Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

[King Arts]

Th issue is the right us chosing the wrong fight here

Why you want to fight China instead of Russia?

 

[Agent23]

Th issue is the right us chosing the wrong fight here

What?
Stop letting your phone type for you!

You have shit taste this pic is a stylized Saint George.

All this talk and I have to say for me Marduk is 90 percent right and Agent is only 10 percent right. Though at least that 10 percent is important Zelensky is abusing his power by going after the Orthodox Church and his government is being corrupt. It should not be given a blank check.

Are you just going to regurgitate whatever liberals say?

Get an icon or something.

Still no excuse for the war crimes, i didn't ask for reasons, you were just saying what a nice neighbor Bulgaria is and how it did totally no war crimes unlike the rest of Balkans, which is a Balkan classic.

Yeah, sure Pole, all of a sudden you are an expert on war crimes and the Balkans.
Your opinion is invalid.

Being allowed to be in EU, NATO, not getting sold to Turkey for an old boot, the fuck is it with this mercenary attitude, you're not Switzerland.

Switzerland is a wonderful place, and I'd rather try to be it than to be any other shithole on the EU, but thet required neutrality.
A mercenary attitude would be the best one for us.

The fuck do administrative border changes have to do with existence of a nationality?

Those landw were part of Russia a long time before there was even the idea of an Ukraine then they were forced to become part of Ukraine, you are right, administrative border changes should be irrelevant and they should be left to return to their original mother country, which is Russia.

In some cases commies did get kicked out in the 90's.

"Balancing", more like double dipping stupid westoids for string-free monies.
Remind me, how many Russian military installations and exercises he had, even before " color revolution nonsense".
How many NATO, EU or just Polish ones?

And he would seek out deals with the EU when Russia didn't give him what he wanted.
He was balancing quite well, but somebody had to go and be thirsty for what was it Kashewbia?

You can probably bullshit some average nonconformist westerners about this shit but with Poles it's not a likely success.

Yeah, you being thirsty for some territories that are parts of Belarus now had nothing to do with it, I am sure.

I don't care what USA does, we were talking about Russia shitting on Poland, not USA.

No, we were talking about principal, and on thos case the USA has learned nothing and still pushes muh beacon of democracy bullshit despite fukkingbl up and dumping something like ten trillion down the drane, with maybe a million casualties of their stupidity.

Trolling it is then.

Think whatever you want.

None of them have the sort of influence in Germany of all places that Russians do and it shows, if you talked about greens in USA you may have a point, but in Germany the eastern influence does answer the "cui bono?" question.

Yeah, qui Bono.

Quatar is going to be the top supplier of LNG to Europe, not the USA, and they had all sorts of shady connections with this one banker that fucked up massively here, and the theory was that he was working for them to fuck over South Stream and our connection to Turk Stream.

Moreover, the oligarch supporting those shots the libta d atlanticist PP/DB morons is connected to him.

Well guess which country was working to become the main green rubberstamped energy provider to Germany, hint, it wasn't Qatar.

And when you kick them out who wins?

How many French and British people lived in Africa and Middle East?

Non-argument.
Those landw are part of continuous Russian and of their historic heartland.

Sorry, but if Spain, Britain and France could decolonize, Russia can do it too and still make out like bandits territory wise compared to most of the above.

How about you decolonize the German territories you got, eh?

Here's an example for those Russians outside of Russia to follow:

Pied-Noir - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It was good enough for glorious France, so it should be good enough for glorious Russia too.

Don't care.

Except China earned it fair and square.

A fucking weather balloon causing media histeria, yeah, sure.

>tried
Let's not talk about what Russia dreamed of, what they did was bad enough.

Keep trying to whitewash all the nonsense Plieudski got to, sure.

So was it their victory, or communist victory? Poles fought and died in commie army in later WWII too yet that doesn't give us an attachment to these monuments, here, in Russia nor third countries.

Sure, you are a sovereign country, you can move them or scrap them of you hate the Russians that much.

>Russian nationalism
Yeah, we will accept monuments to that when there are Polish nationalist monuments in Moscow.
We would also be more willing to accept that if they didn't invade us alongside the Nazis in the first place, which Russian historical narrative still doesn't like mentioning, if they want to act like scum they can't complain about not being honored.

You know what, ot is your country, you do what you want.
But USSR invading or not, the Wermacht would have steamrolled you and Poland them was a very different beast from what it is now, with lots more Germans, Belarussians and "Ukrainians" in it.

The fuck Iraq and Afghanistan have to do with it, what policy?

Neocon stupidity.

>2010
And the article i've linked starts with that, following with what went later. If not lying to our faces about war crimes against us is a favor we are expected to buy from them and pay a subscription for, we shouldn't bother having diplomatic relations with Moscow at all.

Hey, I already told you, on Katyn I am on your side, no poi t in complaining more about it.
But they still have a monument to what happened and they acknowledged it, with the commie party being the usual annoying bitch.

Dunno who pushed what more, but it was pushed, so much for balancing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russia-vaccine-rules-putin/2021/07/27/640ea8b6-ebff-11eb-a2ba-3be31d349258_story.html

Mandatory Vaccination in Russia - Novinite.com - Sofia News Agency

Russia has added the coronavirus vaccine to its national vaccination calendar. This was done by order of the Minister of Health Mihail Murashko.

www.novinite.com

Not just Moscow, and "domestic" China'd Astra-Zeneca vax.

Did Russia steal AstraZeneca Covid jab formula? This report suggests so

Last week, the World Health Organization said it was about to restart the process of approving Sputnik V following a series of problems with the dossier.

www.hindustantimes.com

If you wondered why UK is competing with us in who has bigger beef with Russia.

You mean the same Astra Zeneka vaccine that was pulled for being dangerous?

Also, I am not buying thet they stole it, since they got it out before the British.
The UK had their own axes to grind with Russia, even more than you do.
And I don't care what tour random search for nosnsense says, since we all know you'd do anything to tar the Muskovites.

Sod off with the SJW "third world sucks so that locals want to go to rich western welfare states only because western interventions"

Gadaffi was actually stopping the African migrants and Libya was fairly stable under his control.
Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan produced less migrants before the USA decided to build democracy and replace the Taliban with the Taliban.
Yes, Africa and parts of the middle east are shitholes, but the refugee waves of parasites will not lessen of your favorite sugar daddy stops bombing them into "democracy".

argument, this is standard west-hating leftist talking point with no grounding in reality and i know that you know better than this.

>Ree, you disagree with murika bombing shit and wasting money and driving more useless third worlders to Yurup do I leftist.
SJW levels of logic right there.
Ron Paul and many libertarians and paleocons and foreign policy realists do not support the MIC's interventionalism, neither did Trump.
So, are we all crypto commies paid by Putin?

Balkans, well, shouldn't have done obvious war crimes, the West did fuck up the aftermath though due to its idealism, as usual, see Iraq and Afghanistan. Likewise, Saddam shouldn't have invaded Kuwait and Taliban shouldn't have sheltered Osama and AQ.

The same Osama thsr was found hiding in an US ally country and the same Saddam that had no WMDs?

Now, you are obviously trying to suck up to big daddy USA and the few remaining rebid neocucks on here.

