Terthna
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To be fair, we're not that much better off in terms of our government. Both countries are run essentially like oligarchies; we just have a stronger Constitution our rulers need to put more effort into circumventing.
'Climate Change' and the coming 'Climate Lockdown'
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Eh, at the end of the day, we have the Constitution and SCOTUS; the Brits have the Magna Carta, but that's even more abused and ignored by the British gov than the Constitution is in the US.
We may not be a perfect nation, but the amount of things Brit's can legitly clown on us for is vanishingly small now, with the way their own nation is going and what they've allowed to happen.
Hot Fuzz was lowballing how broken, twisted, and corrupt UK society is on multiple levels.
Unfortunately, you are correct. Clown World isn't just an American exclusive, now.
It never was exclusive to us in fact a lot of the ideas that led up to it came out of France and GermanyUnfortunately, you are correct. Clown World isn't just an American exclusive, now.
Blasterbot
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we can blame the French or the Germans. either way it originated on the continent. it did however metastasize in American universities.Unfortunately, you are correct. Clown World isn't just an American exclusive, now.
Up until recently, most of the batshit insanity was concentrated in the US -- likely it mostly took root there due to the deep divides in your society that are different to those in other countries (like different soils). It's since spread out, regardless of said insanity's origin.
TheRomanSlayer
Kayabangan, Dugo, at Dangal
Canada isn’t far behind in the clown show, and in fact we might be worse than the US in this regard. Moreover, we’re still practically a Commonwealth nation that bends the knee to Charles III.
Nothing wrong with being in the Commonwealth; however, having a de facto dictator as your leader is the major problem.
When they run out of other people's money that's when things will get ugly
Bear Ribs
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They're coming for air conditioners next.
www.foxnews.com
Biden admin cracks down on air conditioners as war on appliances continues
The Department of Energy revealed new actions targeting consumer air conditioners in an effort to reduce pollution, curb climate change and save consumers money.
www.foxnews.com
Given that Canada's two most prosperous provinces are grumbling about leaving the country, there's a very real possibility this would happen.
People use the "live in a pod, eat the bugs" meme a lot, but when you have a government that views you as nothing but drones that can have your luxuries and necessities remotely cut off or "sanctioned"?They're coming for air conditioners next.
Biden admin cracks down on air conditioners as war on appliances continues
The Department of Energy revealed new actions targeting consumer air conditioners in an effort to reduce pollution, curb climate change and save consumers money.
mrttao
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> poor people should know their place. as slaves and serfs.
neo feudalism. simple as
The theory that increasingly seems to fit the facts, is that the motivation for all these policies is simply malignant narcissism. Their goal is not to "save the environment" or whatnot, it is simply to make people unhappy. To destroy happiness. To make life as miserable for everyone else as possible. Because deep inside, these people are themselves utterly miserable, and it causes them pain to see or think of other people being happy.
Bigking321
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I'm sure that's part of it, but I think it's more about power and control.
Do what we say and it will save the planet.
The science doesn’t really support that?
Yes it does. You are a enemy of the planet. For your heresy your funding will be pulled and you will be ignored.
How does (insane policy) help? It makes everything worse!
We say it does. Comply or you will be ruined. We set the standards.
All of your predictions have been wrong.
Science changes all the time. Shut up. Our conclusions are perfect. We will find the science that matches them.
Do what we say and it will save the planet.
The science doesn’t really support that?
Yes it does. You are a enemy of the planet. For your heresy your funding will be pulled and you will be ignored.
How does (insane policy) help? It makes everything worse!
We say it does. Comply or you will be ruined. We set the standards.
All of your predictions have been wrong.
Science changes all the time. Shut up. Our conclusions are perfect. We will find the science that matches them.
This sort of thing has happened before.
There are several ways it can end.
1. They are kicked out of power peacefully because everyone gets tired of their shit.
2. The worst offenders get removed in a coup.
3. The leading forces of the establishment use them as a scapegoat and turn them over to the mob to save themselves.
4. The entire establishment is brutally murdered by a mob of angry people who no longer care about the conquences and just want the suffering to end.
Everything w/regards to "Climate Change" boils down to one component: control. And I'm even benevolent enough to assume that for the overwhelming number of the rank and file of the green movement (which at least in Europe, and especially in Germany, includes much of the media) it really is about the worry about "Climate Change", since it's become so ingrained into the discourse that it's no longer about truth, but about a pseudo-religious dogma. Still, that being said, behind it all stands the desire to control and micromanage people's lives to a degree that would've made the East German STASI blush.
