Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion
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LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Someone linked me a response to Hersh's claims about Nordstream:
oalexanderdk.substack.com
Short version, neither the ship he claimed planted explosives, nor any of the other ships of the same class, was remotely close to the pipeline when he says they were.
Bro, nobody is bridging any river in a short period of time without machines. Even the smallest watercourse that can be called a river, if you're making a very crude bridge using hand-tools and wood from trees that are right there, it's going to take hours to make that bridge.
Something large enough for military vehicles to cross? You're not doing that without heavy specialized machinery, period.
Debunking Seymour Hersh's Alta-Class claims
Every single Alta and Oksøy class ship in the Norwegian Navy was accounted for during the period where Seymour Hersh claimed one was used to plant the charges on the Nord Stream pipeline.
oalexanderdk.substack.com
Short version, neither the ship he claimed planted explosives, nor any of the other ships of the same class, was remotely close to the pipeline when he says they were.
Bro, nobody is bridging any river in a short period of time without machines. Even the smallest watercourse that can be called a river, if you're making a very crude bridge using hand-tools and wood from trees that are right there, it's going to take hours to make that bridge.
Something large enough for military vehicles to cross? You're not doing that without heavy specialized machinery, period.
Why soviets are attacking their ally,not enemies ?
Not that i complain.
Well,it must be part of their genial plan to take over Europe.They are KGB,so they must have few.
they can still afford meth?
Batrix2070
RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
*Rolls eyes*
My friend, I no brother to you is first of all.
Second, without machines, that is, without folding bridges. Not without engineering vehicles. Or not without a pontoon park.
Another thing is that nowhere did I mean that it would take a few minutes. I meant that Polish sappers take a few hours to build such a bridge with ease. While the Americans during these maneuvers seemed incapable of doing it as quickly and efficiently as we did.
Which strongly surprised this soldier, because this was something that had been trained and known in the Polish Army for a very long time.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Please try to be a little clearer in your wording.
It also wouldn't exactly be surprising if after twenty years in the sandbox, the US military isn't as good at handling rivers as they could be.
I have no specialized knowledge on relative readiness rates on that compared to the Poles (or most anyone else), so I'll not try to argue about it.
Buba
A total creep
The thought of "(some) loss of institutional knowledge and/or capability" due to Afganistan and Iraq did cross my mind.
Other lose thoughts:
- in Europe US Army expects local NATO forces to have bridge laying capability and thus does not have it?
- bridging units are NG and/or stationed in the USA? *(this links with the above, I'd guess)
For this current argument. I am not a SME, per se, but I do know how the US Army does its bridging. Having discussed it with Engineers.
For instance, Korea it is a constant thing trained by the US there.
Fort Hood is the Wet Gao crossing trainings base fir the US military. Marines go there to train.
Basically, the US military is capable of conducting wet gap crossings on a large enough scale. The downside is less about how often we do it, we train to do things even if it doesn't make sense. We train to make sure we can do everything, even if it is again, making sense for a small number.
Because the engineers I talked to mentioned the main issue was not about how fast or capability. That we can do and have demonstrated it.
How long ago was this? I have to ask.
No, we have seen it as a deficiency but not due to COIN. Do to places to train it.
For instance, Korea it is a constant thing trained by the US there.
Fort Hood is the Wet Gao crossing trainings base fir the US military. Marines go there to train.
Basically, the US military is capable of conducting wet gap crossings on a large enough scale. The downside is less about how often we do it, we train to do things even if it doesn't make sense. We train to make sure we can do everything, even if it is again, making sense for a small number.
Because the engineers I talked to mentioned the main issue was not about how fast or capability. That we can do and have demonstrated it.
Batrix2070
RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
I read about it just after Russia's invasion of Ukraine and the soldier was referring to the 2021 maneuvers, when they practiced forcing the Narev River. He was surprised at the lack of adequate skills among Americans.
Do you know anything about the American unit?
That makes a diffrenxe.
But from what I can gather is, most likely due to the fact we are not used to the river being the biggest issue.
But could be fresh out of AIT guys as well. They would be lost in the sauce. Seeing bridging operations in person is a very cool thing to see. With how many there actually are
Batrix2070
RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
Nope, the only information I've been able to find so far is that with the 16th Mechanized Division as part of Tumak-21, subdivisions from America, the UK and Norway took part in the training.
Brigade Combat team.
Doesn't narrow it down sadly.
But could be...1CD one of thiers.
Maybe 1AD.
So perhaps just some incompetent soldiers
And US for the training exercise.Was the bridging exercise in Czarnowo or Kikoły? If yes - then the Polish troops had been bridging the Narew there for the last 40 or 50 years ...
New territory takes somewhat longer
bintananth
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Camp Lejeune had water contamination issues from the late-50s to the late-80s. When watching TV I regularly get ads from lawyers saying "if you have one of these health problems and were stationed at Camp Lejeune, please call us."
I've got a lot of friends that were stationed at Polk, and they loved it.
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