Zyobot
Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
Too true, LOL.
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Too true, LOL.
I know what Cost+ contracts are, and why they are a thing.
They help keep the lights on, tooling machines maintained, and skilled workers employed between contracts, even if the contracting company may not be profitable over a given length of time due to how a lot of DoD stuff can end up with unexpected overruns due to things discovered during R&D/testing.
StormEagle
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It's sad the the one bipartisan thing we see in this nation is pro war bullshit.
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I'm not an ancap such as yourself, but I absolutely share your anti war sentiment. And watching all these people repeat the same kind of neocon and lib lines that got us into Iraq and Afghanistan is frustrating.
My opinion from the very beginning of this is that it's none of our business what goes on over there, let them sort it out. We aren't the world police.
But people have insisted to me since this started how utterly demolished Russia is getting...but here we are more than a year later and the war rages on with no end in sight.
Of course some of the pro war people will come in here to tell me the same old lines about how they're using up old equipment, etc etc.
We'll see. From my studies, it appears that Russia can take a year or so to really get their shit together In a conflict.
This drain of life and resources isn't going to end ANY time soon. Especially as long as tne US is discouraging peace talks. Can't let the defense contractors miss out on rhe money they can make off of this.
Utterly ridiculous to see democrats and Republicans uniting over THIS. I am disgusted and disappointed.
Skallagrim
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Well, when the Russians are bombing Ukraine on the daily, and invading with ground troops for over a year now, yes, helping provide the munitions and intel to bomb Russians and drive them out of Ukraine does become a bipartisan point of politics.
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The fighting could end tomorrow if Putin would just remove his troops back behind Ukraine's 1991 borders and stop firing across the border.
Putin's madness is the reason there is a invasion at all.
Russia doesn't even have it's 'shit together' like the USSR did; they are having to lean on North Korea and Iran for tech help, because the Soviet schooling system went to shit in 82-86, so most of the engineers and techs are hitting retirement age with few people to replace them inside the country.
There's a reason Russia's oil infrastructure was mostly maintained by Western companies, and not people actually from Russia.
He's not going to stop with nothing. He's not going to walk away from this with absolutely nothing. Nukes will fly before that happens.
The only way this ends is through peace talks and negotiations.
Russia has an industrial base backing them, Ukraine has money from other nations.
Russia can keep this going for a long, long time. And they will. Meanwhile each side continues to escalate, Russia is making friends with China and we head further towards nuclear war.
I see marduk is in here now to come in and preach to a bunch of Americans how important it is that we spend our tax dollars to keep him and his country safe, too. At least his position makes sense, as he has a pretty solid interest in keeping Russia at bay.
Yes, Russia was wrong to invade Ukraine, but that doesn't mean I think it's any of our business to worry about. Just as I said in the very beginning of any of this. I don't actually give a shit if Russia takes part of Ukraine. Its just not a concern. I don't care about Ukraine. A lot of them WANT TO be part of Russia anyways. Others are literally out there wearing nazi symbols. I do care about my tax dollars funding a war that could pop off and go nuclear at any time, though.
No, Putin is likely not walking away with anything, including his life.
Between his own ill health and the oligarchs who are turning against the war, Putin won't see the end of this conflict, unless he orders his troops home now.
And the Russian nuclear command chain has a 3 man rule, instead of 2 man like ours, so Putin would have to convince even more people to commit suicide with him if he wants to do that, and Shoigu isn't suicidal, even if he is incompetent.
Not on their own; routing Russian forces and pushing them back across the border would definitely make negotiations easier for the West and Ukraine, instead of relying on Putin's word while he still has troops on Ukrainian soil.
Ukraine also has a decent industrial base of their own; most of the USSR's top shit came from Ukraine, not Russia, and the Ukrainians have put serious air defenses around their industrial sites, as well as move some industrial work out of the country to NATO where Russia won't be able to lob missiles at it.
Helping defend Ukraine is not 'escalation'; the only people who keep escalating things are the Russians.
And again, the 3 man rule in Russian nuke chains mean Putin cannot order nuclear strikes on his own, and Shoigu and the oligarhcs aren't suicidal, and some are already trying to find ways to replace Putin.
Russia threatens nukes over anything and everything; they threatened nukes when Trump sold Javelin's to Ukraine years ago, yet no nukes flew.
Pretty much every nation who has been under Moscow's thumb wants to make sure they never are again, including the people of Poland and Ukraine; is that really surprising?
Very, very few people in Ukraine want to be part of Russia; have you completely forgotten the 'referendums' that were held at gun-point in Crimea and the Donbass to 'legitimize' Putin's little green men?
Ukraine nearly had the Russian mercs in the Donbass beat years ago, then Russia started firing arty across the border and rolled tank columns into the Donbas while claiming it wasn't the Russian military, just 'little green men' doing things on their own.
And you keep proving you do care about Russia's invasion of Ukraine, because you keep taking Russian nuclear threats about Western aid seriously. And Ukraine's history with the Nazi's vs Soviets is a clusterfuck of genocides and betrayals because both Stalin and Hitler fucked with them at different points. The Holomodor was within living memory of much of the population when the Nazi's rolled in, and they thought the German's would save Ukraine from Stalin; they were wrong, even if the Nazi's pretend to 'free' Ukraine for a little bit, before the Jewish round-ups began. I'd prefer the Ukrainians not look up to people who worked with the Nazi's but I cannot change the complicated and ugly history of what happened in Ukraine in WW2 or how it has effected them till now.
Your country is in NATO, so it does have to care about security of its members and what ends up on their borders - a Russia hyped up on successful imperial reconquista would not help that. It also signed the Budapest Memorandum, in which it, alongside UK and Russia, promised Ukraine security in exchange for giving up nuclear weapons. If you are so worried about the risk of nuclear warfare, consider the effect such turnarounds where written security guarantees from even world's only superpower turn out to be worthless would have on any future of nuclear non-proliferation, nevermind disarmament.
And even if you want to preach isolationist delusions, at least do us a favor and don't mix outright Russian propaganda factoids into it. No "a lot of Ukraine" doesn't want to be part of Russia, certainly not since Russia started showing their true colors regarding their relationship,
or this:
Yeah, sure, Russian "industrial base" and honor among red thieves, much value, very trustworthy, also insert a little generic nuclear scaremongering for a bonus.
And i don't care about Ukraine's failure to be as PC as post 1990's western armies, i think western armies should go back to the earlier cold war times in this regard, not the other way around.
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Imagine defending the bankruptcy of America, the loss of our civil liberties (there's a law on the docket now that would result in 20 year prison sentences for anyone challenging the national narrative using foreign websites) and the permanent death of our Republic just so a bunch of boomers can have one last hurrah against a bunch of barbarians in snow Congo.
Zyobot
Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
Otherwise, definitely something for the Funny Meme Video thread. Apparently, it’s fine to post political comedy there, for reasons I never understood?
mrttao
Well-known member
Not realistic, she didn't show the 4th graders any straight porn.
Nor tell them to keep it a secret from their parents.