No they didn't "tell Russia" anything binding like that, it's Russian butthurt justifying excuse, bad Russia, no sphere of influence for you, poor neo-imperialists, and if any Russian officials are moronic enough to think such a thing not only was said but was also binding to a level a treaty would be, well, they are retards then and suffer the consequences of their own retardation, can't blame anyone else for that.

Yeah, sure, we have multiple high level people corroborating my side of the story, bub, keep lying.

Then start taking into account that your nation has chosen to be in formal and de facto alliances with USA and EU, not with Russia,

Funny that, since since only 39% support an alliance with the EU and NATO
With the poll probably being shit because it is a package deal.
We wanted into the EU, we do not care that much about NATO, and to the extent that we do it is because we can mooch off of other people for defense.

which had its general assessment of military power revalued down recently to add insult to injury. Are they really worth cheeky attempts at double dipping? If anything half countries that were in alliances with Russia are now rethinking their choices, wouldn't want to be the idiot going the other way.

Oh, lol, Armenian news.
You done posting bullshit counter arguments and ass-licking the neocucks?

 

[Marduk]

Yeah, sure Pole, all of a sudden you are an expert on war crimes and the Balkans.
Your opinion is invalid.

Sure Bulgarian, surely you are an expert on Central Europe and its dealings with Russia, your opinion is equally invalid by that standard.

Switzerland is a wonderful place, and I'd rather try to be it than to be any other shithole on the EU, but thet required neutrality.
A mercenary attitude would be the best one for us.

You don't have the money, the mountains, the positioning nor the culture, so wishful thinking.

Those landw were part of Russia a long time before there was even the idea of an Ukraine then they were forced to become part of Ukraine, you are right, administrative border changes should be irrelevant and they should be left to return to their original mother country, which is Russia.

And no one gives a shit, it was a part of Poland for a long time too, so fuck that noise. It was feudal age with all its quirks, then feudalism fell and a lot of what is known as modern nations formed around 17th-19th century, and Ukrainians are one of those, and it is where it is. Many European states got forever divided into several countries of separate nationality even though for some parts of history they were united under one king and no one whines about that anymore, Russia should learn from that, if it was good enough for France, Britain and the like, it's only a grand feat of Muscovite arrogance that they consider themselves better than this so that they can play hotel california and never let it go like islamists with Al-Andalus.

And he would seek out deals with the EU when Russia didn't give him what he wanted.
He was balancing quite well, but somebody had to go and be thirsty for what was it Kashewbia?

>seek
Keep your narrative for more naive people, Moscow had no problem with their puppet mooching money from naive westerners, they had enough of a burden floating up his crappy economy themselves. The point is that it didn't stick as he was not going to leave Moscow and its influence behind, it was all just a dog and pony show to separate wishy washy western wannabe grand diplomats from money.
Ukraine was willing to make major moves, and you can see how radically different Moscow's reaction was.

Yeah, you being thirsty for some territories that are parts of Belarus now had nothing to do with it, I am sure.

Not everyone is an eastern resource based corruptocracy obsessing about land to steal, so stop projecting, our nationalists of all people don't want a bunch of even poorer "soviet people" than our current east who would vote for local postcommunist socialists given the option.

No, we were talking about principal, and on thos case the USA has learned nothing and still pushes muh beacon of democracy bullshit despite fukkingbl up and dumping something like ten trillion down the drane, with maybe a million casualties of their stupidity.

This is not about USA, this is about Russia and its relations with its western slavic neighboring nations, some of which it is refusing the right to exist as separate and sovereign nation-states, USA is just a distant global superpower putting some of its weight on the scales.

Think whatever you want.

Yeah, qui Bono.

Quatar is going to be the top supplier of LNG to Europe, not the USA, and they had all sorts of shady connections with this one banker that fucked up massively here, and the theory was that he was working for them to fuck over South Stream and our connection to Turk Stream.

Moreover, the oligarch supporting those shots the libta d atlanticist PP/DB morons is connected to him.

Where the fuck did you get the crazy idea that the tiny Qatar could be the top supplier of anything to Europe, except convenient propaganda media.

As Europe tries to cut Russian ties, dependence on imported LNG deepens

The European Union has reduced the volume of natural gas from Russian pipelines, but its imports of liquefied natural gas have increased sharply.

ieefa.org

As you can see, it's massively behind USA, and it's irrelevant to Germany anyway, as it doesn't import much LNG anyway.
And if we stop looking at LNG specifically and go to natural gas in any form like we should:
Before war:

During:

The 5-8% of Qatar is totally making grand political interference schemes to increase demand, certainly not the 40% supplier nor the 30% one.

And when you kick them out who wins?

You have the answer above - a bunch of other suppliers, most of them already Germany's allies.

Non-argument.
Those landw are part of continuous Russian and of their historic heartland.

No one gives a shit. The people living there have formed a separate national identity over last few centuries and Russia doesn't get to go "muh historical land!", they have as much right to the land as Arabs have to southern Iberia. Sea or not sea, just makes drawing the new borders harder.

How about you decolonize the German territories you got, eh?

Sorry, they are full of Polish people, and in civilized lands we don't do fake referendums at gunpoint. Also a lot of them were Polish in further history anyway.

Don't care.

Well i don't care about Russia's imperial ego more than French one, probably less in fact.

A fucking weather balloon causing media histeria, yeah, sure.

Loaded with enough spy hardware to equip a decent recon plane.

Keep trying to whitewash all the nonsense Plieudski got to, sure.

Careful there, or we will get into what nonsense Russians were up to back when Pilsudski was around, he was a fucking saint compared to that.

Sure, you are a sovereign country, you can move them or scrap them of you hate the Russians that much.

Yet Russians are butthurt at that. What a mystery.. Yet they also want to claim they have nothing to do with any bad things USSR's armies did while at it. Nope, not gonna play the Schrodinger's continuity of Russia and Soviet Union game.

You know what, ot is your country, you do what you want.
But USSR invading or not, the Wermacht would have steamrolled you and Poland them was a very different beast from what it is now, with lots more Germans, Belarussians and "Ukrainians" in it.

Whatever, alternative history, as conveniently shaped from your side as all the other pro-Russia narratives you parrot.

Neocon stupidity.

The fuck do neocon stupidity in ME has to do with Ukraine.

Hey, I already told you, on Katyn I am on your side, no poi t in complaining more about it.
But they still have a monument to what happened and they acknowledged it, with the commie party being the usual annoying bitch.

Well it is the systemic opposition in Russia, that's a problem of one party state, if the current establishment didn't want any backtracking, there wouldn't be, we know who approved the political decisions. And Solovyov is not commie party...

You mean the same Astra Zeneka vaccine that was pulled for being dangerous?

Yes, that one.

Gadaffi was actually stopping the African migrants and Libya was fairly stable under his control.
Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan produced less migrants before the USA decided to build democracy and replace the Taliban with the Taliban.

Forgotten how he was openly threatening to not stop them?
Also Afghanistan produced plenty enough refugees long before 2001.

Yes, Africa and parts of the middle east are shitholes, but the refugee waves of parasites will not lessen of your favorite sugar daddy stops bombing them into "democracy".

Do you think i of all people will play along with your copying of anti western SJW shitty homework of "OMG those migrants come from countries bombed by the West"?

