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Could I get an article for that?
Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion
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Could I get an article for that?
AnimalNoodles
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Nothing. Because Russia isnt going to be pushed out of Ukraine.
...*looks at the Kharkiv front. Looks at Kherson*.
Sureeeee
Well, since you somehow missed the many articles covering the issues Russian's have had getting winter gear that have been posted in the various threads regaring Ukraine, here's agreat video to break it down, which comes with all the sourcing as well.
DarthOne
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I actually do have a life beyond reading and posting in this thread. But thank you very much for the video.
Yet you seem to have plenty of time to find and/or put together 'dank memes' shitting on Ukraine or implicating Ukraine as a 'globohomo stooge'.
However, if you are willing to actually take the time to watch Perun's vids on the war, you might be up to speed with the rest of us in...a few days? Perun's done a lot of vids breaking down different aspects of the conflict as it has evolved, and as an Aussie he has a outsider perspective not tainted as heavily by US domestic politics.
If you don't have time for more in depth commentary, or don't believe pro-western commentators, perhaps you have a minute to see and hear what some Russian soldiers themselves think of their preparation for winter conditions:
I don't think the war is going to end for awhile
Realistically, it'll probably take till at least 2024 to fully remove the Russian troops by force, unless something drastic happens either in terms of increased capabilities for Ukraine, or Russia having a 'domestic situation'.
It's a simple matter of there being 'mud seasons' in spring and fall that make off road armored warfare kinda impossible, or just really shitty to undertake, for a few months. It's why we've seen so many artillery duels and grinding artillery backed attacks recently, and not major armored thrusts by either side.
Last I heard was Ukraine was figuring on using 2023 to cut the landbridge to Crimea and attempting retake the peninsula by this time next year, with forcing Russian troops out of their positions in the Donbas border regions during 2024.
After that, we likely get a Korean DMZ style zone along the border down to the Sea of Azov, possibly even all the way along the Belarussian border up to Poland. And in Ukraine itself we would see a Marshall Plan level international rebuilding effort, along with unhappy task of massive mine and UXO clearing/safing operations across a lot of the nation.
The Ukraians have the homefield advantage, the support of a super power, and the advantage of quality.
But the russians still have raw numbers and brutality, the Russians are quite willing to throw men at a problem until it dies and have zero problems commiting genocide. So they could still win this, but said victory would be a puric one because then they would have a unconventional war where they genocide the Ukranians again.
And after that now much reduced in order to achieve their policy goals they have to attack the baltic states and conquere poland up to warsaw and europe up to the carpathian mountains which means war with Nato which would end very fucking badly for russia.
I think it all gets decided in 23, either the Russians get their knock out blow (Which will see a lot of them dead) this year or the higher quality equipment and training of the Ukrainains (which is getting better with each month) basically sees their army eroded into the gutter.
If Russia loses it, that's it for them as a great power they will have blown everything on one last roll of the dice and because of their demographics they will be fucked for at least a generation. Worst case senerio we see a break up of the russian system in our life times.
This war will either see the true birth of an Ukrianian state or its dimise. So its a pivot moment in eastern europe.
Poor orks.But- Sauron never cared how they fight or how many would die.
So,kinsidering that our Sauron is KGB,keep in mind,that he still must have many hidden plans to win this war.
No matter how many his orcs die.
Remember,never underestimate KGB!
DarthOne
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Could you possibly sound more petty and butt-hurt? Seriously, I ask an honest question and this is the response I get. And yes I’m skeptical of Western sources. I’m skeptical or Russian ones too. There’s a war on and truth is always the first casualty in war.
The problem with "throwing men at the problem" style of warfare is that by doing that, they consign themselves to having "what's the price of a mile" level victories most of the time.
And they have lost the nice hardware they needed to fight otherwise by doing "stupidly brave or bravely stupid" kind of maneuvers early on, while their reserve equipment was found to be mostly rotten and looted away - Russian storage conditions combined with years of freeze-thaw cycles are not kind to technology.
Yeah, Ukrainian nationalism is getting a historic boost from this war.
