Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

[Marduk]

Ok just so I understand what you are saying. You aren't saying that nations with the same government are friendly, you are saying that democracy is special and that democracies are peaceful towards each other unlike every other government?

Like it or not, that is the case. Doesn't always work, but they sure are more peaceful than the alternatives.

And leaders of democracies do play power games against each other, less against each other because there is a greater difference the Arab saying me against my brother, me and my brother against my cousin applies here. Democracies are like brothers and the other nations are more diffrent so they can play the role of the other.

No idea what you meant there.
Democracies, combined with the price of modern war, have to concern themselves with the price the population would have to pay in money, blood and discomforts, and so the leaders who want to get elected have to think twice about escalating conflicts to war, especially full scale war against peers or near-peers, bossing around some third world shithole is less of a problem, but then again, those rarely are functional democracies, these things are correlated often.
If both of the sides in conflict are functional democracies, chances are good that by the time they arrive at war, one government will change its mind, or one country will change its government, and at least one side decides it's not worth it after all.

Meanwhile, if one, nevermind both sides are lead by autocrats who even if they don't let absolute power drive them crazy are in a position where unwavering appearance of strength in any relations is literally a matter of life in comfort or death by a more ruthless underling, a war can happen much more easily.

As for why Japan does not try to stop the US from being in Asia. Umm well they did it was ww2, they failed lol. Same reason why the Warsaw Pact did not directly contest the Soviets. The Russians were stronger.

But Japan is a fully independent country now, and a major power at that, unlike WP members, even more than Germany, which has more notable desires to contest US strategic influence.

A hypothetical democratic China would still be China the nation with the largest population in the world as long as they are moderately competent they would be a peer of the US. A peer won't accept being a junior partner that would cause tension.

What do they care? They have a country to rebuild from the economic and cultural devastation of CCP. Ego battles over who is "junior partner" or not is something the likes of Putin or Xi are naturally dragged into, but democracies? Leaders change, cliques change, goals change. They could start a virtue signalling match over green bullshit. They could get everyone into tracking vs industrial numbers like USA and Japan had with their economic competition in the middle of Cold War. Or they could restart the space race to mog on US history and current state of NASA.
But the chances that for some reason t hey would have to just 1:1 copy CCP's ambition to dominate Asia and the world by hook or crook are just low.

Banana Wars - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Umm the U.S. has intervened in Latin America for a long time. It was not just a cold war thing to keep the communists out. Even before the soviet union existed the US invaded South American nations before the communists were even a threat. The US is not a better empire than China or Russia. From what I've seen and read it seems like nations that live close to Imperial powers hate them, while their clients/junior partners that live far away like them. For example Eastern Europe hates Russia (for good reason) yet Russian allies in the middle east or Africa like them. China's neighbors in Asia hate them, yet it's partners in Africa don't mind them, and if the US went into full isolation or yellowstone erupted Europe would happily ally with China to check Russia. Just the same America's southern neighbors don't like U.S. foreign policy and have legitimate grievances that is why they were buddy buddy with Russia back in the day. They did not just wake up one morning and say fuck America no nation just decides out of the blue they hate someone it's more complicated than that.

Are you for real?
>poor totally moderate not commie socialists
>poor Spanish Empire
>poor banditos
Yeah, i'll play the world's smallest violin for them. Many have had a direct comparison between Russia and USA, and those generally choose USA.

You are saying that changing the system to a democracy like America would magically change the system how? The Taiwan situation would be fixed I'll grant you, but the Uigers and Tibet would not. The US does not allow states to secede why would an America style democracy in China?

Why not? When empires fall, shit like this happens. See: Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Soviet Union. More or less peacefully. Even then, doubt they would bother to so aggressively sinicize them as CCP does, which would alleviate the controversy a lot even without outright split. Plenty of democracies have minority troubles, they react differently to them, but generally not as strongly and outrageously as the CCP, in which case the bleeding hearts just barely are managing to get some real outrage going.

