LordsFire
Internet Wizard
You really do not understand the right wing at all.
Breaking News Robert F Kennedy Jr. is considering a 2024 POTUS Run To Challenge Biden
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Raging Iron Thunder
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For anyone inclined, here's the link to the Joe Rogan RFK Jr. Interview:
I found it rather interesting, but am not knowledgeable enough to argue with his points on the science of vaccines discussed. TLDL: Issue is with toxic compounds put in vaccines (i.e. mercury, formaldehyde), not the actual concept of the vaccine.
His point is that much of the public health vaccine policy, is farmed out to the vaccine industry, aka the pharmaceutical industry. Essentially, his point is that, "how would you feel if the EPA was taking advice from the coal industry on how to write their regulations?" I'm not American or terribly well informed about how the NIH, FDA, CDC actually run so someone else would have to correct me.
I listen to these kind of podcasts off and on while driving, or doing something like cleaning my house.
I found it rather interesting, but am not knowledgeable enough to argue with his points on the science of vaccines discussed. TLDL: Issue is with toxic compounds put in vaccines (i.e. mercury, formaldehyde), not the actual concept of the vaccine.
His point is that much of the public health vaccine policy, is farmed out to the vaccine industry, aka the pharmaceutical industry. Essentially, his point is that, "how would you feel if the EPA was taking advice from the coal industry on how to write their regulations?" I'm not American or terribly well informed about how the NIH, FDA, CDC actually run so someone else would have to correct me.
I listen to these kind of podcasts off and on while driving, or doing something like cleaning my house.
It takes a lot to get people to flip the table, to get people to the point where they dont care about the conquences we are not even remotely close to that point. All peaceful options will be exausted first if were lucky they may just work, but
The right tends to take the constrained view of humanity, as in pretty much every one is some flavor of fuck up and that systems and governance should take said human nature into account when running things.
Just world?
More people on the right expect people to fuck up, they just want conquences so people either learn to stop fucking up (AKA redemption) or be taken out of society so they dont harm others.
The right tends to take the constrained view of humanity, as in pretty much every one is some flavor of fuck up and that systems and governance should take said human nature into account when running things.
Just world?
More people on the right expect people to fuck up, they just want conquences so people either learn to stop fucking up (AKA redemption) or be taken out of society so they dont harm others.
Oh, but I do; it's just I don't feel any need to feed the delusions the Right tells itself about itself, that the rest of the nation sees through pretty easily.
In fact, the reality is the entire Judeo-Christian mythology and religious dogma much of the right pulls it's politics from are completely and utterly based in the 'just world' hypothesis. I mean, how many times have we seen religious nuts in the US say that a storm or earthquake is 'god's vengeance' for some social issue or event that religious folks disapprove of.
Am I the only one who remembers some of the Right say that Hurricane Katrina was 'god's vengence' for allowing homosexuals to exist in our society?
Again, am I the only one who remembers the 'Hurricane Katrina was god's vengeance' crap that came from some on the Right wing in the US back then.
Bigking321
Well-known member
Hmm...
I'll just say that I think you dramatically misunderstand the right and Christians in particular. You are entitled to your beliefs but I think you have completely embraced some bad information.
Do you think that means anything?
You yourself admit it was only "some" on the right saying that. Yet you're claiming it's accurate to apply that to all of them.
Pretty sure that's a fallacy.
No, I just don't treat Christian dogma as sacred or irrefutable, and view the Christian Bible as mostly a pseudo-historical record of environmental, social, and economic events in the ancient world, not a moral guide to living (to many contradictions and war crimes justified by saying 'it was the will of god').
I said a large part of the GOP base, not all of it; after all, there are non-Judeo-Christian parts of the GOP, even if they are generally ignored by the media and society at large.
Blasterbot
Well-known member
pretty sure it wasn't a large portion. are you sure that you aren't accepting some old propaganda you swallowed and never questioned. I doubt even 5% of the GOP at the time thought that.
Bigking321
Well-known member
I mean... that's your viewpoint on Christianity.
But you're making claims about what Christians think and believe. As well as the right as a whole. And they don't seem to be based on actual Christian or right wing beliefs as much as some odd parody of them.
The entire Judeo-Christian mythology is based around the concept of a 'just world'; "Vengenance is mine, sayth the lord" is a pretty fucking clear indicator of a 'just world' mythology, as it essentially says "Even if the fucks get away with stuff in life, I'll get them later when their dead, so even if you don't see 'justice' in life, justice will happen in the afterlife."
Also, what you call a 'parody' of the Right is how the Right often looks from the outside; maybe it doesn't 'feel' accurate to people on the inside, much of the public perception and views of the Right are built on a lot of the US populace looking at the Right from that view, or worse.
The GOP and Right have image problem they just try to gloss over, and say 'well, you don't know the Right as well as you think', instead of maybe wondering why that image of the Right is still influential for public PR.
It's like most of the Right never realized that ignoring how the Dems weaponized corpo marketing tactics to expand their base and smear the GOP was to the GOP's own detriment, and don't understand (outside maybe Trump) the power of modern analytics and PR driven marketing campaigns.
Perception is 99% of reality, and if the GOP want to keep sticking their heads in the sand because they don't like playing the PR game, then they have no one else to blame when they keep losing in the PR battes and public perception.
Bigking321
Well-known member
Shrug.
