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ATP

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No one expected the Soviets to gain the bomb. It was highly compartmentalized and separated to new built isolated secret cities with no outside contact. Old school racism at work. Slavs were brutish barely White men. Not even White to some Old Western European views of the era. They weren't smart or cunning enough to infiltrate the Ubermen of the USA
And they never did it.Jews gave A bomb to soviets.But,soviets still had problems with mass production.That is why USA should provoke war in 1950 and drop their 300+ bombs on soviet cities and armies.
Not becouse USA cared about Europe freedom,but to prevent soviets from taking over entire world after making enough nukes.
 

Cherico

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And they never did it.Jews gave A bomb to soviets.But,soviets still had problems with mass production.That is why USA should provoke war in 1950 and drop their 300+ bombs on soviet cities and armies.
Not becouse USA cared about Europe freedom,but to prevent soviets from taking over entire world after making enough nukes.

A people should not be judged by their traitors that is inheritely unjust.

I don't judge the polish people for the collaberator's who betrayed their country to work with the nazi's, they were scum of the lowest sort and do not deserve the name pole. Like wise the Rosenburgs were pieces of communist shit who do not deserve the title of jew.
 

ATP

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A people should not be judged by their traitors that is inheritely unjust.

I don't judge the polish people for the collaberator's who betrayed their country to work with the nazi's, they were scum of the lowest sort and do not deserve the name pole. Like wise the Rosenburgs were pieces of communist shit who do not deserve the title of jew.
Rosenbergs get caught.Others not.But you are right,those who served either hitler or sralin was shit.
I only belive,that not jewish soviets would be too stupid to steal or made A bomb on their own in few years.
Jews were no worst or best,but,averagely,more intelligient.
 

planefag

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Thing is its not going to end with Ukraine the inherit logic of these expansions is such that the baltics, and poland up to the vistula river are all targets. This war is at the end of the day about expanding to defensible boarders so they can keep russia safe with fewer people.

Important to note that this is the exact same conclusion NATO has come to - regardless of what the justification (real or purported) is, Russia definitely had no intentions of ending this with just Ukraine. And if they could invade Ukraine without any intervention against them on the strength of "if NATO resists us here, we end the world," there is absolutely nothing stopping them from doing it to Poland next.

That is precisely why NATO is spending all this money and sending all these weapons to Ukraine despite escalation risks and worries - because land war in Europe is an existential threat to the NATO alliance. They clearly believe this. What else could have reversed decades of apathy and appeasement so rapidly and quickly?

Look, I’m just saying we’ve had several years worth of the Globalist/ Liberal World Order calling anything and anyone they didn’t like ‘Russian disinformation’ or ‘Russian Agents’.

Something very very important for you to realize - leftists lie like a rat shits. They will say anything, at any time, to get their way. This is why Orwell spent so much time elaborating on the phenomena of "doublethink" in 1984; it's a very significant cornerstone of their ideology. But also understand that the doublethink is most essential for the "true believers," the self-brainwashing masses and foot soldiers. The demagogues, the leaders, they don't believe anything they say - they're simply telling whatever lie is required to get their way. As Rousseau once penned, "the majority is entitled to force the minority to be free." Under the Collectivist social contract, the "majority" is already right. No argument needed, no logic, no rationale; it's categorical. They're best conceptualized as religious zealots; since their God has already decreed their path to be the chosen way, anything they do in service of it is justified. The means always justify the ends. This is why you see them using arguments like this all the time; invoking people's own morals to criticize them when they themselves despise and deride said principles; and why Saul Alinsky's 4th "rules for radicals" states "make the enemy live up to its own book of rules." If you recall Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged, this is precisely why she spent so much of that book harping on how leftists prance upon the moral high ground to guilt and badger others into doing their way - not because they give a damn about it at all, but because they see it as nothing more than a weakness to be exploited.

In short, they are sociopaths.

Once you understand this, you will never again be misled by their lies, nor ponder how the same people who spent the entire Cold War shamelessly shilling for every single miserable Communist mass-murderer they could find, the same people who were openly mocking Republican Presidential candidates in televised national debates for viewing Russia as the enemy, - the same President who would later refuse to sell Ukraine Javelin missiles before his party impeached the President who DID sell them those missiles for not selling them more - can turn around on a dime and start screeching about The Great Russian Enemy.