Trade disputes with south east Asia would be the same Americans say America first. As a Polish person do you agree with that? Like if you had all the power would you literally put America first or would you put Poland first? I understand that since Poland is not as strong and needs the US as an ally you might have to take unfavorable trade deals sometimes but the benefits outweigh the costs. Tell me if a democratic China would be a peer to the US why would the democratic China not say China first and do the same or similar things in south east Asia, and get in conflict with the US over other trade deals?

Of course i would put Poland first. But trade is trade, deals have to be negotiated, both sides need to agree.
The situation you are describing here is not something we need to make guesses for out of thin air, because it is very similar to the trade and legal disputes over such things as speech laws and climate bullshit between USA and EU, which is also a peer to USA by numbers, over the last decades, which definitely exist, yet are also much less intense and likely to turn into a war than the disputes with CCP run China.

 

[Agent23]

where did you get this idea from?

His source is probably the NY times.

 

[Zachowon]

Actually.
Moscow times.
And I was wrong.
Only 20% of Russians have plumbing.

Indoor Plumbing Still a Pipe Dream for 20% of Russian Households, Reports Say - The Moscow Times

More than one-fifth of Russian households do not have access to indoor plumbing, according to official statistics obtained by the RBC news website on Tuesday.

www.themoscowtimes.com

 

[Agent23]

Why do i even try, just when you accidentally drag the discussion to material and measurable things like Germany's economy, gas blackmail and energy prices, i dig out all the numbers and respectable sources, you just throw a fit about insults and muh whataboutism, because you didn't encounter these things in your usual shill materials and so you have no ready, canned reply to it. Thanks for reminding me how to treat you, Kremlin's garden tool.

I mean, I know you are a flip-flopping suckup of a hypocritical coward that will say anything to further his agenda, and you know I know it.
Then again, insanity means doing the same over and over and expecting a different result, so maaybee you shouldn't go volunteer for the Ukrainian FL and rather go see a shrink...
Nah, actually it's gonna be fine, just go over there now, you will fit just fine in Azov.

 

[Agent23]

Actually.
Moscow times.
And I was wrong.
Only 20% of Russians have plumbing.

Indoor Plumbing Still a Pipe Dream for 20% of Russian Households, Reports Say - The Moscow Times

More than one-fifth of Russian households do not have access to indoor plumbing, according to official statistics obtained by the RBC news website on Tuesday.

www.themoscowtimes.com

Yeah, you got it backwards....And your article literally says so.

 

[Marduk]

I mean, I know you are a flip-flopping suckup of a hypocritical coward that will say anything to further his agenda, and you know I know it.

Lol and you whine about being insulted. Flip-flopping? Thanks for the compliment, flip flopping would be upgrade over the shit you do, when within the same post you can shit on Poland for making EU stronger but also for making it weaker at the same time.

Then again, insanity means doing the same over and over and expecting a different result, so maaybee you shouldn't go volunteer for the Ukrainian FL and rather go see a shrink...

Oh yeah? So what do you expect to achieve with more shilling of FSB influence assets, useful idiots, and especially the last one, progressives defending totally not pro-Russian anti-war rally (hahaha, vatniks shilling for pacicuck movements in the West, when have we seen that last time).
Projection much?

Nah, actually it's gonna be fine, just go over there now, you will fit just fine in Azov.

But your propapganda pieces said that they are banderite nazis who hate eveyone not Ukrainian, and you also said don't exist since almost a year anyway after donbabwe militants and tiktok warriors mopped them up, so which one is it, do they still exist or not?
Or perhaps the glorious Russian Neo-Empire is stuck fighting Azov zombie soldiers again and again courtesy of NATO biolabs, which would explain how the most trustworthy Russian shills have to claim them being killed so many times, yet they still fight?
Can i be an Azov necromancer?

 

[Batrix2070]

Just veto every single EU piece of legislation, those for Ukraine included, until you get the money. 😏

Yeah, no, Euromaidan - Wikipedia

Seems like you are forgetting how this all started.

The entire bloc will benefit, since we are all forced to hang together.
Moreover, I don't see why we should risk all our national interests for a few NAFO bros, Ukraine, and Poland's RDS.

