Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

[Bacle]

I'm open to the possibility; but so far, all I'm seeing here is allegations, not proof.

Fair, and a reasonable view.

I believe it because the stuff that has come out since Russia decide to attempt their full scale invasion of Ukraine and their attempted intel operations there and elsewhere.

I don't think Trump was a Russian stooge or that BS, however Russian intel ops have a long track record of trying to meddle in internal western political affairs, this one was just more blatant and frankly amateurish than most.

 

[Zachowon]

Would make sense they want to get people who don't wanna support Ukraine into office

 

[ATP]

He lost. Alexander's empire only fell after his death.

Fighting coalition of competent states.When Alexander faced one,rest was tribes/not counting fighting in India,where he lost/

 

[Bacle]

Yeah, Ukraine will be in NATO when Russia is finally forced out.

Putin has been NATO's greatest salesman.

Edit:
Oh, and looks like a near-total export-ban to Russia is being considered by G7 nations.

US, Ukraine Allies Consider Near-Total Ban on Exports to Russia

Some of Ukraine’s key allies including the US are considering moving closer to an outright ban on most exports to Russia, a potentially significant tightening of economic pressure on President Vladimir Putin over his war.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[AmosTrask]

I am at a loss for words to describe my feelings on this one. You Americans are starting to sound like a post-Soviet state. This is the bullshit former SSRs get up to.

WTF!?

 

[King Arts]

I am at a loss for words to describe my feelings on this one. You Americans are starting to sound like a post-Soviet state. This is the bullshit former SSRs get up to.

WTF!?

Why are you buying whatever shit a progressive is obviously trying to sell you?

 

[mrttao]

I am at a loss for words to describe my feelings on this one. You Americans are starting to sound like a post-Soviet state. This is the bullshit former SSRs get up to.

WTF!?

Even with the dishonest presentation and clipping, it is very clear what she is saying. which is:

1. there is rampant voter fraud. which we should combat. 45 days of pre-voting is so long that we can't get enough people to carefully watch.

2. the democrats are giving unequal access to their preferred demographics.
She is not saying "we should deny college students the right to vote". she is saying that college students should take equal amount of effort as other demographics. and that they should eliminate the unfair access advantage democrats gave them.

This is not rocket science here. All the fake outrage by the libs screaming "voter suppression"... what bullshit.

Not that one should vote for the republicuck party anyways.
Where so called RINOs are over 90% of them.

 

[Bacle]

I am at a loss for words to describe my feelings on this one. You Americans are starting to sound like a post-Soviet state. This is the bullshit former SSRs get up to.

WTF!?

Uh, what does GOP election strategy have to do with the Russian invasion of Ukraine? This is the wrong thread for this sort of stuff.

Also, very dishonest presentation by Cohen, and dishonest manipulation of clips and media spin. Calling election integrity measures 'voter suppression laws' is classical Dem propaganda.

 

[mrttao]

I am at a loss for words to describe my feelings on this one. You Americans are starting to sound like a post-Soviet state. This is the bullshit former SSRs get up to.

WTF!?

oh. another thing.

colleges are mostly white men... of the richer segment of society too
so this special privilege for college students is a privilege for rich young white men. something they normally abhor. but it is ok now because it benefits them
quite hypocritical

 

[LordsFire]

oh. another thing.

colleges are mostly white men... of the richer segment of society too
so this special privilege for college students is a privilege for rich young white men. something they normally abhor. but it is ok now because it benefits them
quite hypocritical

More women than men in colleges these days, so it's not even that.

 

[Blasterbot]

I am at a loss for words to describe my feelings on this one. You Americans are starting to sound like a post-Soviet state. This is the bullshit former SSRs get up to.

WTF!?

This guy is really dishonest in how he is representing this. I can understand keeping an eye on left wing people and their strategies. It is useful to see how the left is going to spin the election fortification that must be maintained for their goals.

 

[AmosTrask]

Uh, what does GOP election strategy have to do with the Russian invasion of Ukraine? This is the wrong thread for this sort of stuff.

Also, very dishonest presentation by Cohen, and dishonest manipulation of clips and media spin. Calling election integrity measures 'voter suppression laws' is classical Dem propaganda.

