Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion
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Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
At the very least they won't get shot at, drafted or bombed. The shooting depends on the local militia thinking you looked funny or a Russian shill.
I know this is going to be a very controversial take, but I have to say it.
Both Putin and Zelensky work for the same people. Both Putin and Zelensky are WEF pawns, and though Klaus Schwab denounces Putin in public, in private, Putin is pursuing the aims of his shadowy Club of Rome and Committee of 300 masters just like the rest.
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Those goals are, of course, to displace Slavs from Ukraine, to destroy the Azov honeypot organization and thereby accomplish the murder of Ukrainian nationalists, and to create global food shortages by cutting off Russian and Ukrainian grain exports.
Putin and Zelensky are not enemies. This is all theater. The goal, all along, has been to accomplish the genocide of Ukrainians through conscription, and the displacement of starving Africans into Europe.
Both Putin and Zelensky work for the same people. Both Putin and Zelensky are WEF pawns, and though Klaus Schwab denounces Putin in public, in private, Putin is pursuing the aims of his shadowy Club of Rome and Committee of 300 masters just like the rest.
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Those goals are, of course, to displace Slavs from Ukraine, to destroy the Azov honeypot organization and thereby accomplish the murder of Ukrainian nationalists, and to create global food shortages by cutting off Russian and Ukrainian grain exports.
Putin and Zelensky are not enemies. This is all theater. The goal, all along, has been to accomplish the genocide of Ukrainians through conscription, and the displacement of starving Africans into Europe.
daily life would go on as usual, may even improve. instead they are being sent to the butcher
and maybe shooting pork lard laced bullets at Chechens isn't the greatest idea ...
Improve?
Who has a better life style? Belarusians or post 2014 Ukrainians?
It sure seems militarily the Ukrainians have the better stuff here...
Belarus' leaders accepts their place in Russia's sphere of influence. Ukrainian leaders do not
vowing to fight to the bitter end, against a foe that does not seek to destroy you but assimilate you into a kindred culture, is pure and utter selfishness on the part of Ukraine's leaders, and is getting many people butchered. it is selfish and foolish and best, intentional slaughter at worst. two brothers fighting
The slaughter is the point. They evacuated millions of Ukraine's women to Poland, but told the men they have to stay, fight, and die, even to the point of attacking Russian tanks with Molotovs and other makeshift weapons.
You know what that's called? It's called genocide. Putin and Zelensky are both complicit.
Batrix2070
RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
Forgive me, but for those words I feel like punching you in the face. Because you have just perfectly presented the people with whom the Poles had to deal for two centuries when they tried to break free again.
No, the Ukrainians are not brothers of the Russians for a long time, not thanks to the actions of the Russians themselves. Just as we were never brothers of the Russians. But to some random type from the west it is the same thing that there is a Slavic language and every Slav understands.... "Fucking hell"
It really is annoying, you know? Lumping all Slavs together is like saying that English and German are the same thing and understand each other. It's like saying a Frenchman and an Italian are brothers.
No, they are not selfish and egotistical, they just don't want the Russian boot on their neck any more, they don't want to be someone else's plaything any more than we do. They want to get away from Russia and they will do everything to make it happen, and that the price is high?
Such is the price of freedom, you always pay it big and with Russians, pacifist approach ala Gandi will not work because they do not understand it.
That's why Poles instinctively understand what Ukrainians are about, and Belarus did not reconcile with being Russia's footstool. They also want freedom, but Bačka in his own arrogance and stupidity made it impossible, and now he is sitting on a powder keg and hopes that it will not explode during his rule.
Tell me honestly, are you a Russian troll meant to sow doubt among the people here? Or are you just a naive, perhaps american, who doesn't know what price is paid for independence because he forgot the one paid in the late 18th century?
Wow, but you went there. You made quite a storyline trying to put this together. Interesting.
Only one pity is that it's just plain wacky maya. You're looking for a conspiracy where there isn't one.
This, my friend, is a war for influence, an imperialist war. It's a war that the Russians started precisely because Putin didn't agree to the role the Americans assigned him and wants to show that they don't have enough power to kick everywhere.
Simply put, there is no genocide but just war. And the fact that a lot of people are dying? Well, this is the first serious war of this kind in Europe since World War II. A real war costs not hundreds but thousands of people dying every week.
It has always been like this, for centuries, what you write but to you it seems that it is a conspiracy of WEF, I would not overestimate their influence, because in this way you help them more, diminishing the idea that they can try to do something bad.
Eh, given the K/D ratio's we've seen thus far, along with the presence of foreign fighters taking part in combat for Ukraine, I think this might be a bit of a stretch.
Getting women and non-combatants out of the area which could be airstike'd was done many other places before this, and the genocide of Ukrainian's is being done by Russia in areas they get to. Ukraine is also getting shit tons of weaponry, and intel to use it effectively.
I expect that unless Putin pulls out nuke's, there will be more young Russian men that die in this war than Ukrainian, and I also expect that plenty of Ukrainian's ex-pats/second gens from abroad will be joining in as well.
Zelensky isn't a saint, but he is not the one who decided to roll the dice and tried to get this sorted diplomatically.
The fact is no one's hands are clean in this war, and it's just who's guilty of worse crimes and diplomatic subterfuge.
What Russia is doing is wrong; how to get Russia to fucking chill and withdraw is the real issue, and I see no good answers there.