Who replaces Putin, when and how smoothly will be the biggest variable in the future
This is...not a 'wrong' analysis, however it misses the logistical complications things like HIMARs and other longer range weapons have on Russia even getting manpower or weapons to the front. Human waves do not win modern warfare, and are only good for finding the position of enemy guns or strong points for arty to whack.
Ukraine's supply lines are far, far more secure than Russia's, and Ukraine has weapons that can now hit most of Russia west of the Urals. Russia also has had several of it's strategic bomber fleet seriously damaged or destroyed by Ukrainian strikes on Russian military bases, so they are more leery of keeping anything important within about 2000km of Ukraine's borders.
Plus, Ukraine is likely to get F-16s in the coming year, as they already have pilot's training on them.
There is no way Russia wins this war and keeps it's stolen gains, unless the west completely abandons Ukraine; it's just a matter of how long it takes to push the Russian's back across the border.
I'm not being petty or butthurt, that would be your reactions to being told you are wrong and have swallowed a lot of Russian propaganda.
Yes, truth is a causality in war, but the prevalence of smart phones with camera and drones with cameras, along with people monitoring domestic Russian social media means it's far easier to sort the bullshit from reality.
And so far, when looking at what can be visually confirmed to have happened, and what Russian civies are saying were they don't think the west will see, paints a picture of Ukraine using responsible OPSEC to protect troops while being honest and upfront with partners about their needs, as well as engaging in a continuous corruption purge of the people who had made Ukraine so corrupt for decades, while the Russians just keep lying to everyone about nearly everything.
Wars for survival, which is what this war is for Ukraine, have a way of purging corruption fairly effectively, because that corruption often impedes the military aspect, which can end up with treason charges leveled instead of normal corruption related charges.
And if you want to be skeptical of all news about the war, fine; however so far you have been buying Russian propaganda lines far more often than listening to anything even non-MSM western sources say.
As I said, watch Perun's vids on the conflict if you want to see what the reality, or as close to it as any civie likely can get, of the situation is; he is an Aussie, but he doesn't sugar coat anything or pull punch when he sees issues.
Another Russian barracks destroyed. This time a mixed company of regular army riding herd on mobilized conscripts. Several of the soldiers posted videos without removing or covering the logo of the hotel chain franchisee they appropriated. One of the soldiers forgot to turn off his geolocation and the Ukrainians used that to zero in on the exact hotel they were in, there were three of the chain in the city.
Aussies are universally known for having no filter and being painfully blunt and cutting with the truth. It's practically a national pastime. They'll walk straight up to a stranger and tell him, "Damn. You're a fat fella aren't you?" All without a hint of condescension or derision. Just no brain-mouth filter. I love it! They're universally hilariously crass.
Aussies are universally known for having no filter and being painfully blunt and cutting with the truth. It's practically a national pastime. They'll walk straight up to a stranger and tell him, "Damn. You're a fat fella aren't you?" All without a hint of condescension or derision. Just no brain-mouth filter. I love it! They're universally hilariously crass.
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ShieldWife
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If Russia gets pushed out of Ukraine, it won’t be for a while. Putin’s reputation and legacy is tied up in this war, if it ends without something positive to show for it, he is utterly humiliated.
On the Ukrainian side, they are basically under the control of the GAE, which doesn’t care about expense or casualties and has no reason to compromise or capitulate in any way.
So essentially, the leaders in both sides don’t care about casualties, suffering, or economic destruction - winning is more important. That could make this a quagmire that drags on for years
On the Ukrainian side, they are basically under the control of the GAE, which doesn’t care about expense or casualties and has no reason to compromise or capitulate in any way.
So essentially, the leaders in both sides don’t care about casualties, suffering, or economic destruction - winning is more important. That could make this a quagmire that drags on for years
History Learner
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They made this decision years ago, unless of course the people taking this tact seriously believe the Russians somehow have time travel capabilities:
You notice they didn't give you an article and acted very passive aggressive about it when questioned? That's because it's fake; they were making the same claims back in the Spring and notably, no evidence to this effect was ever produced then either. Meanwhile, as far back as October AFU guys at Lyman were showing BARS-13 guys and LPR casualties in full winter gear; notably, neither formations are SOF.
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