Point in fact, EVs. Now the German Greens and their supporters overwhelmingly come from upper middle class backgrounds (or even higher economic strata), and they are urban beasts. Simply put, half of them wouldn't need EVs even if it was the only private vehicles available -- and the other half would have absolutely no problem in affording better EVs should they need them. No, see, they live either in their central urban biotopes where they can get everywhere with ubiquitous public transportation (which is their preferred medicine for the ailments of transportation in 99% of cases anyway), with apartments heated by disctrict heating plants, and where they are actually happy to live in their pre-established 15-Minute-City models; or they live in suburbia, in low-energy houses just shy off a million Euros, with wall boxes and heat pumps and solar panels on their tiny slanted roofs, with one obligatory child and a nice Tesla bought from jobs at NGOs, fancy start ups, or in the public sector.
Both groups feel enlightened and better than all those other rubes, and while they would be the last to admit that every inch of their lives is controlled by the state -- the state can shut down public transportation, it can ration your electricity with smart meters, it can limit your mobility by rationing said electricty (and because EVs have lousy range despite what's written on the box), by rationing loading infrastructure; it can even ration your heating at all times (since heat pumps rely on electricty, and disstrict heating is, well, centralized as the name suggests).
Now for those that cannot afford halfway decent EVs, it's extremely low-range crap -- and public transportation. Both means serve to limit personal public mobility, and in the case of the latter it's also a neat way to channel and control who goes where and when (social credit scores anyone?). Yet all the arguments that the Greens and their disciples bring in favour of more public transportation always fall flat in the face of the reality of decentralized living and working. There's no feasible way to get all the people from a hundred villages to their work places in the central city with public transportation alone. It takes too much time, and no matter what you do it'll still be too unflexible (and too expensive, since someone *cough* us taxpayers *cough* will have to pay for that whole insane network). Take me and my wife as an example for ordinary commuters. We drive together most the time, and it takes us about 25 minutes to get to our work places. Even under the most flexible public transportation reasonably to be created, that time will balloon to around 90 minutes. One way. So, if it's not reasonably feasible, and they still want to push it through, what's the reason for it? Control.
Now, in come the 15 minute cities. Live and work at one place - or at least in such a way that it can easily be controlled and guided via a limited number of central nodes.
This is also one obvious reason why the Green ministry of economy (an irony in and by itself) has brought forward plans to abolish and prohibited new natural gas- and oil-based heating system for houses in favour of heat pumps. Of course, of course, it's because of climate change, I forgot. But is it? Which are the majority of heating systems in Germany for private housing. As early as 2024, or so the plans go. This comes hot on the heels of an EU decision to demand higher climate protection standards for (private) housing by 2033 (?) that would mean tens of millions of private homes would need to be insulated (walls, but also roofs), and need new heating systems -- including houses were insulation would destroy the buildings' substance (like half-timbered houses where putting insulation onto the walls would cause mold in one hundred percent of cases, destroying the house and making it unlivable).
Just to give you an idea about the costs: a heat pump based heating system for a private home runs at around 40.000€. Full insulation of the outer walls, depending on the covered area? Probably another 40.000€+. Most older roofs would not be possible to insulate without getting completely redone. Another 40.000€, if you're lucky. Now, the heat pump system won't run with your old radiators, meaning you'll need new ones, and new pipes installed all across your house. Another 10-20.000€. So, and if you don't want your nice new heating system to be rationed via smart meter all the time since the German grid doesn't provide enough electricity for all, you'll need solar panels and a nice battery. Another 40.000€. If you're lucky (sarc) you'll have to shell out ~150.000€ for a Green pipe dream.
That, or you can get district heating. In the countryside (not kidding, Anton Hofreiter from the Greens claimed so on TV). Because to the Greens anything is better than an independent household deciding how to heat and how to travel.
Now, these plans are synonymous with vast swaths of the population being quitely and indirectly disowned by any other name, since nobody can afford these types of costs just willy-nilly. It's even more asinine if you grasp that most of the houses this applies to are post-war houses, ie. the kind of houses built and now owned by the post war generation: by pensioners. They - and the vast majority of households with them - won't be able to fully bear that kind of burden. Not now, and certainly not in ten years time.
What is the end state of that development? Far too many people will be forced to sell their houses often way beneath value because they don't conform to new norms (hello Blackrock) and will be forced to live in apartment blocks as renters. Climate neutral, and centralized, within the caring touch of the Green Big Brother.
Yes, Klaus Schwab, the people will have nothing eventually: no private homes, no private transportation. But they won't be happy about it.
