United States Biden administration policies and actions - megathread

Rocinante

Russian Bot
Founder
Anyone that questions anything any part of the federal bureaucracy is doing are terrorists now.

Don’t like your taxes and want to complain about them? You’re probably a terrorist.

Want the border under control and complained about federal inaction? You’re definitely a racist terrorist.

Don’t like abortion, don’t want federal or state funds supporting it, and support the pro-life movement. Misogynistic…and likely a terrorist.
They used J6 to paint the right as terrorists and have been amping it up since.

They've turned the intelligence community inwards, and now we are the enemies. They're being used for blatantly political purposes.

The FBI needs to be disbanded.

It won't happen though. nothing will happen. Not until more right wingers put down the cheeseburgers, shut off the Netflix and stand the fuck up, at least.
 

ATP

Well-known member
Anyone that questions anything any part of the federal bureaucracy is doing are terrorists now.

Don’t like your taxes and want to complain about them? You’re probably a terrorist.

Want the border under control and complained about federal inaction? You’re definitely a racist terrorist.

Don’t like abortion, don’t want federal or state funds supporting it, and support the pro-life movement. Misogynistic…and likely a terrorist.

Now lick the boot, get the jab, and suck the feminine penis, you cis-gendered, transphobic, heteronormative, homophobic, racist, ableist, misogynistic, patriarchal terrorist!/s

EXACTLY !!!!
Just like in old soviets,but there you was enemy of people or fascist or antisemite.
It sad day when USA are becoming second soviet union.Only hope - it must fall becouse of economic,just like old soviets.And since USA supported soviets economically,and nobody would support USA,it fall much faster.

Only question - how many massgraves and Aral seas they create in USA till then.
 

Rocinante

Russian Bot
Founder

Plz come back to work.
In the 70s, production took off while wages began to stagnate, and that has been going on ever since. They used to be closely tied, but in the 70s the correlation between the two broke. Production continued to rise, and compensation stagnated. This really isn't sustainable. This was bound to happen eventually. Covid was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

There's a real fucking simple solution to this. And companies that stay afloat will have to come to it eventually: take some of that executive salary and dole it out to the workers. You want workers in a society that has a worker shortage? Simple supply and demand divtates that because supply is low, and demand is high, they're going to need to pay more. I see local small, family owned pizza and taco places around here offering $20 an hour. If they can do it, the mega corps can.

Yeah this might lead to some price inflation, but that can only go so far before someone jumps in to sell products for cheaper to out compete them.

This might work out long term. Companies across the board will need to raise wages, with no need for the government to raise minimum wage.
 

TriforcedLink

Well-known member
They know that's the obvious solution, but it hurts them down to their very soul to even think that they need to even lower themselves to raising up the plebs pay, much less at the expense of the modern nobility. The only thing the plebs deserve is spend every once of their lifespan working for their betters and be grateful for what scraps they can get.
 

Rocinante

Russian Bot
Founder
They know that's the obvious solution, but it hurts them down to their very soul to even think that they need to even lower themselves to raising up the plebs pay, much less at the expense of the modern nobility. The only thing the plebs deserve is spend every once of their lifespan working for their betters and be grateful for what scraps they can get.
And now you know why Democrats support open borders, and the corps support Democrats even though the Republicans have had a more pro business image.

They'd rather import illegals to exploit, than to pay us more.
 

LordsFire

Internet Wizard
In the 70s, production took off while wages began to stagnate, and that has been going on ever since. They used to be closely tied, but in the 70s the correlation between the two broke. Production continued to rise, and compensation stagnated. This really isn't sustainable. This was bound to happen eventually. Covid was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

There's a real fucking simple solution to this. And companies that stay afloat will have to come to it eventually: take some of that executive salary and dole it out to the workers. You want workers in a society that has a worker shortage? Simple supply and demand divtates that because supply is low, and demand is high, they're going to need to pay more. I see local small, family owned pizza and taco places around here offering $20 an hour. If they can do it, the mega corps can.

Yeah this might lead to some price inflation, but that can only go so far before someone jumps in to sell products for cheaper to out compete them.

This might work out long term. Companies across the board will need to raise wages, with no need for the government to raise minimum wage.

This is ignoring three factors.

1. A big part of the divorce between production and wages, is women starting to work the same kinds of hours as men. To this day men work for more of their lives and longer hours on average as well, compared to women, but when you increase the effective available number of work hours by ~50%, that has a serious effect on wages for pay.

2. Increasing welfare, regulatory burden, and government interference in general both eating up a company's budget, making less available for wages and profits, as well as making it harder for new companies to both enter markets and grow.

3. Regarding CEO salaries, while I'll agree that megacorp CEOs are often overpaid, which is at least in part a symptom of elite in-group/ivy league shenanigans, it really would not make that much of a difference if you drastically deflated their salaries. Let's take the salary of the CEO of General Electric, $73,192,032, and divide that up among their 205,000 employees. That'd get each employee another 357 dollars a year. Those employees on average make 96,759 dollars a year.

That's a nice number, a moderate bonus, you could say, but it makes it fairly clear that lower CEO pay is not going to result in drastically higher salaries for employees in general.

