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S'task

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No, it is not legal. In Europe, you need a permit to own a gun. And even in the US, administration is pushing for increased gun control.
The administration can push all they want, they're going against the general tide of state law and court cases. Something to understand about the US, the administration does not necessarily determine the course of the country when it comes to domestic issues, in fact, the Federal government has very limited power on domestic issues at all, the majority of domestic politics in the US is handled at the State level, and thus can be going a completely different direction than Washington wants to be going in.

If it were legal for both sides to talk, there would not be such issues as hate speech laws and similar.
Hate speech laws don't exist in the US, and have been ruled illegal since 1992s and the court cases have continued to broaden that protection since, and that doesn't look like it's going to change anytime soon. This is one of the big reasons why the left has begun pushing corporations to police speech, because they've pretty much definitively lost the legal side of the argument and so are desperately looking for other ways to enforce speech codes.
 

Aldarion

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The administration can push all they want, they're going against the general tide of state law and court cases. Something to understand about the US, the administration does not necessarily determine the course of the country when it comes to domestic issues, in fact, the Federal government has very limited power on domestic issues at all, the majority of domestic politics in the US is handled at the State level, and thus can be going a completely different direction than Washington wants to be going in.

Yeah, that is one thing I like about the US.

Hate speech laws don't exist in the US, and have been ruled illegal since 1992s and the court cases have continued to broaden that protection since, and that doesn't look like it's going to change anytime soon. This is one of the big reasons why the left has begun pushing corporations to police speech, because they've pretty much definitively lost the legal side of the argument and so are desperately looking for other ways to enforce speech codes.

Well, as I said - when I write about things, I mostly write about Europe because that is where I live and what I know.


Članak 174.

(1) Tko na temelju razlike u rasi, vjeri, jeziku, političkom ili drugom uvjerenju, imovini, rođenju, naobrazbi, društvenom položaju ili drugim osobinama, spolu, boji kože, nacionalnosti ili etničkome podrijetlu krši temeljna ljudska prava i slobode priznate od međunarodne zajednice, kaznit će se kaznom zatvora od šest mjeseci do pet godina.
(2) Kaznom iz stavka 1. ovoga članka kaznit će se tko progoni organizacije ili pojedince zbog njihova zalaganja za ravnopravnost ljudi.
(3) Tko u cilju širenja rasne, vjerske, spolne, nacionalne, etničke mržnje ili mržnje po osnovi boje kože ili spolnog opredjeljenja, ili drugih osobina, ili u cilju omalovažavanja, javno iznese ili pronese zamisli o nadmoćnosti ili podčinjenosti jedne rase, etničke ili vjerske zajednice, spola, nacije ili zamisli o nadmoćnosti ili podčinjenosti po osnovi boje kože ili spolnog opredjeljenja, ili drugih osobina, kaznit će se kaznom zatvora od tri mjeseca do tri godine.
(4) Tko s ciljem iz stavka 3. ovoga članka putem računalnog sustava raspačava ili na drugi način učini dostupnim javnosti materijale kojima se poriče, znatnije umanjuje, odobrava ili opravdava kazneno djelo genocida ili zločina protiv čovječnosti,
kaznit će se kaznom zatvora od šest mjeseci do tri godine.


I will not translate everything, but basically, anyone who is successfully accused of the "hate speech" can be punished with a prison sentence of anywhere from three months to five years.
 

LordsFire

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He was a lunatic who nearly drove the country against one another.

He may have been onto something but was horrible about dealing with it.

No, that's the leftist narrative about him made into historical canon. What he actually did, and who he actually was, was far milder than the Hollywood-manufactered nonsense that lives in pop culture.

Were you even aware that he wanted his list of communists in the state department to be subjected to a closed investigation, because he wasn't equating 'member of communist party' with 'soviet agent,' and it was the Democrats who compelled the list of names to be released?
 

Zachowon

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No, that's the leftist narrative about him made into historical canon. What he actually did, and who he actually was, was far milder than the Hollywood-manufactered nonsense that lives in pop culture.

Were you even aware that he wanted his list of communists in the state department to be subjected to a closed investigation, because he wasn't equating 'member of communist party' with 'soviet agent,' and it was the Democrats who compelled the list of names to be released?
I just remeber Ike told him off at one point.
 

Abhorsen

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So first, there's a huge difference between the European right and the American right, and they aren't equivalent. The European right either barely exists, or is radically different from the US right, as it doesn't have the same basis in constitutionalism. So they might be both pulling against leftism, but they aren't puling in the same direction. So I'm talking about America here, which was the context of the post you replied to given it mentioned RINOs and other American stuff.

As for Europe, the EU-sphere is fucked, and has been forever, it's nothing new. The UK was heavily socialized and has admittedly been getting better (solely on the basis of how bad they were), the former SSRs are better cause they know to hate communism, but others are just handout countries, and it's not that the right is losing there or just lost, they lost a long while ago.