>Ree, you disagree with murika bombing shit and wasting money and driving more useless third worlders to Yurup do I leftist.
SJW levels of logic right there.

The actual US occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan don't even get to top 5. Top 5 contains 3 countries that Europeans pay to go to for cheap vacation lol.

Ron Paul and many libertarians and paleocons and foreign policy realists do not support the MIC's interventionalism, neither did Trump.
So, are we all crypto commies paid by Putin?

Foreign policy "realists" are a silly delusional minority of US foreign policy establishment that you bring up solely because they agree with you to the point of being weak on Russian interest pushing, what next, the people who call themselves bolsheviks must represent the majority?

The same Osama thsr was found hiding in an US ally country and the same Saddam that had no WMDs?

Frenemy, not ally.

Musharraf: U.S. Threatened to Bomb Pakistan to the Stone Age

President Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan says the United States threatened to bomb his country back to the Stone Age after the 9/11 attacks.

www.foxnews.com

Now, you are obviously trying to suck up to big daddy USA and the few remaining rebid neocucks on here.

Whatever, better neocons than leftists, hippies and assorted anti-westerners.

Yeah, sure, we have multiple high level people corroborating my side of the story, bub, keep lying.

Lol.

Funny that, since since only 39% support an alliance with the EU and NATO

Then go and fucking vote them out. Oh, right, the huge bunch of undecided that you didn't mention puts it in a different perspective, so can't vote them out.
Meanwhile by Pew:

Funny enough, in all of Europe, and especially Bulgaria, supporting NATO is apparently a right wing thing

With the poll probably being shit because it is a package deal.
We wanted into the EU, we do not care that much about NATO, and to the extent that we do it is because we can mooch off of other people for defense.

Oh, lol, Armenian news.

As Finland, Sweden, Turkey and several others have shown it's not a package deal. You took the deal you wanted, if you expected that to work great with double dipping into Russia alliance aswell, well then, you were a bit delusional.

 

[Bacle]

 

[Agent23]

Sure Bulgarian, surely you are an expert on Central Europe and its dealings with Russia, your opinion is equally invalid by that standard.

I have actually read books on the matter, unlike the serial google cherrypicker I have to deal with.

You don't have the money, the mountains, the positioning nor the culture, so wishful thinking.

Neither did Singapore, it was a shithole 50 years ago.
Mountains we don't need, money we can get I'd we can get the right people in power.Only the culture is the problem.

And no one gives a shit, it was a part of Poland for a long time too, so fuck that noise. It was feudal age with all its quirks, then feudalism fell and a lot of what is known as modern nations formed around 17th-19th century, and Ukrainians are one of those, and it is where it is. Many European states got forever divided into several countries of separate nationality even though for some parts of history they were united under one king and no one whines about that anymore, Russia should learn from that, if it was good enough for France, Britain and the like, it's only a grand feat of Muscovite arrogance that they consider themselves better than this so that they can play hotel california and never let it go like islamists with Al-Andalus.

Blah blah, muh colonialism, blah blah.
Decolonize the German regions and return them to their rightful owners, then you can bitch.

>seek
Keep your narrative for more naive people, Moscow had no problem with their puppet mooching money from naive westerners, they had enough of a burden floating up his crappy economy themselves.

Keep your obsessive screeching for your neocon buddies, they are all getting old and their ears are not what they used to be.

The point is that it didn't stick as he was not going to leave Moscow and its influence behind, it was all just a dog and pony show to separate wishy washy western wannabe grand diplomats from money.

Anything thet doesn't perfectly conform to one particular jingoist Pole's desires and views is a commie stronghold/anti-western/Moscow Puppet.
Yeah sure, we have seen this film already, show another one.

Ukraine was willing to make major moves, and you can see how radically different Moscow's reaction was.

Not everyone is an eastern resource based corruptocracy obsessing about land to steal,

Yeah, sure, says the one yammering on about empire building a while back.

so stop projecting, our nationalists of all people don't want a bunch of even poorer "soviet people" than our current east who would vote for local postcommunist socialists given the option.

Your nationalists sound like they are a hell of a lot less delusional than you are.
This is one of the reasons I don't want further EU expansion, too, or did you miss that?

This is not about USA, this is about Russia and its relations with its western slavic neighboring nations, some of which it is refusing the right to exist as separate and sovereign nation-states, USA is just a distant global superpower putting some of its weight on the scales.

The USA is devolving and run by a few special interest groups and its own, soviet-like nomenclatura, they even have their own Brezhnev running shit, I can't wait until he tries to give Harrison Ford or Keefer Sutherland a presidential medal of freedom.

Where the fuck did you get the crazy idea that the tiny Qatar could be the top supplier of anything to Europe, except convenient propaganda media.

Quatari propaganda:

Qatar holds 24.7 tcm (872 tcf) of natural gas reserves, the majority of which is located in the North Field, and is the largest producer and exporter of LNG worldwide. Doha is therefore in a favourable position to weather the effects of lower commodity prices, but changing global supply and demand dynamics may challenge Qatar's dominant position.

Qatar is among the best-placed countries to survive low oil prices. Home to the world's third-largest gas reserves, the country is also the fourth-largest natural gas producer. With 77 million tonnes of LNG produced per year, Qatar accounted for a third of global LNG exports in 2013. "Most of Qatar's natural gas production comes from the North Field, where production costs have historically been lower than in other Gulf States. Doha made investments in LNG capacity to attain a dominant position in global markets, ensuring key revenues for the state," Gopal Balasubramaniam, head of oil and gas for Middle East and South Asia at global consulting company KPMG, told TOGY. Thanks to its location halfway between Europe and Asia, Qatar has become a swing supplier with the ability to steer exports towards the most attractive markets.

Qatar’s LNG advantage - The Energy Year

Qatar holds 24.7 tcm (872 tcf) of natural gas reserves, the majority of which is located in the North Field, and is the largest producer and exporter of LNG worldwide. Doha is therefore in a favourable position to weather the effects of lower commodity prices, but changing global supply and...

theenergyyear.com

Protip, actually research shit before you post random nosnsense.

As Europe tries to cut Russian ties, dependence on imported LNG deepens

The European Union has reduced the volume of natural gas from Russian pipelines, but its imports of liquefied natural gas have increased sharply.

ieefa.org

As you can see, it's massively behind USA, and it's irrelevant to Germany anyway, as it doesn't import much LNG anyway.
And if we stop looking at LNG specifically and go to natural gas in any form like we should:
Before war:

During:

The 5-8% of Qatar is totally making grand political interference schemes to increase demand, certainly not the 40% supplier nor the 30% one.

Most of the talk for us buying LNG I hear is related to Quatar, Saudi Arabia might be in on it, and probably the US shale industry, too, you know, the massively overpriced one your actions are making us dependent on.
Good job being a US trojan horse.

You have the answer above - a bunch of other suppliers, most of them already Germany's allies.

Yup, let us become even more of a bich for the US and let them control us and drag us into more of their woke shit and pointless "bomb it into democracy" games.

No one gives a shit. The people living there have formed a separate national identity over last few centuries and Russia doesn't get to go "muh historical land!", they have as much right to the land as Arabs have to southern Iberia. Sea or not sea, just makes drawing the new borders harder.