Now, I'm not doing this to try to say 'oh, there's nothing wrong here,' it's just annoying seeing the leftist canard that 'greedy CEO salaries are why poor people are poor' get repeated.

(As a note, this does not necessarily apply to companies that deal primarily in software. Due to how easily software can be replicated and sent to end users, pay disparities in that industry can have a more perceptible impact. I did some similar math for Activision-Blizzard, where the CEO earns more like 180 million a year, there's just 9500 employees, and average employee salary is more like 78k. There, divvying up the CEO salary would give ~16k a year to each employee, which is more than a 20% pay hike.)
 

Rocinante

Russian Bot
Founder
This is ignoring three factors.

1. A big part of the divorce between production and wages, is women starting to work the same kinds of hours as men. To this day men work for more of their lives and longer hours on average as well, compared to women, but when you increase the effective available number of work hours by ~50%, that has a serious effect on wages for pay.

2. Increasing welfare, regulatory burden, and government interference in general both eating up a company's budget, making less available for wages and profits, as well as making it harder for new companies to both enter markets and grow.

3. Regarding CEO salaries, while I'll agree that megacorp CEOs are often overpaid, which is at least in part a symptom of elite in-group/ivy league shenanigans, it really would not make that much of a difference if you drastically deflated their salaries. Let's take the salary of the CEO of General Electric, $73,192,032, and divide that up among their 205,000 employees. That'd get each employee another 357 dollars a year. Those employees on average make 96,759 dollars a year.

That's a nice number, a moderate bonus, you could say, but it makes it fairly clear that lower CEO pay is not going to result in drastically higher salaries for employees in general.

Now, I'm not doing this to try to say 'oh, there's nothing wrong here,' it's just annoying seeing the leftist canard that 'greedy CEO salaries are why poor people are poor' get repeated.

(As a note, this does not necessarily apply to companies that deal primarily in software. Due to how easily software can be replicated and sent to end users, pay disparities in that industry can have a more perceptible impact. I did some similar math for Activision-Blizzard, where the CEO earns more like 180 million a year, there's just 9500 employees, and average employee salary is more like 78k. There, divvying up the CEO salary would give ~16k a year to each employee, which is more than a 20% pay hike.)
As for point 3, Iwas being a little lazy with my rhetoric.

But, I said executives, which includes more than just CEO pay, and I was also thinking about overall profits, though I neglected to mention that.

Essentially some of the higers ups will need to take a pay cut and they'll need to distribute some of their company's profits to pay employees.

Your first two points are very good points, but now that we are in a labor shortage even with women working, we need to start seeing the wages rise. That's just supply and demand. You add all the women workers and double the labor force, supply is higher than demand, and the wages go down or stagnate, which is exactly what happened. We are now in a shortage despite all them working. It's time to see those wages rise, if companies want to attract workers.
 

LordsFire

Internet Wizard
As for point 3, Iwas being a little lazy with my rhetoric.

But, I said executives, which includes more than just CEO pay, and I was also thinking about overall profits, though I neglected to mention that.

Essentially some of the higers ups will need to take a pay cut and they'll need to distribute some of their company's profits to pay employees.

Your first two points are very good points, but now that we are in a labor shortage even with women working, we need to start seeing the wages rise. That's just supply and demand. You add all the women workers and double the labor force, supply is higher than demand, and the wages go down or stagnate, which is exactly what happened. We are now in a shortage despite all them working. It's time to see those wages rise, if companies want to attract workers.

Last I checked, we aren't in a labor shortage, we've been having a welfare surplus. Too many 'stimulus checks.'

That said, wages have been increasing; five years ago 8 or 9 an hour was the best starting you could expect starting at a fast food, cashier, or stocker type of job in most states. Now that's running to 12 or 13 bucks most places I've seen.
 

Zachowon

The Army Life for me! The POG life for me!
Founder
Last I checked, we aren't in a labor shortage, we've been having a welfare surplus. Too many 'stimulus checks.'

That said, wages have been increasing; five years ago 8 or 9 an hour was the best starting you could expect starting at a fast food, cashier, or stocker type of job in most states. Now that's running to 12 or 13 bucks most places I've seen.
11 was what they were giving walmart employees when I worked there back in 2018, and that was them raising it from 9/10
 

Bacle

When the effort is no longer profitable...
Founder
Last I checked, we aren't in a labor shortage, we've been having a welfare surplus. Too many 'stimulus checks.'

That said, wages have been increasing; five years ago 8 or 9 an hour was the best starting you could expect starting at a fast food, cashier, or stocker type of job in most states. Now that's running to 12 or 13 bucks most places I've seen.
Stimulus checks were something that only went out twice, and the unemployment benefits are not the only thing happening.

Remember, vax mandates at work places are part of the reason for the shortage, and also people are trying to find ways to work from home or work for themselves as independent contractors, instead of rejoining the traditional work force.
 

Bigking321

Well-known member
Part of the problem was that big unemployment bonus they had for over a year. We should've dropped it ages ago and I'd argue we never should have done it to begin with.