Look above, then read Urusula and Borrell(of insider trading in renewables fame) and Charles Michel's rhetoric.
Look at Beerpong, Putin must do a 360 (pun intended)'s rhethoric.

Oh, and do you remember what Merkel and Hollande said about Minks being a sham intended to buy time for the Ukrainians?



The USA is after the interests of its own deep state and ruling Oligarchy and pushing its own universalist nonsense, they are a bunch of New Rome wannabes, you are just a useful puppet for them.

I am talking about a more historic perspective.
Also all those states are small fish compared to your 3, probably soon to be 2 big neighbors.
And it is not like the Kiev Banderistas had a special love for you Poles.

Uh huh, sure, how much is the combined population of all your nice neighbours again?


Oh, yeah, probably not even a tenth of the combined population of your friends.

Ok, I can see that it doesn't make sense. With you like with a wall. Maybe if you collide with it you will wise up.

1) We veto anyway, it doesn't change anything.

2) It was grassroots and supported by Ukrainians who want to join the union.

3) no I didn't forget it was you just remembered it differently. Surprisingly the way the Russians want it. I still remember your shouts about those "burned by the Nazis" shortly after the invasion.

4 And I don't understand why I should sacrifice our interests so that the likes of you can continue to suck Russian cock. It's over, you got your hands on it, and now you either politely leave the EU and join Russia or shut your mouth. In your scenario, it's not you but us who will become the front country of the EU, it will then be on our shoulders to defend our borders against Russia.

You don't like the fact that we are demolishing your beautiful paradise? No problem, we don't like your paradise and we will be happy to remake it where we want it.

5, 6. I won't even comment on that, it was diplomatic nonsense to sweeten the bitterness they inflicted on the Ukrainians.

7. yes, and unfortunately it is in their interest to bring Russia and Germany to the second floor. This is, in passing, something that is in our interest. Because in your scenario we are a useful puppet but for Germany serving as their assembly plant and market. And in America's case, we serve as a vehicle to destroy the status quo that is unfavorable to us in the long run, which will of course require significant empowerment and strengthening of Poland, primarily militarily. So I ask, where are the disadvantages?

So far, being America's appendage in the universal order has proved much more useful for Poland. Because, surprisingly, this order ensures that our long-time neighbors can dream of being the quarterback and treating Poland as a political war zone among themselves.

8 Aha, three small states that together can do much more. Ukraine, on the other hand, both at the psychological level and that of the ordinary population, remembers well who helped them and who did not. Undoubtedly, there are those who don't like Poland and are dreaming of something. But it is becoming a fact that Ukraine without us could only dream of resisting for so long. Because after all, you just mentioned trust and how important it is, well see. Ukrainians trust us and look to us as a model of how a country should be built, but strangely this contradicts your nonsense so you leave out this fact.

Intriguing, isn't it?

And as for the historical perspective., you just shot yourself through. Because according to it, the time has come for Poland which will again pacify the region for four hundred years and neutralize Russia and Germany. Because contrary to popular opinion, based solely on looking at the last two hundred years, Germany and Moscow were those who were getting their hands on their attempts to conquer these lands., it's time for both sides to remember that.
Traditionally and historically, this region was subordinate to Poland and not to our neighbors who have to re-learn to live with the fact that the region between the Baltic and the Black Sea was independent of them and kept them apart.


9.Now we're pulling out the population argument, yet just today you mentioned something about trying to stop growth by not allowing EU expansion. And yet today you yourself said something about negotiating with the EU to gain autonomy at the local level. Well, you just proved to yourself that no one will count with you. Because why should France or Germany. By what magic will you convince them? Huh?


So I'll say it again, you are the usual internet parasite on this and other Russia-related threads who is simply trying to waste my and Marduk's time.

 

[King Arts]

where did you get this idea from?

No that is true, I saw a video about ukrainian granny's laughing about Russian soldiers stealing toilet seats and how they did not know how flushing worked.

Like it or not, that is the case. Doesn't always work, but they sure are more peaceful than the alternatives.

