Breaking News Robert F Kennedy Jr. is considering a 2024 POTUS Run To Challenge Biden

[ShieldWife]

I thought that RFK would take away from Trump. It’s not just about policies, it’s about the psychology of the voters. People who vote for Biden vote for who they are told to vote for. They likely don’t know very much about Kennedy aside from him being an evil person that they shouldn’t vote for.

Trump voters aren’t voting for who they are told to vote for, they may be voting for Trump because he opposes the establishment and Kennedy does that too. They are more likely to actually know what Kennedy’s positions are and to be swayed by possible agreements.

 

[Terthna]

A lot of Trump supporters are ex democrats who just hate what dems have become so much that they're voting Trump, despite not liking him.

RFK gives them a third option. Hell, I'm one of those Trump voting ex-democrats, and I even considered RFK for a little bit, until all his woke and reparations bullshit.

Which makes me think either those Trump voting ex-democrats have no idea what RFK's platform is, or the poll is complete bullhonky.

 

[Rocinante]

Which makes me think either those Trump voting ex-democrats have no idea what RFK's platform is, or the poll is complete bullhonky.

It's what shielfwife said.

They don't really like Trump, they just want to vote against the establishment.

That's how you ended up with Bernie bros voting for Trump in 2016.

 

[Blasterbot]

it isn't a large number but at this point it is a battle in the margins of the swing states. who is hurt more by RFK is a genuine question. the overwhelming majority of Dems will vote blue no matter who. RFK trying to break the mold there means most won't like it. He also appeals to the same demographics that Trump appeals to in general. I.E. less educated and white. It is why Trump has to be careful in what he does to attack RFK. attacking him for being anti-establishment will hurt Trump and turn off his base. Attacking him for being a progressive democrat though? that has potential. Bring up the reparations talk. hammer him on the anti-gun stances. expose the bullshit that is his green policies when they would cripple us economically when we need to be doing what we can to fix the economy.

 

[Rocinante]

it isn't a large number but at this point it is a battle in the margins of the swing states. who is hurt more by RFK is a genuine question. the overwhelming majority of Dems will vote blue no matter who. RFK trying to break the mold there means most won't like it. He also appeals to the same demographics that Trump appeals to in general. I.E. less educated and white. It is why Trump has to be careful in what he does to attack RFK. attacking him for being anti-establishment will hurt Trump and turn off his base. Attacking him for being a progressive democrat though? that has potential. Bring up the reparations talk. hammer him on the anti-gun stances. expose the bullshit that is his green policies when they would cripple us economically when we need to be doing what we can to fix the economy.

The problem with the anti establishment crowd, and I was (am) one of them, is that they know the candidate won't win, and specific policies don't matter. It's just to say "fuck you," to the establishment.

I voted for Jill Stein in 2012. Not because I support her policies, but because "fuck you, Obama," and that's about the end of it.

That played a part in my 2020 Trump vote, too. However, I also saw Trump as the best option and having a chance to win, too.

I was still not totally over my lefty ways in 2016 and voted Hillary instead of Gary Johnson at the last minute, because I bought into a lot of the Trump fear mongering. In hindsight, I think that was the wrong way to vote, and I'm glad Trump won. I should have just voted for Gary or Trump. After 4 years, I realized 90% of the fear mongering wasn't true, and happily voted for him in 2020.

My point being, to those of us who refuse to opt out of voting all together because we see it as a civic duty, having a "fuck you" candidate provides an option to make sure you're still participating in your Civic duties, while not supporting the shitty establishment. Their particular policies hardly even matter. I've considered voting RFK in '24 for this very reason. I just think this one is too important to just hand it to the dems, so I'll be voting republican this time regardless.

 

[Bacle]

So RFK Jr. has picked his VP.

 

[Rocinante]

So RFK Jr. has picked his VP.

Never heard of her

 

[The Whispering Monk]

One of his big donors from CA IIRC.

 

[VictortheMonarch]

One of his big donors from CA IIRC.

She also has ties to the World Economic Forum, so she's just another puppet of Soros, meaning that Kennedy might be another snake in the grass.

 

[Cherico]

She also has ties to the World Economic Forum, so she's just another puppet of Soros, meaning that Kennedy might be another snake in the grass.

he's also likely to draw votes away from biden so you know.

 

[Blasterbot]

She also has ties to the World Economic Forum, so she's just another puppet of Soros, meaning that Kennedy might be another snake in the grass.