When are you turning over Poznan to the Germans again?

Sorry, they are full of Polish people, and in civilized lands we don't do fake referendums at gunpoint. Also a lot of them were Polish in further history anyway.

You mean like the Donbass is full of Russians?

Well i don't care about Russia's imperial ego more than French one, probably less in fact.

So, you will be taking in every single Pole out of Ukraine and Belarus, when?

Loaded with enough spy hardware to equip a decent recon plane.

Yup, cause the dozens of satellites orbiting in space aren't...
Also, are you implying the damned chicoms have TARDIS tech now, since that miniature payload is a hell of a lot smaller than a recon plane(a type of aircraft thet had been obsolete since satellites were invented.)
But then again, you are playing to one of the dumbest audiences on the planet, aka people ther actually buy the Neocucks shit over and over, so lack of critical thinking and the memory of a mayfly are guaranteed.

Careful there, or we will get into what nonsense Russians were up to back when Pilsudski was around, he was a fucking saint compared to that.

He tried to build some silly oversized "alliance" driven by his ego and he overstretched while managing to only piss them off further.

Yet Russians are butthurt at that. What a mystery.. Yet they also want to claim they have nothing to do with any bad things USSR's armies did while at it. Nope, not gonna play the Schrodinger's continuity of Russia and Soviet Union game.

I told you I agree with you thet they should own up on the dumb shit they did, is there a reason why you are reporting this stuff over, or do you just have a quote to fill?

Whatever, alternative history, as conveniently shaped from your side as all the other pro-Russia narratives you parrot.

You apparently think your opinion matters on the subject, well hate to break it you ya, but it does not.

The fuck do neocon stupidity in ME has to do with Ukraine.

Well it is the systemic opposition in Russia, that's a problem of one party state, if the current establishment didn't want any backtracking, there wouldn't be, we know who approved the political decisions. And Solovyov is not commie party...

>Hates the Russians.
>Is a huge consumer of Russian media.

He is a TV personality, so he probably has stupid hot takes.
Has Putin signed a decree or fone out and said that Katyn did not happen?
No.

I just love how you remind me that there is no Polish hive mind, but then turn around try to convince us Putin is the frigging Zerg Overmind.

Yes, that one.


Forgotten how he was openly threatening to not stop them?
Also Afghanistan produced plenty enough refugees long before 2001.

Yeah, remind me, with whose help did the nutjobs running the place before get to power...

Do you think i of all people will play along with your copying of anti western SJW shitty homework of "OMG those migrants come from countries bombed by the West"?

>Ree, anyone who disagrees with me when I cheerlead for bombing countries so that xrony capitalists and politicians of the MIC can make money and push their broken idiot agenda is an SJW.

No, you have tried to pull this shit before, it does not work, be a good boy and fo to the corner.

The actual US occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan don't even get to top 5. Top 5 contains 3 countries that Europeans pay to go to for cheap vacation lol.

Oh, lol, date from a full decade after Iraq and Afghanistan happened, noice cherry picking.
You can't ignore that big percentage showing Syria, though.

Foreign policy "realists" are a silly delusional minority of US foreign policy establishment that you bring up solely because they agree with you to the point of being weak on Russian interest pushing, what next, the people who call themselves bolsheviks must represent the majority?


Frenemy, not ally.

Musharraf: U.S. Threatened to Bomb Pakistan to the Stone Age

President Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan says the United States threatened to bomb his country back to the Stone Age after the 9/11 attacks.

www.foxnews.com

Whatever, better neocons than leftists, hippies and assorted anti-westerners.

Lol.

Then go and fucking vote them out. Oh, right, the huge bunch of undecided that you didn't mention puts it in a different perspective, so can't vote them out.
Meanwhile by Pew:

Funny enough, in all of Europe, and especially Bulgaria, supporting NATO is apparently a right wing thing

As Finland, Sweden, Turkey and several others have shown it's not a package deal. You took the deal you wanted, if you expected that to work great with double dipping into Russia alliance aswell, well then, you were a bit delusional.

Yup, still more cherry picked nonsense, like the stupid theory about muh spy balloon, newsflash, China has these things called 'satellites', and this balloon incident was another piece of bullshit nothing urgent Brandon pulled out of his ass to redirect attention from his other failings.

Same goes for the gibberish you post about Bulgarian and NATO, 42% support is not a majority by any stretch, and of those a lot are just doing it because they either think we will not have to do anything and get free security because it was always sold as a defensive alliance or they think it is synonymous/required to join the EU.

So, yeah, more bullshit boiling down to:

>If you do not agree with me you ain't right/are a commie.

Lol, sounds remarkably like a certain leftoid demential ridden US politician.
You are the one constently using the commie tactics.

There is zero point talking to you, as all I get are dumb lamestream media cliches, two-faced bullshit and your barely hidden torrent of saliva you produce at the thought thet you will get someone else to fight the Russians for you.
You really are pathetic, and so are the people you ass kiss.

 

[Zachowon]

Why you want to fight China instead of Russia?

I want to fight both.
I mean the right has chosen the wrong side of this fight

 

[Zachowon]

That Ballon was over 200 feet tall, and there was Chinese spy equipment on it.

 

[Marduk]

I have actually read books on the matter, unlike the serial google cherrypicker I have to deal with.

Lacking titles i assume these were books full of the bullshit you are repeating here, so worse than reading no books at all.

Neither did Singapore, it was a shithole 50 years ago.
Mountains we don't need, money we can get I'd we can get the right people in power.Only the culture is the problem.

Singapore is a bunch of islands near a bunch of third world countries, which is a valid alternative to mountains. And no getting that kind of money with the culture problem.

Blah blah, muh colonialism, blah blah.
Decolonize the German regions and return them to their rightful owners, then you can bitch.

More MUH LANDS bullshit, fuck off to robbing caravan on the steppe in 14th century or something, none of your bloody business, or go commiserate with the islamists about Spain, or otherwise rejoin some more appropriate to your customs horse riding looter warlord society.

Keep your obsessive screeching for your neocon buddies, they are all getting old and their ears are not what they used to be.

Ran out of arguments i presume.

Anything thet doesn't perfectly conform to one particular jingoist Pole's desires and views is a commie stronghold/anti-western/Moscow Puppet.
Yeah sure, we have seen this film already, show another one.

You are anti-western judging by all the arguments you brought here alone and you are shilling for Russia's interests, no hiding that, so blame yourself for all of this. And to add to irony you call me jingoistic while at it.

Yeah, sure, says the one yammering on about empire building a while back.

Your nationalists sound like they are a hell of a lot less delusional than you are.
This is one of the reasons I don't want further EU expansion, too, or did you miss that?

So invading with spec ops or armored divisions is fine exercise of a sphere of influence, but making political deals is evil western imperialism, got it.

The USA is devolving and run by a few special interest groups and its own, soviet-like nomenclatura, they even have their own Brezhnev running shit, I can't wait until he tries to give Harrison Ford or Keefer Sutherland a presidential medal of freedom.

Again, don't give a fuck, what does it have to do with Ukraine, is it some kind of pseudo right wing contrarian version of ye olde classic of Russian apologia?