Umm I could point to the wars between Greek city states many of which were democracies like Athens or Republics. Also the medieval Italian city states frequently fought each other. If you are going to claim those aren't REAL democracies then I'd point that the majority of modern liberal democracies were made post ww2 which is an eye blink in terms of human history so we just have to wait.

No idea what you meant there.
Democracies, combined with the price of modern war, have to concern themselves with the price the population would have to pay in money, blood and discomforts, and so the leaders who want to get elected have to think twice about escalating conflicts to war, especially full scale war against peers or near-peers, bossing around some third world shithole is less of a problem, but then again, those rarely are functional democracies, these things are correlated often.
If both of the sides in conflict are functional democracies, chances are good that by the time they arrive at war, one government will change its mind, or one country will change its government, and at least one side decides it's not worth it after all.

Meanwhile, if one, nevermind both sides are lead by autocrats who even if they don't let absolute power drive them crazy are in a position where unwavering appearance of strength in any relations is literally a matter of life in comfort or death by a more ruthless underling, a war can happen much more easily.

Oh, the arab saying is "Me against my brother, me and my brother against my cousin, me my brother and my cousin against the neighbors, all of us against the foreigner." Humans always need an other to be against, world peace is impossible there is no human system no not even democracy that will guarantee it. Diffrent groups can coexist as long as there is an even diffrent other to join against. For example to you now Russia is the other. If every Russian was wiped from the face of the earth Poland would not experience peace forever in a few decades or maybe centuries you would hate another European power and they'd become the new Russia. The converse is true as well. If some greater threat that was an other to you and Russia came along eventually Poland and Russia could be allies as long as that situation remained.

War is rarely solely a cause of simple ideology, there is always a deeper economic, or strategic geopolitical reason. Autocrats may be more likely to lead to war because all it takes is one idiot as opposed to many. BUT the material condition of a large powerful China will still be against America in the pacific.

But Japan is a fully independent country now, and a major power at that, unlike WP members, even more than Germany, which has more notable desires to contest US strategic influence.

Umm now it is more independent but remember that the US did make it a puppet for a long time it removed it's right to have an army something every other nation in the world had. They had to do with a self defense force a glorified police force it was only through decades where it grew and became a de facto army.

What do they care? They have a country to rebuild from the economic and cultural devastation of CCP. Ego battles over who is "junior partner" or not is something the likes of Putin or Xi are naturally dragged into, but democracies? Leaders change, cliques change, goals change. They could start a virtue signalling match over green bullshit. They could get everyone into tracking vs industrial numbers like USA and Japan had with their economic competition in the middle of Cold War. Or they could restart the space race to mog on US history and current state of NASA.
But the chances that for some reason t hey would have to just 1:1 copy CCP's ambition to dominate Asia and the world by hook or crook are just low.

Same reason America cares for it's prestige. Oh the cassus belli won't be directly "We don't want to be junior partner!" But there will be tension there. It would make them more likely to support US enemies like Iran after all why should they care about U.S. sanctions? Why should they limit their trade because the US got pissy about what is going on in the middle east because one theocracy is chimping out? Before you say democracies don't want to deal with non liberal states I would point you to America's pet theocracy Saudi Arabia, as long as nations don't live next to each other as neighbors they can be fine with those of radically diffrent ideology. After all communists don't have a fondness for Islamists and the same holds true, it's not like they are all in a club of them all being similar and they all hate democracy. No democracy, Islamism, and Communism are all equally seperate from each other.

Also the domination of Asia is not an ego trip map painting. The Chinese are going for economic domination that actually benefits China. Resourses in this world are finite, so there will always be competition over them. Sometimes this competition will turn to war. The only way I see war stopping partly is if space colonies are made and people can get all the resources in space so that there is soo much abundance people can just go to any resource point.

Are you for real?
>poor totally moderate not commie socialists
>poor Spanish Empire
>poor banditos
Yeah, i'll play the world's smallest violin for them. Many have had a direct comparison between Russia and USA, and those generally choose USA.

