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The companies still produce the equipment which has proven to he superior to that of our adversaries.
That's what matters.
Do i agree with DEI and ESG? No, but if the companies produce the shit that kills our enemies, I don't care what the internal practices are
What happens when ESG and DEI become more important to the company than their quality control or hiring qualifications?

Do we need to have a repeat of the Mk 14 torpedo clusterfuck due to ESG/DEI focus messing with company priorities before the DoD realizes wokeness in it's main contractors is a liability, not an asset?
 
This.

Wokeness is cancer. It will rot and destroy smaller companies, bring giants to their knees and make them sickly, or at worst parasitize and puppetize them like Cordyceps.

Stamp it out when you can.
Amen.I hope,that we still have time to act.

What happens when ESG and DEI become more important to the company than their quality control or hiring qualifications?

Do we need to have a repeat of the Mk 14 torpedo clusterfuck due to ESG/DEI focus messing with company priorities before the DoD realizes wokeness in it's main contractors is a liability, not an asset?

Exactly.Soviets fucked this way their ammo production before WW1 - old russians engineers were making that,but they were no commies.
So,they get genocided,and replaced with real commies,which fucked production...and as a result killed as enemy agents.
 
What happens when ESG and DEI become more important to the company than their quality control or hiring qualifications?

Do we need to have a repeat of the Mk 14 torpedo clusterfuck due to ESG/DEI focus messing with company priorities before the DoD realizes wokeness in it's main contractors is a liability, not an asset?
For defense, ESG and DEI will always be more important to the company than quality control. ESG and especially DEI are used as shields vs lawsuits, which are practically the only way for a DOD contractor to lose money. Quality doesn't matter at all, as all costs are paid for by the DOD.
 
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What happens when ESG and DEI become more important to the company than their quality control or hiring qualifications?

Do we need to have a repeat of the Mk 14 torpedo clusterfuck due to ESG/DEI focus messing with company priorities before the DoD realizes wokeness in it's main contractors is a liability, not an asset?
Because the military won't buy things if they don't work anymore.
Especially since the DoD is heavily reliant on soldier protection.
We can see this with the halting and forcing the IHPS to be changed
 
What happens when ESG and DEI become more important to the company than their quality control or hiring qualifications?

Do we need to have a repeat of the Mk 14 torpedo clusterfuck due to ESG/DEI focus messing with company priorities before the DoD realizes wokeness in it's main contractors is a liability, not an asset?
That's the real concern.

There's no sign things are quite that bad yet, but if the institutional rot is given time to spread and fester, we very easily could end up there.
 


That's the real concern.

There's no sign things are quite that bad yet, but if the institutional rot is given time to spread and fester, we very easily could end up there.
For defense contractors, the rot has been there for decades. The DOD contractors are essentially communist, as they operate in a way that socializes losses. Imagine how good our weapon systems would be right now if we actually acted like a capitalist country when it came to funding weapon systems? Imagine how much cheaper things would be?
 



For defense contractors, the rot has been there for decades. The DOD contractors are essentially communist, as they operate in a way that socializes losses. Imagine how good our weapon systems would be right now if we actually acted like a capitalist country when it came to funding weapon systems? Imagine how much cheaper things would be?

The cheapness isn't the issue.
Have you looked at how acquisition is actually going these days?
Explain how the DoD contractors are not being utilized properly
 



For defense contractors, the rot has been there for decades. The DOD contractors are essentially communist, as they operate in a way that socializes losses. Imagine how good our weapon systems would be right now if we actually acted like a capitalist country when it came to funding weapon systems? Imagine how much cheaper things would be?

Military gear needs to be effective, more than it needs to be cheap, and the industries that handle military contracts are not something you can just spin up on a whim if you idle them for years. The employees with necessary clearances/skills are not easy to come by at the best of times, and will move on/retire if they do not have work.

Yes corruption in the process and 'socialization of losses' does occur; but better to socialize the revenue losses, rather than the body count if cheap shit ends up cost lives that would have otherwise not died.

Cost+ contracts in the DoD exist because the overhead for running high end DoD contracting on a continuous basis, and on multiple projects at once for many contracting groups, will not always be profitable or 'revenue positive' in a given length of time.
 
The cheapness isn't the issue.
Have you looked at how acquisition is actually going these days?
Explain how the DoD contractors are not being utilized properly
Again. It's the cost plus contract. There is zero incentive for a company to reduce cost. In fact, there's incentive for them to raise costs without raising performance.

Military gear needs to be effective, more than it needs to be cheap, and the industries that handle military contracts are not something you can just spin up on a whim if you idle them for years. The employees with necessary clearances/skills are not easy to come by at the best of times, and will move on/retire if they do not have work.
Military gear also needs to be cheap. There are a limited number of resources, and so cheaper also means better. You are utterly ignoring that people die from not having stuff, as well as having ineffective stuff. But as it turns out, if you want effective and cheap, there's a solution! It's called capitalism.

