Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

[Husky_Khan]

It's a weekend and I am on leave

lol suuuuuure.

And yesterday Zach?

I bet your not even American... COMRADE.

What are you? Polish? Slovenian? Bulgarian? Turkish? GALLIAN?

YOU GLOW TWICE AS BRIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT GLOWIE.

 

[Cherico]

Odd that you came out to defend him... so quickly too. I wonder...

You have a nice grasp of the GLOWIE mind clearly.

dude I work the night shift, a lot of us do, and some people are lucky enough to get weekends off.

lucky bastards.

 

[Agent23]

It's a weekend and I am on leave

I thought non-Grunts on a desk job workes normal hours?

 

[Zachowon]

I thought non-Grunts on a desk job workes normal hours?

Not always, depends on where we are stationed

 

[The Whispering Monk]

I thought non-Grunts on a desk job workes normal hours?

Mission dependent.

 

[Bacle]

Lukashenko may have been hospitalized after his trip to Moscow for Victory Day; he was at the parade but not the dinner, hearing rumors he had a serious heart issue.

Edit:


Russia is also now trying to get 15 yo to sign military contract so they can 'fuck Ukrainians'.

 

[Cherico]

The use of child soliders shows desperation I honestly thought it would take longer for Russia to hit that point

 

[mrttao]

I said what I said then, and specified which Russians (hint, not all Russians)

You literally only exempted Russians who are actively anti putin.
Anyone else: women, children, old, gets genocided if you were in charge

 

[Jormungandr]

You literally only exempted Russians who are actively anti putin.
Anyone else: women, children, old, gets genocided if you were in charge

He does have a point that Russia is completely fucked though.

Economically they're in ruins -- it's mostly about infrastructure, such as their oil industry. It's dead, and they lack the domestic expertise to restore it (and foreign aid? Forget about it!).

Politically they're pariahs, and nations such as those in the Middle-East view them not as anti-West partners but a resource to be exploited (e.g. selling hardware for cash for profit), and former Soviet nations and Eastern Bloc states are firmly against them (with the exception of one or two, like Belarus, and especially in Asia, such as Kazakhstan).

The latest UN resolution was basically purely anti-Russian, and most countries signed off on it, and those who are typically Russian allies or supporters actually abstained.

Culturally, they're persecuting anyone internally who isn't buying into the Cult of Putin, and by this point it really is a cult.

Militarily, they're fucked -- they're being bled dry by Ukrainians being propped up by Western aid and training.

The truth is brutal and simple: we have better shit than them, and we're training and giving the Ukrainians that shit to bleed Russia dry. And it's working.

Minorities such as the Chechens and Tatars are most definitely sensing blood in the water. Russia's guts are bleeding heavily. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a Third Chechen War sometime in the next decade.

And China... yeah, China's probably rubbing their greedy little hands together in anticipation of exploiting the chaos for their own benefit.

Containing them is pretty much the only option now. They're going to self-destruct sooner or later, and the best thing to do is contain the amount of damage they'll cause to surrounding nations, and to stop certain nations (like China) from growing more powerful by their seizing territory, like areas historically claimed by China/Russian northern territory (which is resource rich).

I can see Russia surviving somewhat economically if they begin selling off their diamond reserves (they basically have a meteorite that pure diamond stashed away somewhere), but that's, in the grand scheme of things, a short-term solution.

But yeah, Russia is fucked. It's only a matter of time now.

As for Putin? He'll either get a bullet in the back of the head one day, he'll hold onto power until he's physically dragged from his fancy oak desk and offered up as a sacrificial lamb, or he's going to flee with a shit ton of things like gold to some country somewhere.

 

[Bacle]

You literally only exempted Russians who are actively anti putin.
Anyone else: women, children, old, gets genocided if you were in charge

I said Russian nationals outside Russia that support Putin should be treated as enemy spies/combatants, because they probably are, if they are not actively anti-Putin. I never said wipe out the people inside Russia, just contain the madness and keep the orcs in Mordor.

If they are Russian children outside Russia for some reason, maybe they can be salvaged from the madness that has consumed their nation if their parents also have a change of heart, but the if they are of age and actually support what Putin is doing, no point in doing anything with them but giving Ukraine another ammo shipment to utilize for when they get shipped to the front.