This entire war is their fucking fault; aggression they invited by decades of pissweak responses to overt Russian violence. I often sparred with those limp-dicked "foreign policy analysts" on Twitter and the one silver lining on the eve of war was watching all those smug fucks who had insisted Russia Has Legitimate Security Interests and that We Can Deter And Negotiate eat a big steaming pile of crow, admitting they fucked up.

Facepalm... current russia are not fucking marxist

After USSR fell the commies either transformed into oligarchs

Bro, if you think that only happened after the Soviet Union fell, you should talk to anyone who lived in the Soviet Union during those times. Even North Korea - the last Communist state that actually tries really hard to enforce an actual centrally controlled resource distribution model and has a police state so violent and exacting that it by far surpasses any other dictatorship on the face of this Earth - has black markets. That's how integral market activity is to basic human social interaction. Why do you think the mafia took over Russia so quickly after the Soviet Union's collapse? Because they were already running large parts of it. Once the government collapsed under its own weight, they were effectively unopposed and became the new government.

The best definition of a "Marxist-Leninist state" I have ever seen is this: "The definition of a Marxist-Leninist state is a state in which a Marxist-Leninist party has total power." That's it. Because, if you think about it, pure, raw, and utter totalitarianism is intrinsic to any kind of socialist economic model. Consider something as simple as price controls. How can you implement even that fundamental bit of socialist policy and enforce it on the entire economy without a vast surveillance and enforcer apparatus to prevent the economy from continuing as it always did just one step away with illegal barter in the side alleys near the supermarket?

Put your money where your mouth is and abolish mandatory conscription, giving young men a choice between "fight for your country and probably die pointlessly since even united, you don't have the numbers or firepower to actually win" and "stay home and just trade one pseudo-democracy ruled by a bunch of corrupt oligarchs for another".

Don't have a dog in this fight but I'll observe that a nation with 1. mandatory conscription and 2. a right to keep and bear arms for every law-abiding citizen would be 3. a nation in which oligarchical pseudo-democracies would be screwing over a populace that is both well armed and well trained in how to use said arms, to say nothing of them constituting a significant part of the armed forces' expected fighting strength.

Now, how many countries have that particular combination of traits? Hmm. I wonder why.

It's so much worse than this. EVERYONE warned them. Poland warned them. Baltics warned them. UK warned them. Democrats warned them. Republicans warned them since friggin Reagan administration.
Germany didn't just laugh off Trump's warnings. They have laughed off a huge list of western leaders who said the same thing consistently over decades.

This.

Also I will bet money you are not one of the german poor who was relying on this gas for heating their house this winter

Why is Germans suffering the consequences of decades of their own voting habits somehow everyone else's problem? Even if you allege that their democracy is largely a sham, isn't that also their problem? Once upon a time, a bunch of Colonials didn't like their government, and they had no vote to cast about it, either. But they still did something about it, didn't they?

You know... at the very start I wanted putin to win just because those lining up to defeat him are our oppressors.
But I am really coming around to this way of doing things too.

They are defeating putin... in a way that is really undermining their regimes at home. This actually gives me some hope that there is a possibility of an ideal scenario where both putin and the woke world order both get overthrown due to their populations being disgruntled at how they handled the whole thing

I don't know what news you're watching bro but I'm watching Russia get its ass ripped into confetti by obsolete Cold War era weapons stockpiles that were nearing their expiry date anyways (thus literally money already spent and value already lost) and a mere handful of modern state-of-the-art systems that will pay for themselves as a combination of security anxiety and the extended real-world, full-color commercial drives export sales through the roof, lowering unit costs for the purchasing nation(s) of origin.

See my earlier point regarding Germany's responsibility to unfuck their own government because nobody will, or is obligated, to do it for them.

Just saying.

Also did History Learner post his Learnerfesto yet? Did I miss it? Don't let me miss it. I'm looking forward to that.
 

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It was going to happen sooner or later.
Assuming it happened. Nigeria? Well, they have hired the Wagner group or some other Russian deniable assets in the past, so who knows if he isn't just parroting their higher-up's propaganda for a discount on the next deal.
But around Africa, the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) in Washington has found evidence since 2016 of Russian soldiers of fortune in Sudan, South Sudan, Libya, the Central African Republic (CAR), Madagascar and Mozambique.

