Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

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Yes, because there are American soldiers occupying Ukraine, systematically raping its women, arbitrarily slaughtering its people, and routinely kidnapping people to be used in medical experiments and training.

Just like Manchukuo.
1. war PR should be taken with a grain of salt.
2. have you seen the rape rate in europe ever since it opened the floodgates to rapefugees? The liberal world order imposes more rape, not less
3. "medical experiments"... so I guess you completely forgot the mandatory covid shots?

A nice healthy society free of both would be nice. But do not for a second try to claim that the globohomo is better
 
Russia sold Alaska to the us, as for the kurills if Russia collapses well Russia established that you can get land through conquest
 
1. war PR should be taken with a grain of salt.
2. have you seen the rape rate in europe ever since it opened the floodgates to rapefugees? The liberal world order imposes more rape, not less
3. "medical experiments"... so I guess you completely forgot the mandatory covid shots?

A nice healthy society free of both would be nice. But do not for a second try to claim that the globohomo is better

...So now you're talking about completely different things. This is incoherent.
 
...So now you're talking about completely different things. This is incoherent.
You want real talk it won't be like Manchuko because it will be more subtle than what Imperial Japan runs things.

It'll be what they did to Germany after the second and first world. De militarized and chopped up into tinier managable pieces with more US army bases in them while the neocons and anyone else in Congress run pork bills like they usually do for corruption schemes just like in Ukraine before the war. Your current president used his son as the bagman there after all and other US members especially the glowie divisions from the CIA would take up positions in foreign companies for their retirement scheme.
 
You want real talk it won't be like Manchuko because it will be more subtle than what Imperial Japan runs things.

It'll be what they did to Germany after the second and first world. De militarized and chopped up into tinier managable pieces with more US army bases in them while the neocons and anyone else in Congress run pork bills like they usually do for corruption schemes just like in Ukraine before the war. Your current president used his son as the bagman there after all and other US members especially the glowie divisions from the CIA would take up positions in foreign companies for their retirement scheme.

What happened to Germany after both World Wars isn't even comparable to what the Imperial Japanese did to Korea and Manchuria, not unless you explicitly and exclusively mean the Soviet-controlled East Germany.

Frankly, the fact that people are even comparing them, shows just how historically ignorant they are. The corruption in the west is bad now, and I've no doubt that what's being hidden from us is even worse, but it's still a far cry from the kind of mass atrocities the IJA and IJN committed.

That's where the left is trying to take us, but we certainly are not there yet.
 
What happened to Germany after both World Wars isn't even comparable to what the Imperial Japanese did to Korea and Manchuria, not unless you explicitly and exclusively mean the Soviet-controlled East Germany.

Frankly, the fact that people are even comparing them, shows just how historically ignorant they are. The corruption in the west is bad now, and I've no doubt that what's being hidden from us is even worse, but it's still a far cry from the kind of mass atrocities the IJA and IJN committed.

That's where the left is trying to take us, but we certainly are not there yet.
It won't be even like those regimed because your leaders and politicians will run it their way and when you look deeper it's even more horrifying at their depths of corruption in their own style.

We already see bits and pieces of it during the war on terror.
That's where the left is trying to take us, but we certainly are not there yet.
I think we're on the road there.

I saw what Fauci did to beagles in the name of science. Your own citizens since Jan 6th have been confined for many months and treated like they're in a black site. Julian Assange the legendary whistleblower of what the government doesn't tell you is going to be fucked by your vengeful government.
Frankly, the fact that people are even comparing them, shows just how historically ignorant they are. The corruption in the west is bad now, and I've no doubt that what's being hidden from us is even worse, but it's still a far cry from the kind of mass atrocities the IJA and IJN committed.
That's just noodles. I only agree to the part about the colony because I see how resources can be taken with the new up to date methods without outright declaring them a colony.
 
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Its always been the goal to break Russia up and turn the bits into what Ukraine is...neoliberal colonies ruled by bought and paid for oligarchs. Ukraine is really just American Manchukuo, and the GAE wants the sane for Russia.

You could not break something which do not exist.It is kgbstan,not Russia.And it is arleady ruled by oligarchs - from KGB mafias.
And,if Ukraine was Manchukuo,then why they still fight?
Weapons alone do not fight,you need soldiers for that.

All those lovely resources on the cheap.

If they wanted divide kgbstan,they would do so arleady.Democrats always supported Moscow,and Biden wanted peace with Putin - if he only take part of Ukraine,not attacked entire territory.
And even now USA send enough weapons to stop kgbstan,but not to defeat them.

