaucrat. :)
If he had:
1) Untied the hands of the military.
2) Carpet bombed Kiev.
3) Started mobilization immediately.

Then MacGregor would have been right.
 

AnimalNoodles

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Oh come on, who here is so interested in hearing the same Qisling's bullshit from a yet different youtube channel so that it needs to be spammed here?
Now we have hindsight to show that the predictive value of his shilling is... well about as good as the predictive value of any Russian shilling, near zero.

I'd rather listen to Baghdad Bob.

A qusiling to whom? Is the USA in a declared war with Russia or something?
 

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Yeah, looks like it's a body double of Lukashenko that has been seen.
 

Marduk

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A qusiling to whom? Is the USA in a declared war with Russia or something?
USA considers Russia a hostile country. By your silly logic, shilling for USSR in the 1960's was fine because USA was not at war with the USSR.
Hey, what can I say, everyone in the West thinks that Putin is the reincarnation of Genghis Khan, while he is more the reincarnation of Chamberlain, or your average, slow Soviet/Tzarist bureaucrat. :)
If he had:
1) Untied the hands of the military.
2) Carpet bombed Kiev.
3) Started mobilization immediately.

Then MacGregor would have been right.
>Untied the hands of the military
Hahaha, to do what? Promoting people who do war crimes is not enough? It's Russian warhawk excuse for failure.
>carpet bombing
With fucking what? Russia has no fleet of disposable old strategic bombers crewed with suicidal pilots, and they would like to keep their fleet of less disposable strategic bombers for more than several uses.
>mobilization earlier
That's the only sensible thing they could have done, but then again, they were delusional about how weak Ukraine is and how capable their own military is, much like the guy whose shilling you are reposting always was and still is, demonstrating an impressive ability to not learn from own mistakes.
A qusiling to whom? Is the USA in a declared war with Russia or something?
If you shilled for the USSR in 1970 you would be a commie and a Quisling too, even though USSR and USA were not at war. Think before you come up with silly troll points again. Countries can be enemies without escalating to the level of a war, it's neither new nor unusual.
 

Agent23

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USA considers Russia a hostile country. By your silly logic, shilling for USSR in the 1960's was fine because USA was not at war with the USSR.

>Untied the hands of the military
Hahaha, to do what? Promoting people who do war crimes is not enough? It's Russian warhawk excuse for failure.
>carpet bombing
With fucking what? Russia has no fleet of disposable old strategic bombers crewed with suicidal pilots, and they would like to keep their fleet of less disposable strategic bombers for more than several uses.
That is what suicidal drones are for, you know, like the ones they used to eventually strip Ukraine of it's anti air defenses, and the "Siege" that wasn't could have brought in more artillery and short and medium range missiles and drones to take out Ukraine's S-300s.
However, Putin decided to pull back and not push the advantage and do that whole stupid negotiation attempt in Turkey.
And he probably would have gotten his way if not for Bojo and Biden.

>mobilization earlier
That's the only sensible thing they could have done, but then again, they were delusional about how weak Ukraine is and how capable their own military is, much like the guy whose shilling you are reposting always was and still is.
Yeah, no, the 100k force was woefully undersized so it was basically there to scare the UkroNazis into negotiations.
A qusiling to whom? Is the USA in a declared war with Russia or something?
In his mind the USA is at war with Russia, that is his fantasy/hope/self-delusion.

Also, I do not buy that he is an actual pole from Poland, maybe from the far Western province centered around Czikagomiasto.
 

Marduk

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That is what suicidal drones are for, you know, like the ones they used to eventually strip Ukraine of it's anti air defenses, and the "Siege" that wasn't could have brought in more artillery and short and medium range missiles and drones to take out Ukraine's S-300s.
Then it's not carpet bombing. It's something on the borderline of terror bombing and nuisance attacks. You don't destroy a city with drones carrying less explosive than you could lift in one hand, you need thousands of sorties from massive bombers for that.
Also S-300's are a last resort weapon to use against drones, especially cheapass kamikaze ones, everyone knows that. A pickup with ZPU or ZSU and thermal sights can wreck a Shahed if it's in the right place.
However, Putin decided to pull back and not push the advantage and do that whole stupid negotiation attempt in Turkey.
And he probably would have gotten his way if not for Bojo and Biden.
Lol... If he didn't pull back, the result would have been Kharkiv counteroffensive on steroids. Ukrainians would be complaining that they have captured so many stuck vehicles that they don't know who to crew them with.
Yeah, no, the 100k force was woefully undersized so it was basically there to scare the UkroNazis into negotiations.
The RussoNazis were so full of themselves that they thought Ukraine didn't get its shit in order since 2014 quite a bit, despite still keeping considerable spy networks active there.
But that's what happens when incompetence, corruption and yes-men are the norm in your higher leadership.
 
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Cherico

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MacGregor is a pure Russian shill, take nothing he says seriously.

Oh I think he is wrong on quite a few issues.

for example




The best russian missles are not as good as they say they are, plus the corruption, plus the incompetence. MacGregor is a boomer and thus views current Russia through the lense of the soviet union. Not Russia as it is today which is a much more degraded force.

That said Russia has a lot of people, and kit and might just win through pure numbers alone, thought it would be a pyric victory at this point. Its still too soon to tell.
 
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