It has royally screwed small businesses by forcing them to compete, not with other companies but with the government.

They couldn't force through a minimum wage increase so they increased unemployment so they could make more not working a job than at a job and artificially jack up wages that way.

I live in a rural area and it has really caused problems here. Wages were pushed 4 or 5 dollars higher than they were before and it's still hard to hire people because it's only a few dollars more than they can make not working at all. That's a huge shock for businesses to absorb in like a year. A 30 to 40% increase in wage costs.

The local economy has been completely distorted. The wages no longer fit the area and the workforce has been intentionally sabotaged.

Every single place around here has help wanted signs. Places are closing early because of labor shortages. And we have really high unemployment.

We aren't a big market here. Lots of places can't handle the 15-16 dollars a hour to even get slight interest from workers.

The economy has been deliberately screwed up. It's not that evil selfish businesses just need to stop being greedy and increase pay.
 

Zachowon

The Army Life for me! The POG life for me!
Founder
Stimulus checks were something that only went out twice, and the unemployment benefits are not the only thing happening.

Remember, vax mandates at work places are part of the reason for the shortage, and also people are trying to find ways to work from home or work for themselves as independent contractors, instead of rejoining the traditional work force.
Unemployment benefits are still rolling, and yes people are trying to work for home....and that is not gong to work. Beacuse there are only so many jobs. The reason we have the issue we have is because people think they aren't needed. Those more on the right are more then willing to rejoin the workforce, and most places I have friends and family working, aren't forcing a vax mandate because they can risk the lower numbers.

Every state is different in this regard
 

Bacle

When the effort is no longer profitable...
Founder
Unemployment benefits are still rolling, and yes people are trying to work for home....and that is not gong to work. Beacuse there are only so many jobs. The reason we have the issue we have is because people think they aren't needed. Those more on the right are more then willing to rejoin the workforce, and most places I have friends and family working, aren't forcing a vax mandate because they can risk the lower numbers.

Every state is different in this regard
Sure working from home can work, if you start your own business, and the number of online jobs is increasing, not diminishing.

If brick-store employers want to get employees back en masse, they are going to have to both ignore the vax mandates and raise wages instead of trying to get by with the bare minimum staff.
 

Zachowon

The Army Life for me! The POG life for me!
Founder
Sure working from home can work, if you start your own business, and the number of online jobs is increasing, not diminishing.

If brick-store employers want to get employees back en masse, they are going to have to both ignore the vax mandates and raise wages instead of trying to get by with the bare minimum staff.
So....companies that were already struggling with staff and pay as much as they can and still keep the business open should hurt themselves to pay people more? Sounds very...pro big buisness.

THe more online jobs increase, the less people will leave their houses. Themore we become like Wall-E humanity

Why do you all seem to think rasing the wage a company gives is going to be the end all? What if a company cant raise it? THey should go under?
 

Cherico

Well-known member
So....companies that were already struggling with staff and pay as much as they can and still keep the business open should hurt themselves to pay people more? Sounds very...pro big buisness.

THe more online jobs increase, the less people will leave their houses. Themore we become like Wall-E humanity

Why do you all seem to think rasing the wage a company gives is going to be the end all? What if a company cant raise it? THey should go under?

we are in for some serious economic pain in the near future a lot of business's will not survive, a lot of jobs will be automated away, and a lot of cities will lose people and jobs. The shut down for example has more or less kicked NYCs ass and its leaders are just delusional about the scale of the damage.

This is the calm before the storm, personally I think the crash happens next year thats when we run out of tools to let us think things are fine. Thats when the global credit crunch comes and the boomer retirements means globally people are running out of peasants.

People are a resource and the western worlds leadership is too used to thinking of them as a burdern to really shift gears on that.
 

Zachowon

The Army Life for me! The POG life for me!
Founder
we are in for some serious economic pain in the near future a lot of business's will not survive, a lot of jobs will be automated away, and a lot of cities will lose people and jobs. The shut down for example has more or less kicked NYCs ass and its leaders are just delusional about the scale of the damage.

This is the calm before the storm, personally I think the crash happens next year thats when we run out of tools to let us think things are fine. Thats when the global credit crunch comes and the boomer retirements means globally people are running out of peasants.

People are a resource and the western worlds leadership is too used to thinking of them as a burdern to really shift gears on that.
Plenty of companies just want oeople to come back to work.
They are willing to do what it takes to get thier employees back.
Especially small businesses. They can only do so much though. You think the mom and pop shop is going ti be able to pay thier works 15 an hour?
 

Rocinante

Russian Bot
Founder
So....companies that were already struggling with staff and pay as much as they can and still keep the business open should hurt themselves to pay people more? Sounds very...pro big buisness.

THe more online jobs increase, the less people will leave their houses. Themore we become like Wall-E humanity

Why do you all seem to think rasing the wage a company gives is going to be the end all? What if a company cant raise it? THey should go under?
What else are they going to do if they need to attract workers? What do you propose?

Supply and demand is a thing. If supply is low and demand is high, they will need to pay more.

What's your solution form companies to attract employees in a competitive market?
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Top