Quatari propaganda:

Qatar’s LNG advantage - The Energy Year

Qatar holds 24.7 tcm (872 tcf) of natural gas reserves, the majority of which is located in the North Field, and is the largest producer and exporter of LNG worldwide. Doha is therefore in a favourable position to weather the effects of lower commodity prices, but changing global supply and...

theenergyyear.com

Protip, actually research shit before you post random nosnsense.

Yes, propaganda. I've linked actual statistics, you linked their self-promotion, get bent.

Most of the talk for us buying LNG I hear is related to Quatar, Saudi Arabia might be in on it, and probably the US shale industry, too, you know, the massively overpriced one your actions are making us dependent on.
Good job being a US trojan horse.

Would rather be US trojan horse than Russia's work horse lol. Still Russia and Norway had a bigger share for all the time green propaganda built up, but of course your adoration of Russia forbids you from thinking the green idiots are something they would inflict on you.

Yup, let us become even more of a bich for the US and let them control us and drag us into more of their woke shit and pointless "bomb it into democracy" games.

Surrender your nation's interests to Russia's old imperialism because America is woke, your shilling of Russian imperialism is reaching truly circus sized proportions. Don't give a shit, if vatniks and wokes ruin each other in a fight that's even better.

When are you turning over Poznan to the Germans again?

Fuck off back to Balkans and handle your own shit there, i think many Germans and other westerners would second that sentiment.

You mean like the Donbass is full of Russians?

Including those "Russians" who join Azov
If you want to be cheeky like that, they can have a referendum there. As soon as NATO gets to organize a referendum in every single oblast of Russian Federation regarding which country they want to be in. Deal?

So, you will be taking in every single Pole out of Ukraine and Belarus, when?

Were we ever refusing? By all international law we can't refuse Polish citizens and we wouldn't want to anyway. So far the only people we are refusing that Belarus is trying to push through the border are "tourists" from Africa and Middle East. There is that one Pole that Luka doesn't want to send even though Polish government asked though, so you got your whole argument ass backwards.
As for Ukraine, i don't think they want us out at the moment, if anything they would prefer more Poles to come over and bring big guns while at it.

Yup, cause the dozens of satellites orbiting in space aren't...
Also, are you implying the damned chicoms have TARDIS tech now, since that miniature payload is a hell of a lot smaller than a recon plane(a type of aircraft thet had been obsolete since satellites were invented.)

Please elaborate on your utter cluelessness in terms of military aerospace recon technology, we can laugh.
Didn't i teach you to shut up about stuff you have no idea about enough times?

China's spy balloon was 200 ft tall, carried payload the size of a jet

As the recovery effort continued Tuesday, China's foreign ministry said the balloon "doesn't belong to the U.S."

www.newsweek.com

The Chinese high-altitude balloon shot down over the Atlantic off the coast of South Carolina over the weekend was 200 feet tall and carried a payload the size of a regional airliner, a U.S. Air Force general said in a briefing on Monday.

But then again, you are playing to one of the dumbest audiences on the planet, aka people ther actually buy the Neocucks shit over and over, so lack of critical thinking and the memory of a mayfly are guaranteed.

Try to get someone dumber than yourself to fall for optical distance/scaling disorientation regarding unfamiliar objects.

He tried to build some silly oversized "alliance" driven by his ego and he overstretched while managing to only piss them off further.

And again, your opionion is shit and no one cares about it.

I told you I agree with you thet they should own up on the dumb shit they did, is there a reason why you are reporting this stuff over, or do you just have a quote to fill?

Yet they don't, so there you go, we're not dealing with Russia of anyone's ideal, we are dealing with the bullshitting Russia that exists.

You apparently think your opinion matters on the subject, well hate to break it you ya, but it does not.

>Hates the Russians.
>Is a huge consumer of Russian media.

He is a TV personality, so he probably has stupid hot takes.
Has Putin signed a decree or fone out and said that Katyn did not happen?
No.

I just love how you remind me that there is no Polish hive mind, but then turn around try to convince us Putin is the frigging Zerg Overmind.

For one if Putin wants something to not be on Russian mainstream TV, it ends up not being there, and you can't tell me otherwise.

Yeah, remind me, with whose help did the nutjobs running the place before get to power...

Well who invaded it earlier and had a war over there before?

>Ree, anyone who disagrees with me when I cheerlead for bombing countries so that xrony capitalists and politicians of the MIC can make money and push their broken idiot agenda is an SJW.

Ah, so when USA bombs some third world shithole, it's crony capitalists and MIC making money while pushing an idiot agenda, but when Russia does a major invasion in Europe, the biggest war in Europe since WW2, that's something you shill for? Yeah... We live in clown world, and it is truly a world of people like you.

No, you have tried to pull this shit before, it does not work, be a good boy and fo to the corner.

You are pulling orders of magnitude greater shit right now, down, boy.

Oh, lol, date from a full decade after Iraq and Afghanistan happened, noice cherry picking.
You can't ignore that big percentage showing Syria, though.

After a certain event that happened in 2014 and was for some reason called the migrant crisis of 2014. Google it, you might learn something. Somehow we don't hear of another "migrant crisis" that happened right around Iraq and Afghanistan, what a mystery.

Yup, still more cherry picked nonsense, like the stupid theory about muh spy balloon, newsflash, China has these things called 'satellites', and this balloon incident was another piece of bullshit nothing urgent Brandon pulled out of his ass to redirect attention from his other failings.

I fucking called it, keep shilling for China for a change to further show what a kneejerk anti-western contrarian you are, sure China was a good boy and never does anything stupid and has the bestest satellites.

Same goes for the gibberish you post about Bulgarian and NATO, 42% support is not a majority by any stretch, and of those a lot are just doing it because they either think we will not have to do anything and get free security because it was always sold as a defensive alliance or they think it is synonymous/required to join the EU.

If you don't count the 30% or so undecided it's close enough, and i don't care about your excuse spinning for why they totally don't think what they said they think, i could blame the fact that it's not 99% on Russian media influence bullshit.

So, yeah, more bullshit boiling down to:

>If you do not agree with me you ain't right/are a commie.

Lol, sounds remarkably like a certain leftoid demential ridden US politician.
You are the one constently using the commie tactics.

I'd rather steal commie tactics than commie political positions and arguments

There is zero point talking to you, as all I get are dumb lamestream media cliches, two-faced bullshit and your barely hidden torrent of saliva you produce at the thought thet you will get someone else to fight the Russians for you.
You really are pathetic, and so are the people you ass kiss.

Sure, anything that isn't shilling the most glorious Russian Empire under Putin the First is lamestream mainstream cliche, you are lower than pathetic, you are a living joke, who shills for glorified warlords and other backwards scum all over the world.

 

[King Arts]

I want to fight both.
I mean the right has chosen the wrong side of this fight

Funny I want to fight neither.
But it’s stupid liberal lies like the last sentence that annoys me. The right did not choose a side in the fight neocons always say this to the isolationists like we either support Ukraine or Russia. No most isolationists on the right support neither can you point to anyone on the right who is advocating we bomb or invade Ukraine and help the Russians and then force our soldiers to shake the hands of the Russians when they meet? Because that’s what it means to support Russia over Ukraine. There are two groups on the right those who support Ukraine against Russia and those who are neutral and don’t give a fuck about either.