Point in fact, EVs. Now the German Greens and their supporters overwhelmingly come from upper middle class backgrounds (or even higher economic strata), and they are urban beasts. Simply put, half of them wouldn't need EVs even if it was the only private vehicles available -- and the other half would have absolutely no problem in affording better EVs should they need them. No, see, they live either in their central urban biotopes where they can get everywhere with ubiquitous public transportation (which is their preferred medicine for the ailments of transportation in 99% of cases anyway), with apartments heated by disctrict heating plants, and where they are actually happy to live in their pre-established 15-Minute-City models; or they live in suburbia, in low-energy houses just shy off a million Euros, with wall boxes and heat pumps and solar panels on their tiny slanted roofs, with one obligatory child and a nice Tesla bought from jobs at NGOs, fancy start ups, or in the public sector.
Both groups feel enlightened and better than all those other rubes, and while they would be the last to admit that every inch of their lives is controlled by the state -- the state can shut down public transportation, it can ration your electricity with smart meters, it can limit your mobility by rationing said electricty (and because EVs have lousy range despite what's written on the box), by rationing loading infrastructure; it can even ration your heating at all times (since heat pumps rely on electricty, and disstrict heating is, well, centralized as the name suggests).
Now for those that cannot afford halfway decent EVs, it's extremely low-range crap -- and public transportation. Both means serve to limit personal public mobility, and in the case of the latter it's also a neat way to channel and control who goes where and when (social credit scores anyone?). Yet all the arguments that the Greens and their disciples bring in favour of more public transportation always fall flat in the face of the reality of decentralized living and working. There's no feasible way to get all the people from a hundred villages to their work places in the central city with public transportation alone. It takes too much time, and no matter what you do it'll still be too unflexible (and too expensive, since someone *cough* us taxpayers *cough* will have to pay for that whole insane network). Take me and my wife as an example for ordinary commuters. We drive together most the time, and it takes us about 25 minutes to get to our work places. Even under the most flexible public transportation reasonably to be created, that time will balloon to around 90 minutes. One way. So, if it's not reasonably feasible, and they still want to push it through, what's the reason for it? Control.
Now, in come the 15 minute cities. Live and work at one place - or at least in such a way that it can easily be controlled and guided via a limited number of central nodes.
This is also one obvious reason why the Green ministry of economy (an irony in and by itself) has brought forward plans to abolish and prohibited new natural gas- and oil-based heating system for houses in favour of heat pumps. Of course, of course, it's because of climate change, I forgot. But is it? Which are the majority of heating systems in Germany for private housing. As early as 2024, or so the plans go. This comes hot on the heels of an EU decision to demand higher climate protection standards for (private) housing by 2033 (?) that would mean tens of millions of private homes would need to be insulated (walls, but also roofs), and need new heating systems -- including houses were insulation would destroy the buildings' substance (like half-timbered houses where putting insulation onto the walls would cause mold in one hundred percent of cases, destroying the house and making it unlivable).
Just to give you an idea about the costs: a heat pump based heating system for a private home runs at around 40.000€. Full insulation of the outer walls, depending on the covered area? Probably another 40.000€+. Most older roofs would not be possible to insulate without getting completely redone. Another 40.000€, if you're lucky. Now, the heat pump system won't run with your old radiators, meaning you'll need new ones, and new pipes installed all across your house. Another 10-20.000€. So, and if you don't want your nice new heating system to be rationed via smart meter all the time since the German grid doesn't provide enough electricity for all, you'll need solar panels and a nice battery. Another 40.000€. If you're lucky (sarc) you'll have to shell out ~150.000€ for a Green pipe dream.
That, or you can get district heating. In the countryside (not kidding, Anton Hofreiter from the Greens claimed so on TV). Because to the Greens anything is better than an independent household deciding how to heat and how to travel.
Now, these plans are synonymous with vast swaths of the population being quitely and indirectly disowned by any other name, since nobody can afford these types of costs just willy-nilly. It's even more asinine if you grasp that most of the houses this applies to are post-war houses, ie. the kind of houses built and now owned by the post war generation: by pensioners. They - and the vast majority of households with them - won't be able to fully bear that kind of burden. Not now, and certainly not in ten years time.
What is the end state of that development? Far too many people will be forced to sell their houses often way beneath value because they don't conform to new norms (hello Blackrock) and will be forced to live in apartment blocks as renters. Climate neutral, and centralized, within the caring touch of the Green Big Brother.
Yes, Klaus Schwab, the people will have nothing eventually: no private homes, no private transportation. But they won't be happy about it.
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As i see it, the climate change obsession is just simply the main and most successful tool of the green\environmentalist ideological movement, to which some non-green politicians kow-tow due to its success, and opportunity to be a bridge between the budget and companies with "green" technologies that would have little to no commercial feasibility without the climate change background and above mentioned bridging to government budgets.
The populist back lash has already started and I expect all of this to end in horrific bloodshed.