My understanding is it allows her to ignore some finance laws about how much she can put towards the campaign. near as I can tell she is a proggerssive idealist. this is him leaning such that he will hurt the dems more than trump.

 

[VictortheMonarch]

he's also likely to draw votes away from biden so you know.

Won't draw away votes from illegals. You know that's what they're planning. They've already tried to get it put into law in some areas, with obvious fails.

 

[Zachowon]

He will draw the vote in important states

 

[Robovski]

Sooo looking forward to a big split.

 

[strunkenwhite]

Sooo looking forward to a big split.

I'm curious what you mean by big split. I don't expect Kennedy to crack 7% nationally, but the percentage will vary from state to state, and even a few percent could be plenty in a close state depending on who he takes votes from ... which come to think of it may also vary by state.

 

[Robovski]

Anything that splits a party widens the field. The reason everyone says if you aren't voting for the big two you are throwing away your vote is because of those monolithic blocks. If they are both split the election gets interesting again instead of Biden/Trump 2 electric boogaloo. It'd be a real nice time for some third party action if anyone worth a damn would show up to lead a party. As you can tell I think the whole election is a trash fire and so seeing the Dems split at all should make for decent infighting that probably won't change anything but in my dreams it does.

 

[IndyFront]

With the way the polls are showing they're all in the margin of error and RFK pulls from both roughly equally iirc, so it is literally impossible to predict the outcome of the election with what we have

 

[Husky_Khan]

Democrats in Nevada are suing to keep Robert F. Kennedy Jr off of the ballot in that state, arguing he's not a true 'independent' but only a spoiler for the Biden Campaign.

In a court filing, Morales, a vice-chair of the Nevada Democratic Party, and Rockenfeller, who said he is "a registered Republican," accuse Kennedy and Shanahan of seeking "to game their way onto Nevada's ballot in order to play spoiler after the Democratic Party rejected his candidacy."

Dems sue RFK Jr. over Nevada presidential bid — saying he’s not really ‘independent,’ wants to ‘play spoiler’

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is not a political independent under Nevada law and should be disqualified from Silver State ballots, two voters allege in a lawsuit filed in state court Thursday.

nypost.com

 

[strunkenwhite]

Democrats in Nevada are suing to keep Robert F. Kennedy Jr off of the ballot in that state, arguing he's not a true 'independent' but only a spoiler for the Biden Campaign.

I'm against anti-spoiler laws and anti-fusionist laws, but not against anti-sore-loser laws. I'm not sure what the Nevada law being used to support this lawsuit is. Either way, not the best of looks.

(Respectively: "running with the objective to hurt another party/candidate(s) instead of for one's own sake"; "running as the nominee of more than one party"; "running for but losing the nomination of a party, then going independent to run in the general election against that same party, which you would normally be affiliated with")

 

[Husky_Khan]

I'm against anti-spoiler laws and anti-fusionist laws, but not against anti-sore-loser laws. I'm not sure what the Nevada law being used to support this lawsuit is. Either way, not the best of looks.

(Respectively: "running with the objective to hurt another party/candidate(s) instead of for one's own sake"; "running as the nominee of more than one party"; "running for but losing the nomination of a party, then going independent to run in the general election against that same party, which you would normally be affiliated with")

The only blurb that deals with the Nevada Law from the article is here:

Nevada law defines an independent candidate as someone "who is registered with no political party affiliation" and states that "a person may not file as an independent candidate if he or she is proposing to run as the candidate of a political party."

Maybe if your a legal eagle it makes legal sense that RFK Jr isn't an "Independent" candidate but it seems pretty spurious anyways.

I'm not even the sure of the logic of it using just common sense. I don't see how RFK Jr could clearly draw away votes just from Biden and not from Trump as well considering how contrarian he is to both parties and candidates. The right wing media might report on him more positively, but that's because the left wing and mainstream media doesn't report positively on any candidate to any degree besides Biden.

If the Right Wing media outlets are praising RFK Jr... that means it'll target right wing voters primarily. RFK Jr might draw away some Democratic voters but they'd be like "Post-Left" Glenn Greenwald and Jimmy Dore types who seem pretty niche as is anyways.

Might as well call Jill Stein or Cornel West spoilers, I think they're more aligned with the "Democratic Campaign" in a general sense, far more then RKF Jr is.