And there is the Free Russia movement, which is with supporting and frankly arming. If someone is part of the Free Russia movement and wants to throw off the old stupidity for good, let's help them; rooting the Commies out of Russia itself would be a major blow to the whole ideology. Helping the Chechen's, Tatar's, and other's break loose of Moscovy would be a great idea for the west to pursue, because Moscow doesn't have the troops or equipment to keep hold of them anymore if they decided to break loose. Only nukes could keep them in, and unlike the west Russian nukes are far more...loose in their command chain and much easier for someone to go warlord with.

In fact, people need to get used to the idea of a 'Warlord's Era' Russia at the other end of this whole conflict, where Russian nuke officers become defacto kings of their own little fiefs and get backing from outside powers in their internal squabbles.

If the sane Russians can sort shit out internally and deal with internal politics as only native Russians can, maybe Russia can come back into the international community a generation or two sooner without going into a Warlord Era, instead of ending up a giant North Korea/CCP resource colony.

He does have a point that Russia is completely fucked though.

Economically they're in ruins -- it's mostly about infrastructure, such as their oil industry. It's dead, and they lack the domestic expertise to restore it (and foreign aid? Forget about it!).

Politically they're pariahs, and nations such as those in the Middle-East view them not as anti-West partners but a resource to be exploited (e.g. selling hardware for cash for profit), and former Soviet nations and Eastern Bloc states are firmly against them (with the exception of one or two, like Belarus, and especially in Asia, such as Kazakhstan).

The latest UN resolution was basically purely anti-Russian, and most countries signed off on it, and those who are typically Russian allies or supporters actually abstained.

Culturally, they're persecuting anyone internally who isn't buying into the Cult of Putin, and by this point it really is a cult.

Militarily, they're fucked -- they're being bled dry by Ukrainians being propped up by Western aid and training.

The truth is brutal and simple: we have better shit than them, and we're training and giving the Ukrainians that shit to bleed Russia dry. And it's working.

Minorities such as the Chechens and Tatars are most definitely sensing blood in the water. Russia's guts are bleeding heavily. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a Third Chechen War sometime in the next decade.

And China... yeah, China's probably rubbing their greedy little hands together in anticipation of exploiting the chaos for their own benefit.

Containing them is pretty much the only option now. They're going to self-destruct sooner or later, and the best thing to do is contain the amount of damage they'll cause to surrounding nations, and to stop certain nations (like China) from growing more powerful by their seizing territory, like areas historically claimed by China/Russian northern territory (which is resource rich).

I can see Russia surviving somewhat economically if they begin selling off their diamond reserves (they basically have a meteorite that pure diamond stashed away somewhere), but that's, in the grand scheme of things, a short-term solution.

But yeah, Russia is fucked. It's only a matter of time now.

As for Putin? He'll either get a bullet in the back of the head one day, he'll hold onto power until he's physically dragged from his fancy oak desk and offered up as a sacrificial lamb, or he's going to flee with a shit ton of things like gold to some country somewhere.

Yes, containment is the only sane policy left to deal with Russia for now, and that means understanding the threat posed by 'innocent' Russian travelers or nationals who happen to support Putin but haven't been drafted/ordered to return to Russia.

Have some of the people here just collectively blanked on Wagner's fuckery in Africa, Russian intel agents in Germany, and the OG 'little green men' who just happened to show up en masse in the Donbas in 2014?

Treating Russians like orcs to be contained to Mordor is pretty much the safest approach at this point, if the Russian in question is not actively anti-Putin.

 

[King Arts]

I said Russian nationals outside Russia that support Putin should be treated as enemy spies/combatants, because they probably are, if they are not actively anti-Putin. I never said wipe out the people inside Russia, just contain the madness and keep the orcs in Mordor.

If they are Russian children outside Russia for some reason, maybe they can be salvaged from the madness that has consumed their nation if their parents also have a change of heart, but the if they are of age and actually support what Putin is doing, no point in doing anything with them but giving Ukraine another ammo shipment to utilize for when they get shipped to the front.