Cost+ contracts in the DoD exist because the overhead for running high end DoD contracting on a continuous basis, and on multiple projects at once for many contracting groups, will not always be profitable or 'revenue positive' in a given length of time.
Cost plus contracts exist in the DOD because the MIC owns enough of congress. Just look how Lockheed strategically locates factories in congressional districts so the congresspeople know that their votes depend on being pro whatever stupid waste of money they want this time.


Also, it strikes me as hilarious how you were complaining about 'but what if rot sets into the DOD and MIC?' here:
What happens when ESG and DEI become more important to the company than their quality control or hiring qualifications?

Do we need to have a repeat of the Mk 14 torpedo clusterfuck due to ESG/DEI focus messing with company priorities before the DoD realizes wokeness in it's main contractors is a liability, not an asset?
Yet the second someone points out that they are already rotten, you deny that the rot exists, while still worrying about future rot.

Fortunately, I have good news: You will never see any rot in the DOD or their contractors as long as you keep up this mindset!
 
Again. It's the cost plus contract. There is zero incentive for a company to reduce cost. In fact, there's incentive for them to raise costs without raising performance.


Military gear also needs to be cheap. There are a limited number of resources, and so cheaper also means better. You are utterly ignoring that people die from not having stuff, as well as having ineffective stuff. But as it turns out, if you want effective and cheap, there's a solution! It's called capitalism.


Cost plus contracts exist in the DOD because the MIC owns enough of congress. Just look how Lockheed strategically locates factories in congressional districts so the congresspeople know that their votes depend on being pro whatever stupid waste of money they want this time.


Also, it strikes me as hilarious how you were complaining about 'but what if rot sets into the DOD and MIC?' here:

Yet the second someone points out that they are already rotten, you deny that the rot exists, while still worrying about future rot.

Fortunately, I have good news: You will never see any rot in the DOD or their contractors as long as you keep up this mindset!
Cheap is jow we get things like the IHPS that has worse protection then the ECH and ACH.
Cheap is how we get broken equipment and the joke of "the cheapest bidder wins"
Believe it or not, the DoD has been doing a lot better, because the check writers have told them they can't waste the money needlessly like they used too.
The budget plans are forcing the DoD to get good worthwhile products out
Do bad things slip through, yes. Zumwalt and the LCP things.
As with the IHPS.
Because they were, the cheaper bids.

He'll, we have something one considered a waste of money, the Bradley, showing it is well worth the price we paid for it, protecting its crew and the ones it carries and surviving 122mm Grad rockets to the face.

Cheap is not how you build the military equipment, because if there is any corruption or rot that takes money, it just means less goes to the actual component.
Just ask the Russians....

And I can tell you, the Military does years and years and years of testing to make sure something is worth the money, and will drop it if it ain't.
The Hypersonic Air Launched Cruise missile is one.
 
Again. It's the cost plus contract. There is zero incentive for a company to reduce cost. In fact, there's incentive for them to raise costs without raising performance.


Military gear also needs to be cheap. There are a limited number of resources, and so cheaper also means better. You are utterly ignoring that people die from not having stuff, as well as having ineffective stuff. But as it turns out, if you want effective and cheap, there's a solution! It's called capitalism.


Cost plus contracts exist in the DOD because the MIC owns enough of congress. Just look how Lockheed strategically locates factories in congressional districts so the congresspeople know that their votes depend on being pro whatever stupid waste of money they want this time.


Also, it strikes me as hilarious how you were complaining about 'but what if rot sets into the DOD and MIC?' here:

Yet the second someone points out that they are already rotten, you deny that the rot exists, while still worrying about future rot.

Fortunately, I have good news: You will never see any rot in the DOD or their contractors as long as you keep up this mindset!
I abhore the rot in the DoD/MIC because it makes the DoD/MIC less effective than it should be, not because I dislike them as institutions.
 
Cheap is jow we get things like the IHPS that has worse protection then the ECH and ACH.
Cheap is how we get broken equipment and the joke of "the cheapest bidder wins"
Believe it or not, the DoD has been doing a lot better, because the check writers have told them they can't waste the money needlessly like they used too.
The budget plans are forcing the DoD to get good worthwhile products out
Do bad things slip through, yes. Zumwalt and the LCP things.
As with the IHPS.
Because they were, the cheaper bids.

He'll, we have something one considered a waste of money, the Bradley, showing it is well worth the price we paid for it, protecting its crew and the ones it carries and surviving 122mm Grad rockets to the face.

Cheap is not how you build the military equipment, because if there is any corruption or rot that takes money, it just means less goes to the actual component.
Just ask the Russians....