Why do you keep spamming commie socialists. The soviet Union did not even exist in the 1880's and 1890's. Do you call every medieval peasant revolt against nobles a communist insurrection lol? The US interventions were caused when rebellions against the government weren't even socialistic the fighting literally damaged farms and plantations so the US moves to protect it's economic interest that is on the same level as Chinese shit.

Why not? When empires fall, shit like this happens. See: Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Soviet Union. More or less peacefully. Even then, doubt they would bother to so aggressively sinicize them as CCP does, which would alleviate the controversy a lot even without outright split. Plenty of democracies have minority troubles, they react differently to them, but generally not as strongly and outrageously as the CCP, in which case the bleeding hearts just barely are managing to get some real outrage going.

Are you saying the empire falls as opposed to changes? Even if the CCP leaves I would think the Chinese military would not let those places leave since they can see what happened with those places and don't want to deal with it when they are weaker like Russia is now with Ukraine.

Of course i would put Poland first. But trade is trade, deals have to be negotiated, both sides need to agree.
The situation you are describing here is not something we need to make guesses for out of thin air, because it is very similar to the trade and legal disputes over such things as speech laws and climate bullshit between USA and EU, which is also a peer to USA by numbers, over the last decades, which definitely exist, yet are also much less intense and likely to turn into a war than the disputes with CCP run China.

Here is the differance the EU is not an actual nation though. It's an economic agreement by European nations. There is no European army, or Nuclear deterrent. If the EU was an actual Federal nation with each country having the same rights as US states there would be a lot more friction between Europe and America.

 

[Agent23]

Lol and you whine about being insulted. Flip-flopping? Thanks for the compliment, flip flopping would be upgrade over the shit you do, when within the same post you can shit on Poland for making EU stronger but also for making it weaker at the same time.

Oh, oops, I forgot how much you love to appropriate things and hurl them back at the source cause you are a broken record.

Oh yeah? So what do you expect to achieve with more shilling of FSB influence assets, useful idiots, and especially the last one, progressives defending totally not pro-Russian anti-war rally (hahaha, vatniks shilling for pacicuck movements in the West, when have we seen that last time).
Projection much?

Bronekokoshka, focus, translate form Pole what the hell

pacicuck

is!

But your propapganda pieces said that they are banderite nazis who hate eveyone not Ukrainian, and you also said don't exist since almost a year anyway after donbabwe militants and tiktok warriors mopped them up, so which one is it, do they still exist or not?

Nah, you know they are like cockroaches, but more cowardly, turning Azovstal into scrap probably didn't get them all and there is always Aydar, or Gaidar, or a few dozen others.

And I am sure that they will love a loud Pole joining in to help them, fight, you can do lots of great work in rapid foot-based mine cleaning and sniper/artillery detection.

Or perhaps the glorious Russian Neo-Empire is stuck fighting Azov zombie soldiers again and again courtesy of NATO biolabs, which would explain how the most trustworthy Russian shills have to claim them being killed so many times, yet they still fight?
Can i be an Azov necromancer?

You can necromance a few dozen chickens and put them in armor.

😂

 

[Marduk]

Oh, oops, I forgot how much you love to appropriate things and hurl them back at the source cause you are a broken record.

You don't even understand what being a broken record means, you lolcow, throwing back your bullshit at you is not the definition of it.

Bronekokoshka, focus, translate form Pole what the hell

is!

You're not very smart, are you? It's a short for pacifist cuck, in other words, western leftist anti-war movements and other "peace" movements.

Nah, you know they are like cockroaches, but more cowardly, turning Azovstal into scrap probably didn't get them all and there is always Aydar, or Gaidar, or a few dozen others.

And I am sure that they will love a loud Pole joining in to help them, fight, you can do lots of great work in rapid foot-based mine cleaning and sniper/artillery detection.

Wow, you even know the standard Wagner tactics, if you hurry up they may even make you the commander of a penal company!

You can necromance a few dozen chickens and put them in armor.

😂

Well, guess it was pointless to ask you about expertise in NATO necromancy, gonna need to find one of those NATO biolab to learn about the creation of NATO zombie soldiers.