And there is the Free Russia movement, which is with supporting and frankly arming. If someone is part of the Free Russia movement and wants to throw off the old stupidity for good, let's help them; rooting the Commies out of Russia itself would be a major blow to the whole ideology. Helping the Chechen's, Tatar's, and other's break loose of Moscovy would be a great idea for the west to pursue, because Moscow doesn't have the troops or equipment to keep hold of them anymore if they decided to break loose. Only nukes could keep them in, and unlike the west Russian nukes are far more...loose in their command chain and much easier for someone to go warlord with.

In fact, people need to get used to the idea of a 'Warlord's Era' Russia at the other end of this whole conflict, where Russian nuke officers become defacto kings of their own little fiefs and get backing from outside powers in their internal squabbles.

If the sane Russians can sort shit out internally and deal with internal politics as only native Russians can, maybe Russia can come back into the international community a generation or two sooner without going into a Warlord Era, instead of ending up a giant North Korea/CCP resource colony.

Yes, containment is the only sane policy left to deal with Russia for now, and that means understanding the threat posed by 'innocent' Russian travelers or nationals who happen to support Putin but haven't been drafted/ordered to return to Russia.

Have some of the people here just collectively blanked on Wagner's fuckery in Africa, Russian intel agents in Germany, and the OG 'little green men' who just happened to show up en masse in the Donbas in 2014?

Treating Russians like orcs to be contained to Mordor is pretty much the safest approach at this point, if the Russian in question is not actively anti-Putin.

So much wrong here. First off you wanting to help an independent Chechen is hilarious you do realize they are Islamists right in the same vein as ISIS they literally had slave markets until the Russians stopped them and most of that shit is controlled by warlords like Ramsan who the Russians consider palatable enough yes he is bad by western morality but again compare that to literally slave markets because that’s allowed in Islam.

Also we were very lucky that the fall of the Soviets did not lead to lost nukes what if your plan ends up with Russia collapsing and around 100 nukes are lost and sold on the black market. What do you do if your country then suffers a terrorist attack because of that?
Most of your other shit complaining about Russias actions with mercs in Africa how is that different than any other power from America UK France China etc.

 

[mrttao]

I said

you were very clear about your genocidal wishes

You literally explicitly said to kill every russian for being russian, then added an addendum of sparing "good russians" who are actively anti putin.

1. what if they are completely apolitical?
2. what if they are civilians who voted for putin?
3. women, children, and elderly? if they are not actively anti putin?

No, I said this:

At this point just shooting Russians on sight in most of the west is justified, unless they are anti-Putin people.

Did I say every Russian? No.

Did I say Russians who come to/through the West, and are not anti-Putin? Yes.

And if a Russian is not actively anti-Putin/anti-invasion of Ukraine, they should be assumed to at least tacitly support his actions and goals. Thus, they should be treated as likely intel agents or saboteurs. If the Russians stay in Russia, then there is no issue.

Same with anyone from the CCP who not an open dissident against Beijing; assume intel agent or saboteur until proven otherwise.

And yes, I do view Russians as akin to orcs now, because they behave like orcs and frankly isolating Russia NK style is one of the better outcomes to the current hostilities. The Nork's even have better excuses for their brainwashing compared to Russians, because Russians had far more access to the outside world for far longer.

I literally brought up russian children who are not anti putin.
And you literally doubled down on saying that yes. if a russian child is not actively anti putin he is an orc to be slaughtered in your opinion.

You are a hypocrite.

 

[Marduk]

So much wrong here. First off you wanting to help an independent Chechen is hilarious you do realize they are Islamists right in the same vein as ISIS they literally had slave markets until the Russians stopped them and most of that shit is controlled by warlords like Ramsan who the Russians consider palatable enough yes he is bad by western morality but again compare that to literally slave markets because that’s allowed in Islam.

No need to compare. It's just hushed down now.

The uphill battle to free Chechnya's slave labourers

Success is hit-and-miss for anti-slavery activists in Russia, who are up against rigid laws, local corruption, and a regional pride that fails to acknowledge the problem.

www.abc.net.au

Also we were very lucky that the fall of the Soviets did not lead to lost nukes what if your plan ends up with Russia collapsing and around 100 nukes are lost and sold on the black market. What do you do if your country then suffers a terrorist attack because of that?
Most of your other shit complaining about Russias actions with mercs in Africa how is that different than any other power from America UK France China etc.

From what i know likely several got lost. They are technically non-functional due to age and lack of specialist maintenance if nothing else by now.

