Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

[DarthOne]

 

[Terthna]

The NeoCons were right about Russia, though, and I've realized that; they may not bat 100% domestically, but they were right about needing to treat Russia as a threat even after the Cold War went into half-time.

It wasn't just the NeoCons though; the entire establishment never believed for a moment that the cold war was over. I mean, Hilary Clinton threatened nuclear war with Russia as one of her campaign promises back in 2016 (which makes her backroom dealings with them even more damning).

 

[Zachowon]

Where does the US government say that?
Because we support Ukraine getting its pre 2014 borders back?

 

[Marduk]

Ceasefire would be a damn stupid thing for Ukraine to do right now. *Especially* a ceasefire with such a set of conditions that Russia would accept it.
Neo-peaceniks: Those damn American warmongers, they don't want their ally to do stupid thing, such shitty allies!

 

[Megadeath]

It wasn't just the NeoCons though; the entire establishment never believed for a moment that the cold war was over. I mean, Hilary Clinton threatened nuclear war with Russia as one of her campaign promises back in 2016 (which makes her backroom dealings with them even more damning).

 

[Bacle]

It wasn't just the NeoCons though; the entire establishment never believed for a moment that the cold war was over. I mean, Hilary Clinton threatened nuclear war with Russia as one of her campaign promises back in 2016 (which makes her backroom dealings with them even more damning).

Well, given that Russia and Putin have proved they certainly never let go of their imperial ambitions/desire to 'recreate/reunite' the USSR/Imperial Russia, the establishment was not wrong that Russia was still a threat to it's neighbors.

 

[Cherico]

Yes. Baseless accusations proven repeatedly to be false. This immediately invalidates everything else in your post. Amigo I work in Romania. I've had to work with or for former Soviet officials enough to know the value of fact checking when it comes to politics and propaganda. This is just lazy

His own son calls him pedo pete....

 

[Terthna]

Well, given that Russia and Putin have proved they certainly never let go of their imperial ambitions/desire to 'recreate/reunite' the USSR/Imperial Russia, the establishment was not wrong that Russia was still a threat to it's neighbors.

There's an argument to be made about self-fulfilling prophecies, but honestly it doesn't really matter anymore at this point. We have other things to worry about now; like the establishment using the conflict with Russia to tighten their grip on power, and silence dissent.

 

[Marduk]

There's an argument to be made about self-fulfilling prophecies, but honestly it doesn't really matter anymore at this point. We have other things to worry about now; like the establishment using the conflict with Russia to tighten their grip on power, and silence dissent.

Does dissent have to come with simping for Russia?
Some on the more... militaristic right outright call Biden admin fuckups for not sending Ukraine F-16's, ATACMs and DPICM ammo because muh provocation and muh cluster munitions make lefty activists mad.

 

[Zachowon]

There's an argument to be made about self-fulfilling prophecies, but honestly it doesn't really matter anymore at this point. We have other things to worry about now; like the establishment using the conflict with Russia to tighten their grip on power, and silence dissent.

So simping for Russia is dissent?
You can fight the establishment wothout needing to denounce the conflict

 

[AmosTrask]

His own son calls him pedo pete....

His son who is trying to match Rob Ford the infamous crack head mayor of Toronto. His son who is an infamous con artist, who exudes the aura of stereotype dishonest businessman and willing to sell out to Russia for money? That son?

 

[AmosTrask]

I'm pretty sure Biden sniffing little girls' hair on camera, coupled with a certain diary that they did everything and anything to suppress, as well as him literally babbling like a drunken monkey, and the links to China (especially with his son, Hunter, who has a laptop filled with, let's just say incriminating photos and videos) coming to light, and his actions in basically destroying the American economy and reputation are all pretty self-evident that he's a senile old kiddie-fucker that fucked over the US in just one presidential term.

But, sure. If you want to just dismiss all that as "baseless propaganda", I can pretty say for sure that your post-Soviet bullshit detector that you're so proud of is as broken as Biden's brain.

Well I'll have to see that evidence. Because at this point anything to do with American politics is tainted.

Your group of posters constantly harping about Biden being a Russian and Chinese stooge seems to fly in contravention to how badly relations with those dictatorships have broken down. Sanctions and proxy wars have escalated this term. The Russian and Chinese economic activity has been slowed badly. The outright simping (I think I used that term right. Correct me if I'm wrong) for Russia I've seen on this forum and others like SB is disgusting.

 

[mrttao]

Well I'll have to see that evidence. Because at this point anything to do with American politics is tainted.

I hate how hard they are scrubbing shit from the internet.

Used to have a link to whitehouse own open to the public video camera where I isolated a clip of him sniffing a little girl (who has a very uncomfortable expression) while whispering some very inappropriate things to her (had to max out the volume to make it out. and still missed some parts. but it was definitely sex stuff).

even still, there are some compilations of joe sniffing little girls, if you just search for it. but, they are constantly purging them.

low quality. and has few views. youtube will delete it again soonish.

 

[Cherico]

His son who is trying to match Rob Ford the infamous crack head mayor of Toronto. His son who is an infamous con artist, who exudes the aura of stereotype dishonest businessman and willing to sell out to Russia for money? That son?

yeah and the fact that he still calls his father that is pretty damning because holy shit he's still your fucking dad.

But I guess he could still be bitter about having to give up a whole 10% to the big guy.

 

[Terthna]

So simping for Russia is dissent?
You can fight the establishment wothout needing to denounce the conflict

Not if you label any and all dissent as simping for Russia. Which is what you just did. Honestly, I'm not sure the establishment even needs to do anything; we're tearing into each other, and sowing division between ourselves over this pretty well without their help.

 

[AmosTrask]

yeah and the fact that he still calls his father that is pretty damning because holy shit he's still your fucking dad.

But I guess he could still be bitter about having to give up a whole 10% to the big guy.

I'm pretty sure he's not inheriting the family estate. I'd have disowned the bastard after his stunt back in his college days. His mother bailing him out has only encouraged his deplorable behavior. I fucking hate junkies. The boy is almost Russian "Slav Style" with his antics. Crokodil snorting, crackheads!

 

[Agent23]

Not if you label any and all dissent as simping for Russia. Which is what you just did. Honestly, I'm not sure the establishment even needs to do anything; we're tearing into each other, and sowing division between ourselves over this pretty well without their help.

Yup, useful idiots, people with personal or other group-level grudges and outright bots and paid shills galore.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

Ceasefire would be a damn stupid thing for Ukraine to do right now. *Especially* a ceasefire with such a set of conditions that Russia would accept it.
Neo-peaceniks: Those damn American warmongers, they don't want their ally to do stupid thing, such shitty allies!

This should be up the Ukrainians, not the Americans

 

[Marduk]

This should be up the Ukrainians, not the Americans

And how isn't it? Can't allied leaders talk, give advice and know each other's opinions on things?

 

[Zachowon]

This should be up the Ukrainians, not the Americans

It is.
We are supporting thier decision