Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

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Honestly, why exactly should the West care all that much about Syria right now? Focus on Ukraine and leave Syria to Russia. If some Syrians don't like Assad (quite understandably), then subsidize their relocation to Turkey or Jordan or Lebanon or wherever.
A lot of those are islamists, they don't want those either, if anything the most benefit the West can get out of them is to let the Gulf States sponsor some explosive vests for them.
It's two sister alliances standing together side by side.
So from Russia's perspective, still a technicality. If you are wondering what behavior Russia would ideally wish for from the region's countries, look at the one where its influence operation is most successful - Belarus.
Obviously such alliance would be in the way of that.
 
A lot of those are islamists, they don't want those either, if anything the most benefit the West can get out of them is to let the Gulf States sponsor some explosive vests for them.

So from Russia's perspective, still a technicality. If you are wondering what behavior Russia would ideally wish for from the region's countries, look at the one where its influence operation is most successful - Belarus.
Obviously such alliance would be in the way of that.

Would be even better for the Gulf states to let them into their own countries so that they would get to have the fancy life in Dubai, partying all night! :D They could more easily find their 72 virgins that way as well, and here on Earth, to boot! ;) No need to become Shaheeds!

Interestingly enough, had Russia avoided going Red during World War I, it could have actually gotten such an arrangement from its neighbors, very possibly. But Russia blew it by failing to stop the Bolsheviks' seizure of power; the opposition to the Bolsheviks was too weak and/or disorganized, unfortunately. And too many gullible Russian idiots fell for the stupid Bolshevik slogan of "peace, land, and bread", ultimately ending up getting neither of the three!
 
I am amused at how many people are going "we treated russia so well after the fall of the soviet union"

Since when? Constant sanctions, vilification, and other economic harassment has kept them in abject poverty for decades.

This is literally the lessons of WW1 all over again. Nobody seems to have learned it, just claiming we did all along.
 
I am amused at how many people are going "we treated russia so well after the fall of the soviet union"

Since when? Constant sanctions, vilification, and other economic harassment has kept them in abject poverty for decades.

This is literally the lessons of WW1 all over again. Nobody seems to have learned it, just claiming we did all along.

The sanctions only started in 2014, IIRC. That's 23 years.
 
Would be even better for the Gulf states to let them into their own countries so that they would get to have the fancy life in Dubai, partying all night! :D They could more easily find their 72 virgins that way as well, and here on Earth, to boot! ;) No need to become Shaheeds!
No one has the budget to coddle millions if dumb fanatics, and even if they had, there are better ways to spend money.
Interestingly enough, had Russia avoided going Red during World War I, it could have actually gotten such an arrangement from its neighbors, very possibly. But Russia blew it by failing to stop the Bolsheviks' seizure of power; the opposition to the Bolsheviks was too weak and/or disorganized, unfortunately. And too many gullible Russian idiots fell for the stupid Bolshevik slogan of "peace, land, and bread", ultimately ending up getting neither of the three!
Not really, Russian Empire was not exactly saints either.
 
It applies too for the US. The fallout of Afghanistan may have had the effect of convincing Putin to strike when US military strength is perceived to be weak.

And weak Biden agreed to small aggression in exchange for alliance against China,which want Siberia back.
Idiot Putin attacked everywhere,and now is loosing.
And would lost,if weak Biden gave more toys to Ukraine.
Which USA do not did,becouse they still wany alliance with Moscov.Idiots.

Putin is only hope of Europe - becouse without him,Moscov would arleady ally with USA and take Ukraine,baltics,Poland and probably the rest of Europe,too.
We were saved thanks to one man stupidity.God really like jokes.Europe saved not by Saint or Genius,but KGB idiot who wanted damn all of us,but accidentally saved.

I hope,that nobody would kill him.
 
Russia is not some great country sticking it to the west.
Russia has the highest HIV rate.
They are poorer then the average American, even in this economy.
They gladly let gay Syrian fighters join them in Ukraine.
They commit war crimes because "Ukrainians are Nazis".

Defending Russia is being a communist. No of an or buts
 
Russia is not some great country sticking it to the west.
They're just the next belligerent sticking it to them.
Russia has the highest HIV rate.
They are poorer then the average American, even in this economy.
They gladly let gay Syrian fighters join them in Ukraine.
They commit war crimes because "Ukrainians are Nazis".
What if they succeed despite that?
Defending Russia is being a communist. No of an or buts
There's going to be a whole line of them with a BRICS expansion.
 
They're just the next belligerent sticking it to them.

What if they succeed despite that?

There's going to be a whole line of them with a BRICS expansion.
They won't succeed.
They couldn't take Kiev, have exhausted a large amount of man power trying to push towards the west from the east.
The only reason they gain is because Ukraime is being smart and doing basically what Washington did.
Pull back when you can save your men while hurting thiers
 
They won't succeed.
They couldn't take Kiev, have exhausted a large amount of man power trying to push towards the west from the east.
The only reason they gain is because Ukraime is being smart and doing basically what Washington did.
Pull back when you can save your men while hurting thiers
I don't believe they were intentionally trying to take Kiev. It was a feint to draw troops to guard it while they scramble for the weak spots getting random names under their control.
 
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