Botswana, Burundi, Chad, the Comoros, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Congo-Brazzaville, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Nigeria and Zimbabwe are also on the CSIS's list.
 

Arch Dornan

Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Assuming it happened. Nigeria? Well, they have hired the Wagner group or some other Russian deniable assets in the past, so who knows if he isn't just parroting their higher-up's propaganda for a discount on the next deal.
That makes it even better. The glowies redirect some of the arms to Nigeria so the local insurgents hurt Wagner.
 

AmosTrask

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Assuming it happened. Nigeria? Well, they have hired the Wagner group or some other Russian deniable assets in the past, so who knows if he isn't just parroting their higher-up's propaganda for a discount on the next deal.
While we've focused on the Russian menace on our borders Wagner and other Russian PMCs are installing separatist "governments" in African regions with strategic resources Russia needs. It was part of the public report the US shared with NATO.
 

ATP

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He's been quiet for a week or two, which means it'll probably be another week or two before he pops up for another round of Tsoukolous-posting.
What is Tsoukolous posting?
While we've focused on the Russian menace on our borders Wagner and other Russian PMCs are installing separatist "governments" in African regions with strategic resources Russia needs. It was part of the public report the US shared with NATO.

And now i undarstandt why genius KGB lost war on Ukraine - it is gamble to get Africa,they planned it from the start! :)
Jokes aside -they,unless germans,at least have B plan - we lost on Ukraine,but we get Africa.
 

ATP

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The Ancient Aliens host who went from UFO conspiracies to Resident Alien(Extra Terrestrial not illegal immigrants) writer/producer. That's one positive way to channel your delusions.

Thanks.About delusions - i read about american lady who belived in existence of her reptilian alien lover and their babies,and some argentinian dude who claimed that alien chick wanted copulate with him to have babies.
WHERE IS MY CUTE ALIEN GIRLFRIEND? I WANT ONE NOW! ;)
 

Typhonis

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Thanks.About delusions - i read about american lady who belived in existence of her reptilian alien lover and their babies,and some argentinian dude who claimed that alien chick wanted copulate with him to have babies.
WHERE IS MY CUTE ALIEN GIRLFRIEND? I WANT ONE NOW! ;)
Well given you live in Poland, maybe you should look for an American girlfriend. Thus she would fit the Alien stereotype.
 

AmosTrask

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Thanks.About delusions - i read about american lady who belived in existence of her reptilian alien lover and their babies,and some argentinian dude who claimed that alien chick wanted copulate with him to have babies.
WHERE IS MY CUTE ALIEN GIRLFRIEND? I WANT ONE NOW! ;)
You could look for an American tourist. Or go all out on the crazy and get a Russian. There is a risk the Russian might turn out to be KGB later. Myself I like Greek women, Finns, or Swedes. Or Swiss are great but really high maintenance and require a larger expenditure than an Eastern European woman. Not as expensive as an American girlfriend, but those Zurich girls can break an engineer's bank account fast. Fun as long as it lasted though hahaha.
 
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Well given you live in Poland, maybe you should look for an American girlfriend. Thus she would fit the Alien stereotype.
I am not mad enough for that.I prefer normal aliens!
You could look for an American tourist. Or go all out on the crazy and get a Russian. There is a risk the Russian might turn out to be KGB later. Myself I like Greek women, Finns, or Swedes. Or Swiss are great but really high maintenance and require a larger expenditure than an Eastern European woman. Not as expensive as an American girlfriend, but those Zurich girls can break an engineer's bank account fast. Fun as long as it lasted though hahaha.
kgb? only if they are real aliens!
 

AmosTrask

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Never underestimate an antique.

The US lost an F-117 to a SAM system designed in the 1950s, fr'ex.
It has to have had modern gps guidance hooked in. I wonder how they mated 1960s - '70s vacuum tube electronics with modern electronics? Those TU-140/141 are only marginally, by a few hundred meters, more accurate than V2 rockets. It was designed for mass attacks as its accuracy was measured within 15 - 20 kilometers. The missile was designed for tactical nuclear warheads.
 
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Why read what a professional diplomat, former political advisor of Petraeus thinks about how the war will go, if you can read what Petraeus himself, the army general, thinks.
 
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