 

[Agent23]

Not always, depends on where we are stationed

I thought you were some form of intelligence, so I'd think you get to warm a chair in a cubicle.

 

[King Arts]

No need to compare. It's just hushed down now.

The uphill battle to free Chechnya's slave labourers

Success is hit-and-miss for anti-slavery activists in Russia, who are up against rigid laws, local corruption, and a regional pride that fails to acknowledge the problem.

www.abc.net.au

From what i know likely several got lost. They are technically non-functional due to age and lack of specialist maintenance if nothing else by now.

Yes hushed up like it is in most of the world which means it's actually illegal and not open air slave markets where you can bid on slaves like you are in the Barbary states.

As for nukes yes by now they are useless without maintance, but it was still a minor miracle they weren't sold to terrorists that used them OR given to non nuclear nations that are trying to get their own like say Iran.

What if Iran managed to buy a dozen nuclear missiles from Russia?

 

[Marduk]

Yes hushed up like it is in most of the world which means it's actually illegal and not open air slave markets where you can bid on slaves like you are in the Barbary states.

Not illegal like in most of the world. "Illegal". Read up on the article, it's not even limited to rich people like in SA and as rumors go in more civilized countries, but including farm labor and brick factories, and the local government red tapes away attempts to fight that, so closer to rural China and outright third world shitholes.

As for nukes yes by now they are useless without maintance, but it was still a minor miracle they weren't sold to terrorists that used them OR given to non nuclear nations that are trying to get their own like say Iran.

What if Iran managed to buy a dozen nuclear missiles from Russia?

Then they couldn't maintain the missiles. They have their own missiles though, lots of models. It's the warheads that are the issue. And they are most likely close to having their own too, if they don't have a bunch already. Though from what i've heard, if they used those with Russian fissiles, some experts could detect whose fissiles those were by the composition/byproduct radioactive profile on account of refining methods used, so questions would be asked.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

I thought you were some form of intelligence, so I'd think you get to warm a chair in a cubicle.

I was intel. I was just behind the line with the fighters when deployed.

 

[Bacle]

you were very clear about your genocidal wishes

I literally brought up russian children who are not anti putin.
And you literally doubled down on saying that yes. if a russian child is not actively anti putin he is an orc to be slaughtered in your opinion.

If the children are inside Russia and pro-Putin, then they are either contained for the moment, at least until they get their draft notices.

If the Russian children are outside Russia and pro-Putin...well, unless their parents have a change of heart, nothing can be done and the parents should be viewed as potential agents if they are pro-Putin.

I also specificed I want Russian's who support Putin contained to Russia or treated as enemy combatants/spies for good reason, not for the Russian ethnicity slaughtered wholesale as you try to imply I said.

You are a hypocrite.

And you are barely better than a vatnik, and constantly make up excuses for Putin and Russia.

If Russian's didn't want to be viewed as orcs, then maybe they shouldn't act like orcs, and stop sucking off the cult of Putin.

 

[Husky_Khan]

If the children are inside Russia and pro-Putin, then they are either contained for the moment, at least until they get their draft notices.

If the Russian children are outside Russia and pro-Putin...well, unless their parents have a change of heart, nothing can be done and the parents should be viewed as potential agents if they are pro-Putin.

I also specificed I want Russian's who support Putin contained to Russia or treated as enemy combatants/spies for good reason, not for the Russian ethnicity slaughtered wholesale as you try to imply I said.

And you are barely better than a vatnik, and constantly make up excuses for Putin and Russia.

If Russian's didn't want to be viewed as orcs, then maybe they shouldn't act like orcs, and stop sucking off the cult of Putin.

TBF we all know why he's so skilled in identifying genocidal comments.

But at least he's not killing them. Just praising ripping children away from their families so they can be raised to hate them as enemies.

 

[Bacle]

TBF we all know why he's so skilled in identifying genocidal comments.

But at least he's not killing them. Just praising ripping children away from their families so they can be raised to hate them as enemies.

Yep; if Russia engages in genocidal tactics against Ukraine, it's 'based'.

If the west wants to treat Putin supporters like enemy agents and combatants when they are outside Russia, suddenly now he objects and acts like someone is calling for the extermination of all Russians.