 

[Zachowon]

Funny I want to fight neither.
But it’s stupid liberal lies like the last sentence that annoys me. The right did not choose a side in the fight neocons always say this to the isolationists like we either support Ukraine or Russia. No most isolationists on the right support neither can you point to anyone on the right who is advocating we bomb or invade Ukraine and help the Russians and then force our soldiers to shake the hands of the Russians when they meet? Because that’s what it means to support Russia over Ukraine. There are two groups on the right those who support Ukraine against Russia and those who are neutral and don’t give a fuck about either.

No, the right seems to be buying I to everything the Russians say.
Look at the covservapedia article this conflict.
This is literally the right eating up Ruddian propaganda helping push the pro Russian sentiment for elections

 

[King Arts]

No, the right seems to be buying I to everything the Russians say.
Look at the covservapedia article this conflict.
This is literally the right eating up Ruddian propaganda helping push the pro Russian sentiment for elections

Ok where are the conservatives who are calling for America to bomb and invade Ukraine to help the Russians then?

 

[Zachowon]

Ok where are the conservatives who are calling for America to bomb and invade Ukraine to help the Russians then?

Neocons.
Warmongers.

 

[Blasterbot]

Neocons.
Warmongers.

you think the neocons want to bomb Ukraine and help Russia? Zach go to sleep. you drunk.

 

[Marduk]

No, the right seems to be buying I to everything the Russians say.
Look at the covservapedia article this conflict.
This is literally the right eating up Ruddian propaganda helping push the pro Russian sentiment for elections

Conservapedia editors are representative of... who the fuck knows. It doesn't take more than a handful of people to run even a decently sized wiki. There are all sorts of minor weirdo groups that have their own wikis, and the established ones can have incredibly nasty internal politics too.

Funny I want to fight neither.
But it’s stupid liberal lies like the last sentence that annoys me. The right did not choose a side in the fight neocons always say this to the isolationists like we either support Ukraine or Russia. No most isolationists on the right support neither can you point to anyone on the right who is advocating we bomb or invade Ukraine and help the Russians and then force our soldiers to shake the hands of the Russians when they meet? Because that’s what it means to support Russia over Ukraine. There are two groups on the right those who support Ukraine against Russia and those who are neutral and don’t give a fuck about either.

I think isolationists are just the flat earthers of geopolitics, no matter if we are talking about them in the context of Russia, Asia or ME. People living with their head in clouds, and some of them more malicious actors pretending to be so delusional to hide some other agenda. It's almost completely a domain of wishy washy, easily guilted westerners, there are no remotely influential isolationist movements in competing powers, especially those said isolationists often excuse. If it's such a great idea, why isn't the competition even considering it, and in fact forcing isolationism on a country is widely recognized as a severe sanction?
If, say Russia, China, or North Korea adopted isolationism and then over the next half century turned into something that looks like Switzerland, it would have been a pretty strong argument for isolationism, but we all know they won't, and if they did, it absolutely wouldn't look so nice.
But as things stands, i think the worldwide agreement is that isolationism is a great idea... to push on one's enemies. So why would you want your country to do it?
If it's so great, let's be altruistic and make Russia and China do it as an experiment.

That said, interventionists can sometimes be an equally mindless mirror image of isolationists. Pretending the rest of the world doesn't do things that affect you if you don't touch it is childish, but so is pretending that any intervention, no matter how poorly thought out and misguided, is automatically a good idea, though in many cases that sort of lobbying may be just smoke cover for plain for profit corruption.

 

[King Arts]

Neocons.
Warmongers.

Umm Zach Neocons want us to bomb Russia to help Ukraine.
Right now the left is generally in support of Neocons (except for a few wacko commies with Soviet nostalgia)

On the right there is more diversity there are the neocons like above, but there are also isolationists who want to do nothing. There is no group that wants an alliance with Russia against Ukraine.

Note the example I gave of the three options is at their most extreme pro russia, pro ukraine, neutral. But you can be pro ukraine like me where it's a mild support where I think Russia is wrong and we should give supplies and some weapons to help Ukraine because we do want Ukraine as a buffer. But we don't want to escalate the war or think a general war against Russia is good.

I think isolationists are just the flat earthers of geopolitics, no matter if we are talking about them in the context of Russia, Asia or ME. People living with their head in clouds, and some of them more malicious actors pretending to be so delusional to hide some other agenda. It's almost completely a domain of wishy washy, easily guilted westerners, there are no remotely influential isolationist movements in competing powers, especially those said isolationists often excuse.

You say we can't be isolationist not towards Russia, Asia, or EVEN the middle east. Really? Why is every part of the globe important is there not one group that we can just ignore?

I would say the reason why those who aren't pro west have not been isolationist in recent years is because the west forced them to stop being isolationist. I would point to Japan and China both of those nations were perfectly fine to focus inward until westerners opened them to trade forcefully in the 1800's.

If it's such a great idea, why isn't the competition even considering it, and in fact forcing isolationism on a country is widely recognized as a severe sanction?

I don't think any nation has been forced to implement isolationism by a victor after winning. They don't demand the enemy stop all interaction with other nations they demand that the enemy now become a protectorate/ally/puppet and interact with them and their allies instead and implement those policies that they like.

If you are aware of one that did that I'd be happy to see it.

If, say Russia, China, or North Korea adopted isolationism and then over the next half century turned into something that looks like Switzerland, it would have been a pretty strong argument for isolationism, but we all know they won't, and if they did, it absolutely wouldn't look so nice.
But as things stands, i think the worldwide agreement is that isolationism is a great idea... to push on one's enemies. So why would you want your country to do it?
If it's so great, let's be altruistic and make Russia and China do it as an experiment.

I'd actually be happy to do this if we could best those nations without causing nuclear war. I'd love if we had a war with Iran or anyone really and instead of demanding they implement internal laws "be more democratic" or whatever we just tell them they are not allowed to engage in any diplomacy with other foreign nations. They basically have to withdraw all of their ambassadors back home. Maybe we allow foreign nations to send representatives to them so that they are aware of what other nations are doing. No invasions no interactions with the outside but inside their borders they can do what they want.

 

[mrttao]

On the right there is more diversity there are the neocons like above, but there are also isolationists who want to do nothing. There is no group that wants an alliance with Russia against Ukraine.

Probably very small amount.
Although there is a fast growing minority who reached 21% of all americans, who view putin in a positive light.

Americans in favor of putin rose from from 15% all the way up to 21% despite nonstop propaganda.

The video actually shows a Putin speech.
Where he does not talk about "empire" or any such.
No, he talks about fighting for religion against the evils of the woke cultists and the horror that the groomer movement is inflicting upon children.

 

[Agent23]

Lacking titles i assume these were books full of the bullshit you are repeating here, so worse than reading no books at all.

Learn to read, I cited all of them whenever I brought up the relevant subjects.

Singapore is a bunch of islands near a bunch of third world countries, which is a valid alternative to mountains. And no getting that kind of money with the culture problem.

Lol, no geography knowledge, either.

More MUH LANDS bullshit, fuck off to robbing caravan on the steppe in 14th century or something, none of your bloody business, or go commiserate with the islamists about Spain, or otherwise rejoin some more appropriate to your customs horse riding looter warlord society.

Ree.

Ran out of arguments i presume.