Because as much as we can hate Putin for doing this, we have to admit sometimes the most damning things he's uttered about the West are true and he's not someone who's completely irrational. Petty, vindictive, maybe a bit of glory hound, and now a butcher, but not irrational. The US fucking around in Ukraine in the lead up to and during the Maidan, and the way Ukraine was exploited by corrupt asshats in the West (including POTUS), along with our invasion of Iraq on false pretenses, did create a reason for political paranoia in Putin.
Putin also knows the 'quickest' route to 'peace' in some people's minds, and more everyday, is his own death, which is also why he is rather paranoid and keeps almost everyone at a distance besides his yes-men.
Now Putin has both political and personal paranoia about nearly everything the West has done since about 2014. Though that's not to say Putin's innocent; this is the same motherfucker who used nerve agents in an attempted intel/counter-intel/revenge hit in Britain against the Skirpal's and caught civie's in the crossfire, plus the whole polonium tea situation, just to name a few.
While over in the West, Ukraine is something that was...well, an after-thought to most of the US public till the rebel's accidently took out that airliner (any good will I had for the Donbas rebel's evaporated that day), and then even after that it was not something most of the public thought much about besides "don't want to get into shooting war with Russia" sound bites in the news now and then.'
I don't have the answers to how to deescalate and end this conflict, but I do know we cannot find those answers till we are willing to admit the full scope of what all has happened, no matter how unseemly it is politically.
Edit: This all also ignores the whole 'Ukrainian oil deposits found in 2012 could undercut Russia's sales to Europe' and 'Russia demo-crunch means fewer fighting age bodies going forward' factors in why the war in Ukraine is happening.
Batrix2070
RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
Unfortunately I have to disappoint you but there is no such answer. Already the jin has been released from the bottle and for Putin it is a matter of life and death. For Russia it is a matter of life and death.
There is nothing to reconcile here, there are two profoundly conflicting interests and no compromise can be made.
For Russia, Ukraine is important not because of resources, but so that there is no good place to attack it from land or problems between germany and russia. Because if you already blame someone in the conspiracy it is Germany with Russia. Merkel with Putin.
This way she shows that she counts on the table, that she can take as a power what belongs to her.
Russia has sung a high price for helping against China and yet it is not even certain for America whether it will help against China.
So the U.S. decided to bring Russia down to the first floor with the help of the Ukrainians, because if Putin did not agree to the role assigned to Russia by great America, then Russia will be pacified so that it does not pose any threat.
And getting rid of Russia takes resources and the army for the Germans, who are again trying to get off the leash and do their own thing for themselves in the whole of Europe as its leader and to be the third pole in the world next to the USA and China.
The U.S. does not want another rival to fight with, so by pacifying Russia it also wants Germany to calm down, although earlier Germany was probably supposed to be an element guarding Europe, but here the British did their job in America, so the course has changed again because Biden and those behind him do not know what to do with Europe.
This way China will be a safe target for America to fight, without the risk that some third player will stab them in the back and side with China.
Overall, this war will settle everything, who has more power and who will force their demands on whom.
Either A or B. Unfortunately, it is impossible to deescalate tensions, only to win this war. The fighting will continue until May, after which there will be a couple of months truce, and it will continue on the fall until one side surrenders.
Sane diplomacy? BWAHAHAHA!!!!!!
kgbstan stated,that:
1.Uraine is artifical state
2.Ukrainians are not nations
3.They must do what Putin say,becouse.
Then Putin invade,and after 2 months all he could accomplish was rapes and stealed wasmachines.
You could not try diplomacy with dudes which declare,that you do not exist,and beside is their property.
You could only either agree to be their property,or fight.
Ukraine choose fight.Smart decisions - if they surrender,kgbstan would rape and steal washmachines anyway.
Remember - diplomacy is possible,only if your adversary treat you as partner.If he think,that you is his property,fight is only option.Or being property,but it is for slaves or dogs,not people.
LordsFire
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...So. What makes you think that Russia's motivations towards Ukraine are constructive, rather than destructive?
My knee-jerk response to your post here is that what you're saying is evil, but I think it's fair to figure out why you think what you do, before settling on that conclusion.
He literally thinks the Ukrainians should bow to Russia and talks about protecting border states from foreign influence and historical ties.
ShadowsOfParadox
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The Holodomor was such a genius piece of assimilation wasn't it?
Blasterbot
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if you don't care about morality yes. just look at the current situation and how it established a causus beli.
Scholz must worked for soviets when they still existed,and there is no such thing like ex-KGB,as comrade Putin said.
He was against Pershings in western Europe,but have nothing again soviet missiles in Eastern Europe.Agent,or idiot.
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this is dishonesty. that was a completely different government, in a completely different era.
don't get me wrong : i do not blame Ukrainian families for being wary of this, nor for being bitter or emotional about it. which is why it is up to the leaders of the country, to think rationally about the current situation and make rational decisions, without being hindered by irrational and emotional fears based in the past, that don't correlate to the present
you are thinking emotionally. i understand why
but nothing ever goes smoothly when you think emotionally. nothing i am saying matters anyways
i'll end my words on the subject with this : is it worth fighting, and dying, for "freedom" when the day to day life of Ukrainian men and women would not have significantly changed, for better or for worse, in Russia's sphere of influence? who are these Ukrainian men and women really dying for? think rationally about the situation. to quote your post : "they don't want to be someone else's plaything any more than we do".
take care, my friend
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