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Captain X

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Well, that’s your failure of both reading comprehension and logic, not mine.
No, the problem is either with your inability to explain yourself due to your bigotry against gay people taking up so much of your attention, or just that I got it right but you don't really want to admit it. Perhaps you should go back over it and explain it in a way that doesn't make you look like you don't want the races to mix. Just a suggestion. ;)
 

Curved_Sw0rd

Just Like That Bluebird
No, the problem is either with your inability to explain yourself due to your bigotry against gay people taking up so much of your attention, or just that I got it right but you don't really want to admit it. Perhaps you should go back over it and explain it in a way that doesn't make you look like you don't want the races to mix. Just a suggestion. ;)
I think accusations of racism and homophobia don't move the needle nearly as much as they might've before the great awokening. You're not making a good argument.
 

JagerIV

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No, the problem is either with your inability to explain yourself due to your bigotry against gay people taking up so much of your attention, or just that I got it right but you don't really want to admit it. Perhaps you should go back over it and explain it in a way that doesn't make you look like you don't want the races to mix. Just a suggestion. ;)

Once again though, where is he wrong? If he had phrased it that by the logic of legalizing race mixing, we must also legalize gay marriage, both of which I believe you supported, what is your disagreement?
 

PsihoKekec

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JagerIV

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The "slippery slope" argument he brought up. What he said seems pretty straightforward to me.

Yeah, and I'm pretty sure you've more or less made arguments for the slippery slope. Like I said, I'm pretty sure you supported multi racial marriage and gay marriage. Both on much the same reasons. Like I've said before, I think you've pretty much made arguments for his point in the past, you just don't like his phrasing of it or continuing the logical next step of the belief structure.

Recognizing that a ball rolling down the hill will continue to roll down the hill doesn't seem particularly unreasonable, especially with no argument about why it would stop.

Edit: Stating something is a slippery slope argument doesn't, well, undermine the slippery slope argument. Because, as much as it gets bandied around as some sort of fallacy, but this is more or less nonsense.

From the Slippery slope page:

Kahane says, "The slippery slope fallacy is committed only when we accept without further justification or argument that once the first step is taken, the others are going to follow, or that whatever would justify the first step would in fact justify the rest."[9] The problem then arises as to how to evaluate the likelihood that certain steps would follow.

Volokh's article "The Mechanisms of the Slippery Slope"[24] sets out to examine the various ways in which making one decision might render another decision more likely. He considers such things as implementing A making B more cost effective and implementing A changing attitudes such that acceptance of B will become more likely. He says, "If you are faced with the pragmatic question "Does it make sense for me to support A, given that it might lead others to support B?," you should consider all the mechanisms through which A might lead to B, whether they are logical or psychological, judicial or legislative, gradual or sudden ... You should think about the entire range of possible ways that A can change the conditions—whether those conditions are public attitudes, political alignments, costs and benefits, or what have you—under which others will consider B."[24]:1030–1031

Volokh concludes by claiming that the analysis in his article "implicitly rebuts the argument that slippery slope arguments are inherently logically fallacious: the claim that A's will inevitably lead to B's as a matter of logical compulsion might be mistaken, but the more modest claim that A's may make B's more likely seems plausible."[24]:1134 A similar conclusion was reached by Corner et al., who after investigating the psychological mechanism of the slippery slope argument say, "Despite their philosophical notoriety, SSAs are used (and seem to be accepted) in a wide variety of practical contexts. The experimental evidence reported in this paper suggests that in some circumstances, their practical acceptability can be justified, not just because the decision-theoretic framework renders them subjectively rational, but also because it is demonstrated how, objectively, the slippery slopes they claim do in fact exist.
 
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Bacle

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That people are actually thinking interracial marriage is what lead to same-sex marriages, and that it's all part of the same 'slippery slope'...you fools really do want the Left to win, don't you?

Like, everytime I think some of the Far-Right arguments the psuedo-WS/WN bullshit have run out of new ways to make an ass of themselves rhetorically, you clods always find a way to up the ante.
 

JagerIV

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That people are actually thinking interracial marriage is what lead to same-sex marriages, and that it's all part of the same 'slippery slope'...you fools really do want the Left to win, don't you?

Like, everytime I think some of the Far-Right arguments the psuedo-WS/WN bullshit have run out of new ways to make an ass of themselves rhetorically, you clods always find a way to up the ante.

This still doesn't sound like a refutation. Do you oppose interracial and gay marriage? If you support both, why do you care if both are justified on the same logic, which I believe you do on both counts, then why do you care about the right adopting the left wing belief. Or at least discussing it?

This seems very wierd for left leaning people who are pro same sex and interacial marriage, which you keep telling us most people support, which I agree, to recoil at rightists taking left wing arguments seriously.

This seems to be what you fought for. Why is it so horrifying for what you want to be plainly stated?
 