As long as you make the distinction that you're not talking about how the right and Christians actually are in reality, and are instead talking about how they appear to you through the lens of perception and propaganda.
That should clear up any confusion or offense. Because of course we're slandered by culture and the media. Always have been. No big deal. A fallen world diametrically opposed to good and all that.
As long as you make the distinction that you're not talking about how the right and Christians actually are in reality, and are instead talking about how they appear to you through the lens of perception and propaganda.
That should clear up any confusion or offense. Because of course we're slandered by culture and the media. Always have been. No big deal. A fallen world diametrically opposed to good and all that.
Ok why are you bringing up this to me I'm Jewish. I don't have any right to speak for that community.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
You're wrong about literally all of this, excepting a miniscule fringe that the media likes to put a lot of focus and attention on.
Put another way, you're still buying the leftist propaganda about the 'religious right.' Again, another indicator of why I say you still think like a leftist, because you still spout their propaganda talking points.
Committed Christians generally believe the exact opposite of a 'just world.' They believe this world is sinful, fallen, and broken. That evil and corrupt men will seek power, tell pretty lies to people to get them to give it. That this world is all too often ruled by literal or metaphorical servants of the devil, and that just and virtuous men in power is the exception, not the rule.
When America was founded, it was founded to be the exception, but it has long since left that behind in so many ways.
We are not in a 'fallen world', we are the only world that everyone mortal shares, no matter the creed or religion.
There was never a paradise or eden we fell from; that whole shebang is just there to create 'original sin' to use to guilt trip/scare people into compliance with whatever the Temple/Vatican/religious heads wanted.
There's more evidence for Atlantis than there is for the Garden of Eden, though I guess maybe a 'Garden of Eden' could have been part of Atlantis and it's another of those long games of cultural telephone that is humanities only link to whatever was around in the pre-Younger Dryas times.
You specifically, no; but I wasn't just responding to you, was I?
Also, the first words of Judeo-Christian are Judeo; a lot of the stupidity and historical narrative crafting that ended up getting pushed into Christianity started in the Old Testament. Plus, well, Abraham's successors committed there fair share of warcrimes on the Canaanites and others around that area before they were able to establish their own nation and build the Temple.
Though at this point I doubt many Jews hold to the 'just world' hypothesis the way many Christians still do; after all the shit the Jewish people have been through since the damn Babylonians and Romans decided to fuck with them, the 'just world' hypothesis probably doesn't hold much water to them.
Again, there was never an Eden or paradise to 'decend/fall' from, unless it was as a very twisted retelling of either pre-desertification Mesopotamia, or of something out of Atlantis that was absorbed into the Judeo-CHristian mythology as a way to create 'original sin'.
Also, not so 'miniscule' a fringe as you would like, nor nearly as inconsequential to public image as you think it should be. Just because the Right sucks at the PR game and PR management, doesn't mean that the public perception can just be dismissed.
Just saying 'you think like a Leftist still' is absolutely worthless to actually dealing with the Right's PR problems; it's just dismissal and attempting to dodge dealing with the PR issues that come with this shit.
Though at least the GOP isn't alone with image issues right now, thanks to the kiddie-fucker-in-chief in DC.
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Bigking321
Well-known member
Hmm...
Well the declarations about various religions being fake and the real problem with the right are... fascinating, but we seemed to have drifted pretty far from any discussion of RFK.
Agree to disagree?
Well the declarations about various religions being fake and the real problem with the right are... fascinating, but we seemed to have drifted pretty far from any discussion of RFK.
Agree to disagree?
To be fair yeah culturaly we expect things to go wrong and plan accordingly.
ShieldWife
Marchioness
Yeah, it’s unfair when totalitarian regimes oppress undesirables and dissidents. We never say that Soviets, Nazis, or the Taliban are unfair. Why is there an expectation that our totalitarians are fair? Not because conservatives think that the world is just, but because we have a mono-party and establishment that is dedicated to tricking us into thinking that the system is fair and legitimate, that our votes count, that rule of law matters. People saying that things are unfair are just those who have taken the red pill and are starting to realize things aren’t fair. If you’ve already known for a while, then it’s as absurdly obvious as saying North Korea is unfair.
I have to take issue with saying that Christians believe that the world is just. One of the main points of Christianity is that the world isn’t fair, that virtuous people are persecuted and that evil people succeed. Christians who think that gay people cause hurricanes are such a tiny minority who are contradicting some of the core tenets of the religion.
I have to take issue with saying that Christians believe that the world is just. One of the main points of Christianity is that the world isn’t fair, that virtuous people are persecuted and that evil people succeed. Christians who think that gay people cause hurricanes are such a tiny minority who are contradicting some of the core tenets of the religion.
So a heavily armed man tried to infil RFK Jr's security detail, using what is said to be something that seemed like a US Marshal's badge, but was contained and detained by RFK Jr's private security, since Biden and DC will not ok Secret Sevice protection for him, despite announcing his run for 2024.
DarthOne
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Not the biggest fan of RFK Jr, but if he gets assassinated, things are going to get ugly fast. As it’s another strike on the USA’s ever growing list of ‘bannana republic’ offenses.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
You all know I’m no conspiracy theorist but that is an…odd…set of circumstances indeed. I think RFK should pump some more cash into his private security.
He may have further need of them.
He may have further need of them.
Honestly I think thats going to be the wave of the future for any one who runs against the establishment private security.