Yeah, no, , my name is not Marduk, you, on the other hand, ran out of arguments and are just repeating yourself ad nausium.

You are anti-western judging by all the arguments you brought here alone and you are shilling for Russia's interests, no hiding that, so blame yourself for all of this. And to add to irony you call me jingoistic while at it.

Oh, look, you learned a new word and immediately started using it, wrong.

The west is a woke clusterfuck, especially the USA.
And they are in it for themselves, occasionally for some voters coming from eastern Europe, but only if the MIC needs to make money and for some rivals to get fucked over.
All their military interventions were total bullshit, ineffective, left a huge mess and we're done to further crony interests or keep the USA's rop dog position.
Now, they are fucking over Europe and trying to keep it under tighter control so they can drag it along into more pointless shit that does not serve any European interests.

So invading with spec ops or armored divisions is fine exercise of a sphere of influence, but making political deals is evil western imperialism, got it.

Oh, look, more pointless nonsense.

Again, don't give a fuck, what does it have to do with Ukraine, is it some kind of pseudo right wing contrarian version of ye olde classic of Russian apologia?

Reee.

Yes, propaganda. I've linked actual statistics, you linked their self-promotion, get bent.

Would rather be US trojan horse than Russia's work horse lol. Still Russia and Norway had a bigger share for all the time green propaganda built up, but of course your adoration of Russia forbids you from thinking the green idiots are something they would inflict on you.

Surrender your nation's interests to Russia's old imperialism because America is woke, your shilling of Russian imperialism is reaching truly circus sized proportions. Don't give a shit, if vatniks and wokes ruin each other in a fight that's even better.

Fuck off back to Balkans and handle your own shit there, i think many Germans and other westerners would second that sentiment.

Including those "Russians" who join Azov
If you want to be cheeky like that, they can have a referendum there. As soon as NATO gets to organize a referendum in every single oblast of Russian Federation regarding which country they want to be in. Deal?

Were we ever refusing? By all international law we can't refuse Polish citizens and we wouldn't want to anyway. So far the only people we are refusing that Belarus is trying to push through the border are "tourists" from Africa and Middle East. There is that one Pole that Luka doesn't want to send even though Polish government asked though, so you got your whole argument ass backwards.
As for Ukraine, i don't think they want us out at the moment, if anything they would prefer more Poles to come over and bring big guns while at it.


Please elaborate on your utter cluelessness in terms of military aerospace recon technology, we can laugh.
Didn't i teach you to shut up about stuff you have no idea about enough times?

China's spy balloon was 200 ft tall, carried payload the size of a jet

As the recovery effort continued Tuesday, China's foreign ministry said the balloon "doesn't belong to the U.S."

www.newsweek.com

Try to get someone dumber than yourself to fall for optical distance/scaling disorientation regarding unfamiliar objects.

Oh, and how much of thet is actually useful payload as opposed to solar panels?
And again, the use of recon aircraft had been limited greatly because of these things called satellites.
More idiocy.

And again, your opionion is shit and no one cares about it.

Says the constently bitching Pole that can't stop wasting my time.

Yet they don't, so there you go, we're not dealing with Russia of anyone's ideal, we are dealing with the bullshitting Russia that exists.

For one if Putin wants something to not be on Russian mainstream TV, it ends up not being there, and you can't tell me otherwise.

Yeah, I am sure he micromanaged every single thing every tv steriob days or does not say... He is the Zerg Overmind, we now just need Kerrigan.

Well who invaded it earlier and had a war over there before?

Ah, so when USA bombs some third world shithole, it's crony capitalists and MIC making money while pushing an idiot agenda, but when Russia does a major invasion in Europe, the biggest war in Europe since WW2, that's something you shill for? Yeah...

Russia has a miryad of legitimate interests there and the Banderite regime are murderous ass holes, none of the gibberish you have posted had changed my mind and your opinion on the topic, or rether your whatsboutosm, is irrelevant.

We live in clown world, and it is truly a world of people like you.

>Reee,more ad hominem.
Paid NAFO shill.

You are pulling orders of magnitude greater shit right now, down, boy.

>More ree.

After a certain event that happened in 2014 and was for some reason called the migrant crisis of 2014. Google it, you might learn something. Somehow we don't hear of another "migrant crisis" that happened right around Iraq and Afghanistan, what a mystery.

The 2015 European migrant crisis, also known internationally as the Syrian refugee crisis,[2][3] was a period of significantly increased movement of refugees and migrants into Europe in 2015, the most in a single year since World War II.[4] They were mostly Syrians,[5] but also included significant numbers of Afghans, Nigerians, Pakistanis, Iraqis, Eritreans,[6] and the Balkans[7]. Several factors can be attributed to the rise of asylum seekers. The various wars in the Middle East and the fact that Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt stopped accepting Syrian asylum seekers.

Yeah, sure.

I fucking called it, keep shilling for China for a change to further show what a kneejerk anti-western contrarian you are, sure China was a good boy and never does anything stupid and has the bestest satellites.

Yeah, cause they can't do something the USSR and the USA managed in the 70s and 80s?

If you don't count the 30% or so undecided it's close enough, and i don't care about your excuse spinning for why they totally don't think what they said they think, i could blame the fact that it's not 99% on Russian media influence bullshit.

But we will if we disregard x, y, z...
Yeah, no you don't.
Nothing there about supporting Ukraine or shooting ourselves in the foot.

I'd rather steal commie tactics than commie political positions and arguments

Aww, ain't thet cute, the NAFO shill is finally owning up to some of his bullshit.

Sure, anything that isn't shilling the most glorious Russian Empire under Putin the First is lamestream mainstream cliche, you are lower than pathetic, you are a living joke, who shills for glorified warlords and other backwards scum all over the world.

>More empty ree.
Oh so the EIA is also propaganda I assume:

Natural gas

• Qatar's estimated proved natural gas reserves were 843 trillion cubic feet (Tcf) as of December 2022, third after Russia and Iran and just ahead of the United States (Figure 4). Qatar holds 11% of the world's proved natural gas reserves and almost 30% of the Middle East's reserves (Figure 4).25 Qatar's vast natural gas reserves reside primarily in the giant offshore North Gas Field, which is known as South Pars on the Iranian side of the Persian Gulf.

International - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)
Your so called sources are bullshit.

 

[ATP]

Probably very small amount.
Although there is a fast growing minority who reached 21% of all americans, who view putin in a positive light.

Putin could made deal with USA against China,save Siberia,and in future get Ukraine,Poland,Baltics,and whatever he wonted.
He choosed war,becouse belived that Ukraine would fall in week.

Which made him idiot,who destroyed kgbstan,and would gave Siberia to China.

So,it is normal,that american like him.He destroyed kgbstan for them,when Biden wanted save that monster.
To be honest,i hope that Putin would rule till only Moscov would belong to kgb.Then he could die.

Worst thing could happen now - soe kgb dude kill him,widraw from Ukraine,say that he is liberal,USA support him...
And in 2040 he invade both Ukraine and Poland with army made in USA for him.

 

[Agent23]

Putin could made deal with USA against China,save Siberia,and in future get Ukraine,Poland,Baltics,and whatever he wonted.
He choosed war,becouse belived that Ukraine would fall in week.