So addressing this context in relation to America
No, it is not legal. In Europe, you need a permit to own a gun. And even in the US, administration is pushing for increased gun control.
Yeah, and they've pushed before also. But did you expect this to be easy? Shit, LGBT rights took 45-50 years to win from their big moment, and this just started in the 90's. It won't be quick, but it'll happen slowly if we keep working, and don't give into stupid ass blackpilling and surrender.

As for Europe, fuck asking for permission, the FGC-9 and future 3d guns are the solution there.

Civic nationalism is an inherently leftist value, because it is based on the idea of equality: everybody can be a member of a country as long as he swears to the flag.
That is a founding principle of America, that the right buys into and the left doesn't. Yes, civic nationalism is what you want to build a country around, as it is robust versus a variety of problems that hit it.
 

JagerIV

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Wait, is that actually a normal, widespread thing rather than something done by only a few crazy people?

This is the first time you became aware the US school system is terrible? As everyone has said, this was were it was 30 years ago. Its worse now.

... The list of things you are wrong here is pretty long.

Self defense issues the right is winning. As for speech, no, it's legal for both sides to talk, despite attempts to limit from both sides.

As for civic nationalism, that is a right wing value in the US, unlike the stupidity that is European right wing.

Self defense and speech are both losing. This is the sillyness of looking at words on paper rather than what's happening on the streets. How many people have we seen crucified for self defense?

And you are even wronger here. McCarthy was a drunk liar who started with stolen Valor, then continued by being the most useful idiot to the USSR ever. He had no idea who was or wasn't a communist, he just knew there were a bunch in the State Department, like everyone else did. The trouble was knowing who was who.

He dealt a huge blow to anticommunism and is absolute scum.

Tell us again how your not a handmaiden of socialism while explaining how its absolutely unthinkable to do anything about communists.

He underestimated the communist strength, and got beaten down by the communists. Its hilarious that a man who did 1/10th to them what they regularly do to right wingers is still some great evil.
 

Abhorsen

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Self defense and speech are both losing. This is the sillyness of looking at words on paper rather than what's happening on the streets. How many people have we seen crucified for self defense?
In the US? No. Speech is under attack (again, it almost always is though), but it's protection from government holds strong. Yes, there is some weakness versus companies, but that is being countered constantly by decentralization and competition. Those companies started squeezing, and other companies are appearing to challenge them. Yes, it will take time, and yes, some laws like common carriers could help, but it's a challenge, not a losing situation. Honestly, republicans have the momentum if they don't keep tripping themselves up (see the Florida bill that's going to fail because they put in exceptions for Disney). They'll win.

As for Self defense, that's winning. Seriously, more and more states now have stand your ground laws, gun rights as an issue is on the rise, we have millions of new gun buyers, a good supreme court (that's a little shy because of threats vs the supreme court, but Barrett was good on guns, IIRC, and that will go away with time).

As for crucifying people for self defense, that's quite simply part of the battle. Nobody said this would be easy or quick. Going by the speed of
Tell us again how your not a handmaiden of socialism while explaining how its absolutely unthinkable to do anything about communists.

He underestimated the communist strength, and got beaten down by the communists. Its hilarious that a man who did 1/10th to them what they regularly do to right wingers is still some great evil.
He understood nothing, lashed out blindly to get elected, and more helpful to the USSR that Ames. I hate McCarthy because he helped the USSR, not to defend communists. He did nothing to stop communism, he gave them the greatest shield they could ever ask for, and is arguably part of the reason communism was allowed to fester in colleges for so long. He found commies because a blind man would have found them, but he didn't care who he was targeting, just taking advantage of a wounded nation for his own benefit (reelection) instead of trying to work on the problem.

For more on McCarthy being a lying sack of shit:
The list didn't exist. He basically got caught bragging one time to a Republican Women's Club that he had a list. He knew, like most, that communists existed in the State Department, but he had no idea who, like most people not investigating the matter. So as part of his diatribe to constituents, he goes off scripts slightly and claims he has a list of X number of known Communists in the State department, brandishing a piece of paper.

But this ended up basically going viral, that McCarthy had a list, and people believed him. He wasn't planning on doing anything with this list, this wasn't some great crusade, instead it was like The Big Lie. Once he started lying, he felt the only way out was through, so he tried to find communists, quickly grabbing the Lee report as a starting point, then exaggerating the facts in that.

Why do we know he was a fake? First, the number of people on it kept changing. Second, he was a known liar, having lied and exaggerated about his war exploits. Third, he was shocked that the media picked up on this, and basically acted unprepared at the beginning, while he was scrambling to come up with a believable story, which he compounded with more lies (i.e. the origin of the list wasn't from a state department official, but a 3 year old report by Robert E. Lee, an FBI agent.

But the Lee list wasn't even full of communists! Sure, there were security vulnerabilities in it, and I'm in no way shaming Lee for what he did, as extramarital affairs and drunkeness are definite security vulnerabilities that can be exploited, but they also aren't card carrying communists.

So yeah, I despise McCarthy, his idiocy led to anticommunism being a joke for years.
 

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