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[Bacle]

Correction: Russia-Ukraine-War story

In earlier versions of a story published November 15, 2022, The Associated Press reported erroneously, based on information from a senior American intelligence official who spoke on condition of anonymity, that Russian missiles had crossed into Poland and killed two people.

apnews.com

AP's got it; it's real folks.

Polish media reported that two people died Tuesday afternoon after a projectile struck an area where grain was drying in Przewodów, a Polish village near the border with Ukraine.

 

[Sobek]

That is a false flag by reporting. You say potato I say potato.

The initial post even says that it looks like one of the types of missiles that "get lost". My guess is either Ukrainian or Russian soldiers fired on planes, missiles flew and tried to hit but failed, then kept going till they lost power and coming down the machine spirit tried to fulfil it's mission by targetting the nearest hot spot it found in a grain silo.

 

[Marduk]

AP's got it; it's real folks.

Since when do you have so much trust in journos?

 

[Bacle]

Since when do you have so much trust in journos?

Since I saw the news elsewhere about this first, and it's the journo's playing catch up.

The only thing the journo's have 'informed' me of was the name of the town it happened near; everything else came from people on a Discord I'm on who do OSINT, and not so OSINT, work for fun.

 

[Buba]

Thinking of it, something NOT falling on Poland over all this time is odd/fortuitous?
Up to now Russia was careful not to target anything too close, but now is desperate and doesn't care? Or was Russia lucky up to now? Got unlucky today?

 

[Cherico]

Im putting this one down as russian incompetance lord knows weve already seen a lot over the last year

 

[Sobek]

It shows that, whatever other issues Russia has, they understand how dangerous Article 5 is and how strong anti-Russia sentiment is on Poland.

 

[Bacle]

Thinking of it, something NOT falling on Poland over all this time is odd/fortuitous?

More like the Russian's weren't doing stupid vengence strikes on Ukrainain target close to the border, with weapons whose error margin included the border when aimed at said targets.

This is Russia being purposefully reckless in their vengeance strikes.

 

[Marduk]

I am of the opposite opinion. This looks like a legitimate incident of accidental shelling/missle strike because it hit something so stupid.

If this was a false flag by Glowniggers they would have probably targeted a civilian settlement on the border directly, or fired onto a school bus or something. Of the false flags that have been proved to be false by the CIA over the years we know that when they decide to fake something they tend to go for the biggest effect possible as to overide people's rational thought and get them demanding retribution they want. This is minor enough that while it will make the Polish mad it can be sorted over with some diplomacy.

What are the chances for a stray missile to hit a grain dryer out of all things? Technical failure or something like that would likely hit a field or something. Someone checked the coordinates wrong? Probably would hit an infrastructure target.
Out of all things, for a stray missile to hit a kind of installations infamous for explosive accidents?

Since I saw the news elsewhere about this first, and it's the journo's playing catch up.

The only thing the journo's have 'informed' me of was the name of the town it happened near; everything else came from people on a Discord I'm on who do OSINT, and not so OSINT, work for fun.

Then you got fooled the same way journos were.
For one you even got the location wrong.
Hrubieszów is a local city, hence they say that was near it. The precise location is a village of Przewodów.

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Przewod%C3%B3w

 

[Buba]

This is Russia being purposefully reckless in their vengeance strikes.

You answered the question I added while editing my post

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Przewod%C3%B3w

Village of Przewodów, Dołhobyczów Comune (Gmina), Hrubieszów County/District (Powiat).

 

[Sobek]

What are the chances for a stray missile to hit a grain dryer out of all things? Technical failure or something like that would likely hit a field or something. Someone checked the coordinates wrong? Probably would hit an infrastructure target.
Out of all things, for a stray missile to hit a kind of installations infamous for explosive accidents?

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Przewod%C3%B3w

Imagine the following:

Pyotr fires missile at UA jet. UA jet is brand new from USA money laundering scheme, flying well and true. It speeds away in the direction of Poland before turning around before hitting the border. The missile loses the lock on the jet, but it is now going straight towards Poland (since by the time the UA jet turned around the missile had lost the lock). It flies as long as it can, before losing power thanks to ruining out of propellant. As it crashes down, the heroic machine spirit of the missile tries to fulfil the commandments installed on it by the Tech Priests of the Tula Arms Plant, and so it moves to try and hit the closest hot spot: Mirosław's grain silo.