 

[Marduk]

Umm I could point to the wars between Greek city states many of which were democracies like Athens or Republics. Also the medieval Italian city states frequently fought each other. If you are going to claim those aren't REAL democracies then I'd point that the majority of modern liberal democracies were made post ww2 which is an eye blink in terms of human history so we just have to wait.

You can call them democracies, but they definitely weren't modern liberal democracies.
Also, if so, what were USA, Switzerland, UK and France before WW2?

Oh, the arab saying is "Me against my brother, me and my brother against my cousin, me my brother and my cousin against the neighbors, all of us against the foreigner." Humans always need an other to be against, world peace is impossible there is no human system no not even democracy that will guarantee it. Diffrent groups can coexist as long as there is an even diffrent other to join against. For example to you now Russia is the other. If every Russian was wiped from the face of the earth Poland would not experience peace forever in a few decades or maybe centuries you would hate another European power and they'd become the new Russia. The converse is true as well. If some greater threat that was an other to you and Russia came along eventually Poland and Russia could be allies as long as that situation remained.

I know that saying. But the sign of a civilization is that societies don't get stuck into a violent cycle of vendettas between tribes or clans. Greeks did it, Romans did it, modern legal systems have taken that art even further, and to a degree it also applies to the international arena.
Conflicts still happen, but some large percentage of them gets settled in a court or in a market rather than on the battlefield or in a dark alley. Those still are conflicts, but they don't count as wars.
See: USA whining about GDPR in the EU, EU whining about 1A in USA.

War is rarely solely a cause of simple ideology, there is always a deeper economic, or strategic geopolitical reason. Autocrats may be more likely to lead to war because all it takes is one idiot as opposed to many. BUT the material condition of a large powerful China will still be against America in the pacific.

True. But the point i was making is that autocrats have far more incentive to resort to war than well functioning democratic countries, not just merely being idiots sometimes, but also by having more to gain and less to lose by resorting to war.

Umm now it is more independent but remember that the US did make it a puppet for a long time it removed it's right to have an army something every other nation in the world had. They had to do with a self defense force a glorified police force it was only through decades where it grew and became a de facto army.

Well, they lost WW2, just like Germany, and rightfully so.
Now since few decades Japan has arguably the second or third navy on the whole planet despite that old paper, eclipsing even some old powers or US allies like Russia, Spain, Italy or UK.
Oh those horrors of being a US puppet.

Same reason America cares for it's prestige. Oh the cassus belli won't be directly "We don't want to be junior partner!" But there will be tension there. It would make them more likely to support US enemies like Iran after all why should they care about U.S. sanctions? Why should they limit their trade because the US got pissy about what is going on in the middle east because one theocracy is chimping out? Before you say democracies don't want to deal with non liberal states I would point you to America's pet theocracy Saudi Arabia, as long as nations don't live next to each other as neighbors they can be fine with those of radically diffrent ideology. After all communists don't have a fondness for Islamists and the same holds true, it's not like they are all in a club of them all being similar and they all hate democracy. No democracy, Islamism, and Communism are all equally seperate from each other.

But prestige doesn't necessarily have to come with pissing contests for raw power, EU of all people loves its prestige beyond reason, no wars with USA yet somehow.
As for Iran, would China's attitude really be that different than, say, France's or India's?

Also the domination of Asia is not an ego trip map painting. The Chinese are going for economic domination that actually benefits China. Resourses in this world are finite, so there will always be competition over them. Sometimes this competition will turn to war. The only way I see war stopping partly is if space colonies are made and people can get all the resources in space so that there is soo much abundance people can just go to any resource point.

China has to play the way it does now due to the limits of CCP leadership and ideology.
If you think China is an economic powerhouse now... Imagine even just the coastal part of China being run like Taiwan in 50 years.
Space mining is very much in the realm of possibility with that. So is undersea mining, dramatic improvements in domestic resource procurement infrastructure, higher technologies, and much more. They won't need to make shady deals for ports and corrupt governments, because they will have money to buy anything they need on US approved free markets and then some.