And I can tell you, the Military does years and years and years of testing to make sure something is worth the money, and will drop it if it ain't.
The Hypersonic Air Launched Cruise missile is one.
The military does years and years more testing than it needs to because the MIC can charge for those years and years of testing. Look, I, a short time ago, used to think that the MIC was an ugly but necessary part of the US's national defense. Then I worked as a sub for a sub at Boeing. I talked to someone who was paid for an entire year before she got her laptop and could do any work. I, despite my best efforts, got nearly nothing done because the job description was entirely incorrect and I was a bad hire (I was told I needed to know C++, as that was what the program was written in, but actually that was entirely irrelevant, for just one example). I left after six months, and people thought I did well. I had to fight and claw to get nearly anything done at all, and they wouldn't had cared if I had sat and done nothing. About half of my time there was spent in irrelevant meetings, so I was able to watch nearly the entire Johnny Depp trial, for one (I was rarely in the lab, though I did have clearance).

To cut a long story short, there was absolutely zero insistence on getting anything done ever, and there's a reason for this: Boeing is paid on a cost plus contract. The long that contract goes, the more money they get. Them actually completing the contract means they get less money. This is nearly every military contractor, though I have heard Boeing is the worst. When I worked at a different company, there was at least progress, but again, there was zero pressure to get anything done on any schedule.

At best, you have people who's motivation is pride in their work. This is how anything ever gets done. I have a lot of respect for the people who actually try to get shit done. But ultimately, they are the exception, not the rule, in the MIC. The only reliable motivator is money, and money doesn't motivate success in the MIC, but stagnation.

I abhore the rot in the DoD/MIC because it makes the DoD/MIC less effective than it should be, not because I dislike them as institutions.
You will never notice the rot in the DoD's MIC because you do not realize that the rot is the entire point of the institution, which wears an American flag as a skinsuit.
 
And yet I also have contractors that work out of the one I work in, that they do work constantly and are basically given what ever and are considered more important then us half the damn time.

You can blanket every company contract this way.
We had contractors in Korea who had to do more then they were hired to in amount of work, because they were needed that badly.


Now, if you define what kind of contracts, for instance most involving armaments is intended heavily monitored because of thier value.

He'll, I had ti deal with a bunch ig Boeing contractors and employees because we had to ship a fuckijg ADV to Cali because it wasn't fucking working and the Army told us we had too
 
And yet I also have contractors that work out of the one I work in, that they do work constantly and are basically given what ever and are considered more important then us half the damn time.

You can blanket every company contract this way.
We had contractors in Korea who had to do more then they were hired to in amount of work, because they were needed that badly.


Now, if you define what kind of contracts, for instance most involving armaments is intended heavily monitored because of thier value.

He'll, I had ti deal with a bunch ig Boeing contractors and employees because we had to ship a fuckijg ADV to Cali because it wasn't fucking working and the Army told us we had too
The contractors work directly with people in the military are not the contractors I'm really talking about. Their job is basically a normal job: Do X, get paid for doing X, just they get paid better. Here, there's not much of an issue, or at least any issue is much less than what I'm talking about. You'll only see minor bloat.

I'm talking more R&D contracts especially, which is where I worked. These are just complete and utter bloat, and that is intentional. This is where cost plus contracts come in. And even when it's not cost+, you aren't being paid to provide a weapon; you are being paid to develop a weapon. So when (really if) you finish developing the weapon, you stop being paid. And even if your company gets the manufacturing contract, your manager's manager still looks bad, as his total contracts went down and now he has to scramble to find a new contract to slot you on. Better to just keep developing and get another contract for the next time period.

This also leads to certain systems being kept far past when they should have been retired. Why? Because the people in charge of that project had enough sway to keep that project alive, even if it was increasingly wasteful.

BTW, for just one more example of minor bloat, I remember my department head was considering whether or not to get a software license for everyone. Only really one of us needed it, but she was thinking out loud when getting it. The idea of saving money never even entered her mind. And why would it? It was pointless to do so. This wasn't a bad person, and this wasn't at Boeing, but it was so casual and thoughtless that it showed me that this happens all the time, and that these little wastes add up.


As for other contracts that aren't cost+, yes, non-cost+ are the majority. But they are by far the worst and easiest target for me to show their clear problem. The problem for all contracts, however, is an information problem. Basically, the prices for things are rarely dictated by just market forces, but also but what is allocated by congress, which is directly controlled by politicians, who need votes of people who work for defense contractors. Obviously, that sort of graft is harder to directly demonstrate than what I have personal knowledge of, hence my focus on cost+ stuff.
 
You will never notice the rot in the DoD's MIC because you do not realize that the rot is the entire point of the institution, which wears an American flag as a skinsuit.
No it is not, that's your ANCAP bias/BS and bad work experience exaggerating things massively for rhetorical flourish and political posturing.
 

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