ATP, my fellow Slav and Anime waifu enjoyer, can you, please, explain to me why in God's Name the Russians need or want to genocide you Poles or what resources they might want from you and that you do not have already?

 

[Marduk]

You say we can't be isolationist not towards Russia, Asia, or EVEN the middle east. Really? Why is every part of the globe important is there not one group that we can just ignore?

Because it is a grand strategy scale of sticking your head in the sand and pretending the things you don't see aren't happening. Sure, in specific scenarios you can make proper national interest arguments as to why certain specific events somewhere are not relevant to you, but that requires far more analysis. Blanket "Isolationism, fuck everything" is just mindless.

I would say the reason why those who aren't pro west have not been isolationist in recent years is because the west forced them to stop being isolationist. I would point to Japan and China both of those nations were perfectly fine to focus inward until westerners opened them to trade forcefully in the 1800's.

Again, consider the circumstances of it. And then consider whether they, with that experience in mind, consider that a great idea they wish they can return to as soon as possible.

I don't think any nation has been forced to implement isolationism by a victor after winning. They don't demand the enemy stop all interaction with other nations they demand that the enemy now become a protectorate/ally/puppet and interact with them and their allies instead and implement those policies that they like.

See: North Korea as example of partial isolationism forced by enemies.

If you are aware of one that did that I'd be happy to see it.

I'd actually be happy to do this if we could best those nations without causing nuclear war. I'd love if we had a war with Iran or anyone really and instead of demanding they implement internal laws "be more democratic" or whatever we just tell them they are not allowed to engage in any diplomacy with other foreign nations. They basically have to withdraw all of their ambassadors back home. Maybe we allow foreign nations to send representatives to them so that they are aware of what other nations are doing. No invasions no interactions with the outside but inside their borders they can do what they want.

So would i, but by the logic i've explained above - it's an idea so awesome everyone wants their enemies to adopt it, it's just that no one wants to adopt it themselves, how curious.

And the representatives are not so important, the covert ops, influence ops, and trade are important, it's basically "global outrage sanctions" but on steroids.

Learn to read, I cited all of them whenever I brought up the relevant subjects.

Sorry but i did not lend you that kind of real estate in my head.

Lol, no geography knowledge, either.

Ree.

Yeah, no, , my name is not Marduk, you, on the other hand, ran out of arguments and are just repeating yourself ad nausium.

Oh, look, you learned a new word and immediately started using it, wrong.

Fuck off with that childish shit that you always resort to when your preferred baseless assumption about how certain things should work do not get accepted on face value.

Also, speaking of geography knowledge:

Singapore - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The country's territory is composed of one main island, 63 satellite islands and islets, and one outlying islet; the combined area of these has increased by 25% since the country's independence as a result of extensive land reclamation projects.

What the fuck did i say? It's made of islands, stop being a mooing lolcow.

The west is a woke clusterfuck, especially the USA.

And Russia is a postcommunist\neoimperialist clusterfuck. We are neither Russia nor USA, we have our interests, and we have diplomacy meant to serve them by interacting with other countries. Get it?

And they are in it for themselves, occasionally for some voters coming from eastern Europe, but only if the MIC needs to make money and for some rivals to get fucked over.
All their military interventions were total bullshit, ineffective, left a huge mess and we're done to further crony interests or keep the USA's rop dog position.
Now, they are fucking over Europe and trying to keep it under tighter control so they can drag it along into more pointless shit that does not serve any European interests.

Anti-western whining, if USA is so weak how does it get away with half assed efforts everywhere and still get what it wants half the time. As things stand, some of their rivals are also our rivals, and that's a completely traditional and obvious basis for an alliance.
>European interests
FFS besides simping for Russian Empire resurrection attempts you simp for French half assed one too?
Ok then, from now on every time you complain about some stupid EU regulation i will remind you that you want this.
There are no "European interests", there are French interests, there is advertising, and there is EU overreach which should be limited to being a trade union.
Sorry, De Gaulle is dead, and France is not what it used to be in his days.

Oh, look, more pointless nonsense.

Reee.

More childish tantrum.

Oh, and how much of thet is actually useful payload as opposed to solar panels?

Of course it's classified as of now. But check out the payloads of recon planes and drones that have them known and you will know it's certainly enough.

And again, the use of recon aircraft had been limited greatly because of these things called satellites.
More idiocy.

>limited
Then why do all the major powers still run recon variants of transports, fighter jets, even some usually old specialized airframes, and a gallery of recon drones of varying performance envelope that are the real thing replacing, and in many ways massively expanding the de facto reconnisance asset fleets? Congratulations on revealing your 16 year old level of smartass understanding of the matter "hahaha no one needs this shit because satellites exist". Drones of course are a popular way to do recon aircraft because you can be cheeky with them and don't need to deal with the matter of dead/captured pilot in case it gets shot down like in certain historical events - and obviously, that balloon was also a kind of a drone.

AVIC WZ-8 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

List of United States Air Force reconnaissance aircraft - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Recon planes, limited greatly, no one would do that anymore, satellites.

Says the constently bitching Pole that can't stop wasting my time.

Usual childish tantrum.

Yeah, I am sure he micromanaged every single thing every tv steriob days or does not say... He is the Zerg Overmind, we now just need Kerrigan.

Implying he doesn't have people to do it for him. And speaking TV managing, the prospect any politically no-no topic appearing on the TV there is at this point somehow handled, so i assume it would work by that route.

Russia has a miryad of legitimate interests there and the Banderite regime are murderous ass holes, none of the gibberish you have posted had changed my mind and your opinion on the topic, or rether your whatsboutosm, is irrelevant.

They may be legitimate to their simps of course, but i do not give a shit how they feel.
Also whining about murderous assholes and legitimate interests while simping for fucking Russia of all places, come on, you are the avatar of clown world right now.
It's like whining about too much socialism and lack of free markets but also praising the economy of North Korea.

>Reee,more ad hominem.
Paid NAFO shill.

>More ree.



Yeah, sure.

More childish tantrum, i see you lost again.

Yeah, cause they can't do something the USSR and the USA managed in the 70s and 80s?

Costs and capabilities... USA still kept using SR-71 despite having all that stuff.

But we will if we disregard x, y, z...
Yeah, no you don't.
Nothing there about supporting Ukraine or shooting ourselves in the foot.

Of course any poll that is not packaged with your favored propaganda is invalid

Aww, ain't thet cute, the NAFO shill is finally owning up to some of his bullshit.

Celebrate while you can vodkaboo.

>More empty ree.
Oh so the EIA is also propaganda I assume:

International - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)
Your so called sources are bullshit.

And the fuck does it have to do with anything? Qatar is still not selling most of that to Europe, never was, and your cource agreed, so it's an exercise in handwaving.

It also agrees that it's still in the same scale export wise as Norwar (which unlike Qatar sends mostly to Europe) and Russia (ditto).

So yeah, the scheme to get Europe to buy more gas, the country selling little gas to Europe is totally suspicious just because it's there, it has reserves for a long time and you don't like, not the ones who already have set up deals and infrastructure for it (and let's not talk about that little known thingy Norway has with the EU where it can give EU member money by spending them on woke agenda pushing), and certainly not the one that's the largest exporter by far because you simp for it.