Why do you keep spamming commie socialists. The soviet Union did not even exist in the 1880's and 1890's. Do you call every medieval peasant revolt against nobles a communist insurrection lol? The US interventions were caused when rebellions against the government weren't even socialistic the fighting literally damaged farms and plantations so the US moves to protect it's economic interest that is on the same level as Chinese shit.

Ok then, so it's just plain shortcomings in historical education in your case then.
You may not know this, but socialists, communists, marxists and other assorted hanger-ons didn't begin to exist with the creation of the Soviet Union.

Paris Commune - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Who do you think was this?

History of communism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Communist Manifesto itself was published in 1848. After that, we can definitely speak of existence of communists.

Are you saying the empire falls as opposed to changes? Even if the CCP leaves I would think the Chinese military would not let those places leave since they can see what happened with those places and don't want to deal with it when they are weaker like Russia is now with Ukraine.

Depends on how CCP falls and if the replacement is actually democratic. Sometimes countries are in fact better off for shedding unruly colonies.

Here is the differance the EU is not an actual nation though. It's an economic agreement by European nations. There is no European army, or Nuclear deterrent. If the EU was an actual Federal nation with each country having the same rights as US states there would be a lot more friction between Europe and America.

Well then, if you stick to that detail, you have another huge country USA is not in much conflict with, India. Where are the US-India skirmishes or proxy wars?

 

[Agent23]

And now, for something completely different, there is this guy called Baklykov live on youtube that does walkarounds, and now he is doing one in a Russian mall/supermarket to see how the sanctions are affecting the average Russian shopper:

 

[Agent23]

Ok, I can see that it doesn't make sense. With you like with a wall. Maybe if you collide with it you will wise up.

1) We veto anyway, it doesn't change anything.

Maybe if you had more allies...

2) It was grassroots and supported by Ukrainians who want to join the union.

Yeah, sure and Timoshenko and the bad chocolate fatso hopped onto it immediately, and there is the case of those misterious snipers, and Viki "Fuck the EU" Nuland hopping over to give away cookies and pick their next government, Oliver Stone did an interesting video regarding that whole situation and what meddling led up to it, too.

3) no I didn't forget it was you just remembered it differently. Surprisingly the way the Russians want it. I still remember your shouts about those "burned by the Nazis" shortly after the invasion.

You mean when the neo-nazi tourists burned people alive in Odessa?

4 And I don't understand why I should sacrifice our interests so that the likes of you can continue to suck Russian cock. It's over, you got your hands on it, and now you either politely leave the EU and join Russia or shut your mouth. In your scenario, it's not you but us who will become the front country of the EU, it will then be on our shoulders to defend our borders against Russia.

I don't see why I should sacrifice my interests in order for you to pander to mass psychosis.
You guys do not have anything Russia actually wants, no Russian speaking minorities, no strategic resources they don't have in ample amounts, and if they try to occupy you you will be like the proverbial, what was a taralej in English again, those ugly rodents with the needles sprouting out of them that become a spiky ball, in their pants, and you will be extremely loud about it, too.

You don't like the fact that we are demolishing your beautiful paradise? No problem, we don't like your paradise and we will be happy to remake it where we want it.

Hey, if you hate the EU leave the EU, I wish you poles well and to recover of your RDS at some point, but don't drag me and the economic block I am a part of into it.

5, 6. I won't even comment on that, it was diplomatic nonsense to sweeten the bitterness they inflicted on the Ukrainians.

7. yes, and unfortunately it is in their interest to bring Russia and Germany to the second floor. This is, in passing, something that is in our interest. Because in your scenario we are a useful puppet but for Germany serving as their assembly plant and market. And in America's case, we serve as a vehicle to destroy the status quo that is unfavorable to us in the long run, which will of course require significant empowerment and strengthening of Poland, primarily militarily. So I ask, where are the disadvantages?

So far, being America's appendage in the universal order has proved much more useful for Poland. Because, surprisingly, this order ensures that our long-time neighbors can dream of being the quarterback and treating Poland as a political war zone among themselves.