World woud be better if Moscov state ceased to exist,sadly democrats do not go for that.
 
You could not break something which do not exist.It is kgbstan,not Russia.And it is arleady ruled by oligarchs - from KGB mafias.
And,if Ukraine was Manchukuo,then why they still fight?
Weapons alone do not fight,you need soldiers for that.



If they wanted divide kgbstan,they would do so arleady.Democrats always supported Moscow,and Biden wanted peace with Putin - if he only take part of Ukraine,not attacked entire territory.
And even now USA send enough weapons to stop kgbstan,but not to defeat them.

World woud be better if Moscov state ceased to exist,sadly democrats do not go for that.
They already did with the dissolution of the Soviet Union and had years of oligarchs doing the looting.

@AnimalNoodles you could've at least brought up the Philippines instead.
 
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They already did with the dissolution of the Soviet Union and had years of oligarchs doing the looting.

@AnimalNoodles you could've at least brought up the Philippines instead.
Nope,USA tried to save soviets.Remember Busch Kiev chicken speech?
Fortunatelly,pople decided otherwise when they have chance.Just like pople in Syberia,Caucasus or Kazan would not live under Moscov,if tey have chance.

Unfortunatelly for them,grandpa Biden would save baby Putin.
 
Nope,USA tried to save soviets.Remember Busch Kiev chicken speech?
Fortunatelly,pople decided otherwise when they have chance.Just like pople in Syberia,Caucasus or Kazan would not live under Moscov,if tey have chance.

Unfortunatelly for them,grandpa Biden would save baby Putin.
Bush promised so but Clinton didn't follow through. Reneging on the Baker promise and enlarged NATO while funding Yeltsin's election.
 
Bush promised so but Clinton didn't follow through. Reneging on the Baker promise and enlarged NATO while funding Yeltsin's election.
And how making Poland or Baltic states safe threaten Moscov? they still had their state and nukes.Clinton simply accepted fact that soviet union do not longer exist,and acted on it.
Biden now try to ally with Putin and agreed to gave part of Ukraine for that.Putin said niet,becouse he want entire Ukraine and lost Soberia to China.

It could be cruel for ukrainians,but...LONG LIVE COLONEL PUTIN!
Without him,Democrats would arleady gave Poland to Moscov.And nobody except us would care.
 
And how making Poland or Baltic states safe threaten Moscov? they still had their state and nukes.Clinton simply accepted fact that soviet union do not longer exist,and acted on it.
Biden now try to ally with Putin and agreed to gave part of Ukraine for that.Putin said niet,becouse he want entire Ukraine and lost Soberia to China.

It could be cruel for ukrainians,but...LONG LIVE COLONEL PUTIN!
Without him,Democrats would arleady gave Poland to Moscov.And nobody except us would care.
Big countries with power have different feelings on the matter they can give reminders at the barrel of the gun like what's going on. I just see what I read of the past I have no control over.
 
Big countries with power have different feelings on the matter they can give reminders at the barrel of the gun like what's going on. I just see what I read of the past I have no control over.
If Russia wants to play by such "we have power so we can do and demand things others can't" then once they weaken, as they did, there is no reason to not break all promises given to it just to make a point.
Bush promised so but Clinton didn't follow through. Reneging on the Baker promise and enlarged NATO while funding Yeltsin's election.
What promise?
When Mr. Baker returned to Moscow in May, he offered what were called the nine reassurances, including a commitment to allow Soviet troops in East Germany to remain for a transition period and not extend NATO forces into that territory until they left. This was hardly a promise not to extend the alliance east, but he insisted to the Soviets that this was the best the United States could do.
Besides, by now we know plenty of facts that ruin the theory of "this is just about NATO". Like all the stuff around plans to rusify Ukrainians by force, which makes it a plain ol' imperial war of conquest.
The NATO story is for naive westerners, and considering how many of them are repeating it as if it was true, that part of FSB budget was well spent.
 
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If Russia wants to play by such "we have power so we can do and demand things others can't" then once they weaken, as they did, there is no reason to not break all promises given to it just to make a point.
That's what they did. Now we wait to see if they can get away with it.
What promise?
This one. It's diplomatically ingenious. An oral promise. One that can't be fulfilled when your successor takes over and with Soviet credibility low the eastern countries wanted to join NATO. I know I would join NATO if I was one of those citizens living there and damn what James A. Baker III said.
 
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