Aldarion

Neoreactionary Monarchist
You know, for those of us who've been aware of and taking part in the culture war for more than the last five years, it's annoying to see things like this that basically include the assumption that 'nobody is even trying.'

Yes, the RINOs are half-useless, and keep trying to make compromises like abused housewives. They are not, have not, and never have been the core or even leading edge of the conservative movement. And actual conservatives have never compromised on any of these issues, even if they've lost on...

...well really, just the one, homosexual 'marriage.' And as per usual with the left, that was something they had to ram through in the courts, because they couldn't win it legislatively.

Every other issue is still being fought tooth and nail, and it's not the conservatives who are advocating surrender on any of them.

Conservatives have lost or are losing on:
- immigration / right to ethnic existence (civic nationalism has replaced ethnic nationalism / ethnic subsidiarity)
- national sovereignity (power of supranational entities had been steadily increasing since 1945)
- sexual issues (first homosexuality was decriminalized, now we are looking at a push to decriminalize pedophilia)
- self-defense issues (regulation of the right to own firearms etc.)
- speech regulation (everything that Right dislikes is legal, everything that Left dislikes is illegal)
- and probably a dozen other things I am forgetting

In large part because they allow the Left to set the terms of the discussion, but also because they allowed the Left to take the institutional power, starting with the educational system and continuing through with the media.
 

LindyAF

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Conservatives have lost or are losing on:
- immigration / right to ethnic existence (civic nationalism has replaced ethnic nationalism / ethnic subsidiarity)
- national sovereignity (power of supranational entities had been steadily increasing since 1945)
- sexual issues (first homosexuality was decriminalized, now we are looking at a push to decriminalize pedophilia)
- self-defense issues (regulation of the right to own firearms etc.)
- speech regulation (everything that Right dislikes is legal, everything that Left dislikes is illegal)
- and probably a dozen other things I am forgetting

In large part because they allow the Left to set the terms of the discussion, but also because they allowed the Left to take the institutional power, starting with the educational system and continuing through with the media.

^I would here though that some of this is a difference between Europe and America.

For instance, IMO in the US we're actually making significant progress on self-defense issues and gun rights. There were plenty of no-issue states a few decades ago and even red states were often may-issue for cc, whereas now only the worst places are may-issue (although their may-issue is effectively no-issue), and many places are constitutional carry.

There aren't speech laws in the US the way there are in Europe, and although there is some of the same chilling effect from the private sector unpersoning you, it's definitely not as bad. There's nobody in jail in the US for hate speech (at least, not explicitly).
 
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Zachowon

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^I would here though that some of this is a difference between Europe and America.

For instance, IMO in the US we're actually making significant progress on self-defense issues and gun rights. There were plenty of no-issue states a few decades ago and even red states were often may-issue for cc, whereas now only the worst places are may-issue (although their may-issue is effectively no-issue), and many places are constitutional carry.

There aren't speech laws in the US the way there are in Europe, and although there is some of the same chilling effect from the private sector unpersoning you, it's definitely not as bad. There's nobody in jail in the US for hate speech.
One has to always put there is a difference between terroristic threats and speech. because people don't seem to understand that
 

ATP

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To be fair, africa has a scary amount of potential, if the inisitutions were fixed corruption lowered it could really become something special.

Indeed.Colonial empires made 2 crimes -
1.they take over and made innovation among tribes with iron weapon at best.
2.They abadonned their colonies with infrastructure,but without local elites capable of keeping it.
Tribal people should either be cyvilised,or not bothered at all.All half-assed measeures must let to bad things.
 

Cherico

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Indeed.Colonial empires made 2 crimes -
1.they take over and made innovation among tribes with iron weapon at best.
2.They abadonned their colonies with infrastructure,but without local elites capable of keeping it.
Tribal people should either be cyvilised,or not bothered at all.All half-assed measeures must let to bad things.

so basically like the romans failure to civilise the german tribes.
 

ATP

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so basically like the romans failure to civilise the german tribes.

Romans,at least,try.European ,with /sometimes/exception of France,simply do not teach more important things to local peoples.
Becouse they were servants and servants they must remain.
As a result,where white people come back to their countries,there was almost no local cadres to replace engineers,beurocrats and officers.
Sergeants and workers could do only so much.

Fact,that they were stil tribesman who do not cared about nations,do not help.And that borders have nothing to do with where X tribe lived.Recipe for war.
In Poland in 966AD we still have tribes,and polish nation started about 1200AD.
Africans simply had no time for that.
 

DarthOne

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That people are actually thinking interracial marriage is what lead to same-sex marriages, and that it's all part of the same 'slippery slope'...you fools really do want the Left to win, don't you?

Like, everytime I think some of the Far-Right arguments the psuedo-WS/WN bullshit have run out of new ways to make an ass of themselves rhetorically, you clods always find a way to up the ante.

“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
-Albert Einstein (allegedly)
 

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