8 Aha, three small states that together can do much more. Ukraine, on the other hand, both at the psychological level and that of the ordinary population, remembers well who helped them and who did not. Undoubtedly, there are those who don't like Poland and are dreaming of something. But it is becoming a fact that Ukraine without us could only dream of resisting for so long. Because after all, you just mentioned trust and how important it is, well see. Ukrainians trust us and look to us as a model of how a country should be built, but strangely this contradicts your nonsense so you leave out this fact.

Intriguing, isn't it?

Ukraine is turning into a much-diminished, broke place devoid of people, since so many ran away.

A lot of its industrial output and GDP came from exactly those areas that wanted to separate from it.

And it sounds like you are all gung-ho on throwing more good money after bad, and not your money alone, too.

And as for the historical perspective., you just shot yourself through. Because according to it, the time has come for Poland which will again pacify the region for four hundred years and neutralize Russia and Germany. Because contrary to popular opinion, based solely on looking at the last two hundred years, Germany and Moscow were those who were getting their hands on their attempts to conquer these lands., it's time for both sides to remember that.

Yeah, sure, and the old Great Protobulgaria, Volga Bulgaria, and our Danubian Bulgaria will return to their maximum teritorial gains and join together...

Yeah, sure the Polish intervention during the Time of Troubles didn't happen several acts of Polish and Lithuanian aggression before did not happen, you did not colonize the lands of modern Ukraine and force polonization.

Also, the power disparity between you and Russia and Germany is far greater now than it was back then.

Enjoy tilting at windmills without me.

Traditionally and historically, this region was subordinate to Poland and not to our neighbors who have to re-learn to live with the fact that the region between the Baltic and the Black Sea was independent of them and kept them apart.

Ah, ok, I am sure that the Czechs, Austrians, and all the other neighbors you mentioned will just love to be subordinate to you again.

9.Now we're pulling out the population argument, yet just today you mentioned something about trying to stop growth by not allowing EU expansion. And yet today you yourself said something about negotiating with the EU to gain autonomy at the local level. Well, you just proved to yourself that no one will count with you. Because why should France or Germany. By what magic will you convince them? Huh?

Look, breaking up a quote is super easy with this new interface, just go under the paragraph and hit Enter, that breaks it into two quotes and lets you respond below/above.
Super easy and intuitive.

So I'll say it again, you are the usual internet parasite on this and other Russia-related threads who is simply trying to waste my and Marduk's time.

You know where the ignore button is.

 

[Agent23]

Now, some more about sanctions and the zomg mcDonalds pulled out of Russia situation:

 

[Blasterbot]

been a while since I went to MacDonalds. they are charging like 9 dollars for a quarter pounder meal. defeats the whole point of going there when it is so expensive.

 

[Zachowon]

Yeah, you got it backwards....And your article literally says so.

I mean.
I am literally finding dozens of articles from various countries about it.
Some mentioning 1 in 4. Etc etc.
Funny thing.
Millions of Russians without toilets. Near every American has toilets.

Wierd.

And of course the big cities are doing fine.
We know most of thr conscripted soldiers are out of minority or small areas because no one will notice.

 

[Agent23]

I mean.
I am literally finding dozens of articles from various countries about it.
Some mentioning 1 in 4. Etc etc.
Funny thing.
Millions of Russians without toilets. Near every American has toilets.

Wierd.

And of course the big cities are doing fine.
We know most of thr conscripted soldiers are out of minority or small areas because no one will notice.

Dude, your article said that 20% of households do not have indoor plumbing.

Also, you do realize that Russia is frigging huge and a lot of it - very, very cold, right.
It can be hard to maintain such infrastructure when you live in a far away village where winter lasts 9 months and the temperature is below -50 Celsius during most of that time, right?

 

[Agent23]

And here we have a lovely little tweet regarding everyone's beloved Zelcho by none other than Trump Jr!

 

[Agent23]

 

[Buba]

where winter lasts 9 months

Nowhere in Russia does winter last that long. Five months max - November through March, to mid April maybe. Remember - the further north you go, the more sunlight hours you get between the equinoxes.