I asked that very same question months ago when some of you were arguing over Trump. The glib TLDR response boiled down to shut up, Ukraine wouldn't exist without us and therefore American politics belongs in this forum. In less offensive terms of course.

 

[Bacle]

I asked that very same question months ago when some of you were arguing over Trump. The glib TLDR response boiled down to shut up, Ukraine wouldn't exist without us and therefore American politics belongs in this forum. In less offensive terms of course.

If the American politics is directly related to Russia's invasion of Ukraine, yes, it does; what you posted has nothing to do with Ukraine and was purely about Trump.

The post you made would be better suited in the Trump Post Election thread.

 

[Bacle]

Well, looks like mass expulsion of Russia diplo/intel staff from Germany is underway.

Hopefully the fewer Russian assets in Europe, the less Russia will know or be able to do in the west.

 

[mrttao]

Well, looks like mass expulsion of Russia diplo/intel staff from Germany is underway.

Hopefully the fewer Russian assets in Europe, the less Russia will know or be able to do in the west.

facepalm.
yes. lets close each other embassies so we can't even talk anymore. this is a great idea.
the liberal world order is really so very dedicated towards starting world war 3

 

[Marduk]

facepalm.
yes. lets close each other embassies so we can't even talk anymore. this is a great idea.
the liberal world order is really so very dedicated towards starting world war 3

>talk
Don't you guys have phones?

 

[AmosTrask]

This podcast is hilarious. The best part is that it's all true.

Am I the only one who dreams of NATO armored columns punching through the Russians and sweeping them from the field. As NATO and European air wings kill Russian air units and Air Defence? Hell keep going and kill China and its puppets. From what we've seen none of Russia's ships work. With how expensive nukes are to upkeep, Soviet nukes cost triple NATO nukes. I'm betting after the literal twelfth red line Nuke threat Russia has none.

 

[Blasterbot]

Am I the only one who dreams of NATO armored columns punching through the Russians and sweeping them from the field. As NATO and European air wings kill Russian air units and Air Defence? Hell keep going and kill China and its puppets. From what we've seen none of Russia's ships work. With how expensive nukes are to upkeep, Soviet nukes cost triple NATO nukes. I'm betting after the literal twelfth red line Nuke threat Russia has none.

You probably aren't unfortunately. You fail to understand that america is pretty much sick of war after 20+ years in the sand box. yeah you got some hawks stateside. but if as you say Russia is in no way an existential threat because all their shit is broken and their leadership is corrupt and incompetent? then the response is going to be fuck it we can stop spending so much there. If you want america to do that You are gonna have to really pump up how scary and bad they are. give them a real existential threat to america. like i dunno china invading taiwan or BRICS being a true economic threat or evil bad crazy Putler is gonna nuke all of the EU if we don't go in and end him right now like the WMDs in Iraq thing. really sell us on this. otherwise all we gonna do is fund ukraine to keep killing russians for us.

 

[Yinko]

or evil bad crazy Putler is gonna nuke all of the EU if we don't go in and end him right now like the WMDs in Iraq thing. really sell us on this. otherwise all we gonna do is fund ukraine to keep killing russians for us.

I think if Putin did nuke a populated area (it would have to be populated, couldn't just be done farm out there) then that would scare the American public enough to unleash everything on them. Which is probably why he hasn't.

 

[Blasterbot]

I think if Putin did nuke a populated area (it would have to be populated, couldn't just be done farm out there) then that would scare the American public enough to unleash everything on them. Which is probably why he hasn't.

well yeah. but they don't have to be truthful. they just have to convince Americans that it could happen. like they did with Iraq. they got a bunch of paid liars to pump out propaganda. if the goal is to get america into a slugging match with another nuclear power then they are gonna have to really step up their game here. if all of the russian equipment doesn't work and all the russian soldiers are so drunk and ineffectual they need state issued viagra to get it up then they really don't look like a big threat. If the BRICS union is going to fall apart soon then they aren't an economic threat. If Putler is going to die soon either because of the super syphilis, AIDS, brain cancer, or whatever else he supposedly has: or because he is going to be assassinated by either a foreign intelligence agency or his own corrupt and ambitious yet still incredibly incompetent underlings. then russia just isn't going to get the response he really wants. I.E. the USA and NATO going in, putting every russian to the sword, and salting the earth before they leave.