 

[Bacle]

What are the chances for a stray missile to hit a grain dryer out of all things? Technical failure or something like that would likely hit a field or something. Someone checked the coordinates wrong? Probably would hit an infrastructure target.
Out of all things, for a stray missile to hit a kind of installations infamous for explosive accidents?

Then you got fooled the same way journos were.
For one you even got the location wrong.
Hrubieszów is a local city, hence they say that was near it. The precise location is a village of Przewodów.

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Przewod%C3%B3w

I just reported what I saw, and at this point I don't think you should be treating this as 'fake news'.

It's random stupidity turned tragedy because Russian long range weapons have shit targeting accuracy by modern standards, and they were aiming at something on the Ukrainian side of the border and missed.

Imagine the following:

Pyotr fires missile at UA jet. UA jet is brand new from USA money laundering scheme, flying well and true. It speeds away in the direction of Poland before turning around before hitting the border. The missile loses the lock on the jet, but it is now going straight towards Poland (since by the time the UA jet turned around the missile had lost the lock). It flies as long as it can, before losing power thanks to ruining out of propellant. As it crashes down, the heroic machine spirit of the missile tries to fulfil the commandments installed on it by the Tech Priests of the Tula Arms Plant, and so it moves to try and hit the closest hot spot: Mirosław's grain silo.

No, these were ground attack missiles that were part of the latest vengence barrage aimed at Ukraine after they took the Kinburn Spit in the Dnieper estuary, thus opening a new front in the Kherson/Crimea region.

 

[Cherico]

It shows that, whatever other issues Russia has, they understand how dangerous Article 5 is and how strong anti-Russia sentiment is on Poland.

 

[Batrix2070]

illage of Przewodów, Dołhobyczów Comune (Gmina), Hrubieszów County/District (Powiat)

That is, a name that none but us Poles on this forum will pronounce. Just add Grzegorz Brzeszczekiewicz.

But jokes aside, and I'm going by operator error, it must have happened at some time. And that coincidence made it hit a building famous for explosions?
Clearly someone has a nasty stroke of bad luck in this foul unit, the commander will rip this guy's head off for it if he finds him.

 

[Marduk]

I just reported what I saw, and at this point I don't think you should be treating this as 'fake news'.

It's random stupidity turned tragedy because Russian long range weapons have shit targeting accuracy by modern standards, and they were aiming at something on the Ukrainian side of the border and missed.

It is fake news because all Polish serious sources are investigating the causes.
If they don't know, and no NATO radar track based alternative sources are shown...

 

[Buba]

the heroic machine spirit of the missile tries to fulfil the commandments installed on it by the Tech Priests of the Tula Arms Plant, and so it moves to try and hit the closest hot spot: Mirosław's grain silo.

This would had been funny had Mirosław and Grzegorz not been killed by stray missile.
Or so sayeth Polish media. Which also place the village 5km from the border, but I don't trust journos with a map.

Well, we will know (?) more tomorrow.

 

[Bacle]

It is fake news because all Polish serious sources are investigating the causes.
If they don't know, and no NATO radar track based alternative sources are shown...

Well, this is what some Russians are saying, that's 'fairs fair' because Ukrainians have hit Belgorod with US weapons.

 

[Marduk]

Well, this is what some Russians are saying, that's 'fairs fair' because Ukrainians have hit Belgorod with US weapons.

Same ones who seriously say Poland has lost brigades of mercenaries in Ukraine.
Meanwhile official sources:

Pentagon says can't confirm Russian missiles struck inside Poland

The Pentagon said on Tuesday it could not confirm reports that Russian missiles have crossed into Poland near the Ukraine border.

www.reuters.com

 

[Buba]

Well, this is what some Russians are saying, that's 'fairs fair' because Ukrainians have hit Belgorod with US weapons.

Of course, hitting neutrals is the same thing as hitting the territory of belligerents ...

 

[Bacle]

Same ones who seriously say Poland has lost brigades of mercenaries in Ukraine.

Yes; the problem is the lies work inside Russia.

We cannot discount the effect of internal propaganda on the views of the average Russian.

Of course, hitting neutrals is the same thing as hitting the territory of belligerents ...

The Russians don't see Poland or NATO as 'neutral'; they already see the fight in Ukraine as a 'war against NATO'.

However the Russian's have refrained from being this reckless with their strikes before, because they do fear what would happen if NATO fully declared against them.