ISOT Back to the Past, aka Poland Saves the World from World War II.

Polenaktion

Batrix2070

RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
July 17, 1939
Third Republic of Poland
Warsaw
Presidential Palace


The days went by, but it didn't mean they were peaceful. In fact, there were frequent events that caught the attention of the Polish public. It was not surprising, as the times were extremely tense and the demands on the ruling government were increasing, so every scandal caused by incompetence had a stronger impact than usual.

The rulers were well aware of these demands; there was no need to remind them. After all, Poland was constantly under the threat of two lurking dangers, waiting for it to falter. It was difficult to sleep peacefully in such a situation.

That was the case in this particular situation, which touched on old wounds. Germany had decided to carry out the long-delayed Polenaktion. Over 70,000 Polish Jews living in Germany were expelled to the Polish border, forcing Poland to accept them.

Of course, the action was not as heartless as in the original timeline (OTL); there was already concern about the Polish reaction to the forced emigration. Therefore, the Jews were allowed to take their belongings, not wanting to further antagonize their hostile neighbor.

Especially since Poland eventually signed a treaty with Germany regulating their relations, a painful treaty that limited armaments and claims. Although the ultimatum was not fully accepted, Germany obtained an appropriate mediator who was able to loosen Poland's demands regarding the most crucial issues.

As a result, Polish citizens from the time of the Second Polish Republic were recognized as citizens of the Third Polish Republic and were under its protection. One of the things that changed as a result of this transition was the attitude towards Polish citizens abroad. Due to obvious reasons, Poland as a major power had to personally defend its citizens and not leave them at the mercy of fate.

Therefore, Germany was afraid to mistreat any Polish people in Germany, broadly understood as Poles. However, they didn't want the Jews in their own country, while Poland offered to accept anyone that Germany didn't want, so they expelled the Polish Jews first.

This was problematic because the action resembled Lukashenko's move in 2021. Just like back then, the Polish state was caught off guard. Nevertheless, the authorities reacted automatically, suspending the forced emigration to Poland.

Very quickly, the new German ambassador to Poland, Hans Thomsen, was summoned to the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs to explain himself. He was terrified by the fury directed at him, which he had never seen before in his life, and he struggled to stammer that the Poles had promised to take everyone.

To which he received a response that they would take them, provided they were warned in advance to prepare. Not overnight. Nevertheless, a quick response was necessary. President Duda took it upon himself to resolve the matter.

Considering the fact that Jews were involved, the Rabbinate of the Republic of Poland, representing both the old and new Poland, gathered in the Presidential Palace.

The Chief Rabbi of Poland, Michael Schudrich, presided over the Rabbinate. He was a man with a rather liberal approach, which posed a problem for many rabbis from the territory of the Second Polish Republic.

They mockingly called him "Hamerykaner," referring to the fact that he was born and raised in America.

Nevertheless, in this matter, they could rely on him because he showed without hesitation that he wanted to accept those Jews. At the expense of the Jewish communities, of course.

"...therefore, I assure Mr. President that there won't be major problems in their reception," Schudrich informed.

The president nodded. "So, the costs of absorption, adaptation to contemporary society, and so on, will be covered by the Jewish side?"

"Yes," agreed Schudrich.

"So, one problem solved. We just need to find a place to accommodate them," President Duda replied, reassured.

"Don't you have a problem with accepting these Jews?" Rabbi Dawid Kahane from Lwów expressed surprise.

"Why would we? According to the German side, there are about 70,000 Jews, and currently there are 42 million Poles. It's nothing," Duda replied, astonished by the question.

"Of course, because it will end with those 70,000. They won't try to cram in the rest," Rabbi Dawid Szychowski from Łódź sarcastically remarked.

"Then we'll accept the rest. After all, we already accept Jewish immigrants from all over Europe," Duda said.

"Including the other immigrants, did you forget about that?" Kahane replied, well aware of the scale of immigration to Poland.

"He didn't forget; he just doesn't really care. He doesn't know how much Western Jews look down on us because we're from the East," said Izaak Rubisztejn, the rabbi from Wilno.

"They also look down on Poles, did you forget?" Szychowski asked him.

"But Poles have their own country! Now the richest in the world! We don't, so those Western Jews will continue to look down on us with superiority. After all, in the future Poland, there will be practically no Jews," Rubisztejn observed. It was no secret that he was a Zionist and the President of Mizrachi in the Eastern Borderlands.

This organization advocated for the rebuilding of a Jewish state in Palestine based on religious principles, as well as equal rights for the Jewish population in Poland and the broadest loyalty to the Republic.

Given that the Future Poland did not concern itself with the Jewish question, even nationalist circles, although generally unfriendly towards minorities, the principle of equal rights was de facto fully implemented. The Third Republic abolished all restrictions that universities and other organizations had previously imposed.

It did not go without controversy among the borderland communities, which were amplified by the National Movement within the Confederation, seeking voters in the Borderlands. However, in the end, the state machinery broke the resistance of organizations in the Borderlands. That is why the Confederation was cautious in publicizing these issues, not wanting to lose voters and focusing mainly on justified matters.

The general attitude of Polish society towards the Jews from the Borderlands was indifferent, considering them just another minority in the region.

Of course, nationalists extensively publicized the alarming decline in Poland's national unity, although in reality, it wasn't as significant. Currently, Poles make up 83% of the total population, with over 50 million people.

Compared to the statistics from the times of the Second Polish Republic, the current situation was much better for the country's stability.

"Prejudices cannot be dismantled in a year, Mr. Rubisztejn. From what I gathered in conversations with the World Union, they find it hard to believe that it was Germany, not Poland, that exterminated those Jews. And they consider our immense wealth to be derived from the theft of Jewish assets," Schudrich replied, attempting to end the fruitless discussion.

In response to the last statement, Rubisztejn scoffed, "Wealth from theft? Please, the average Jew is as poor as a church mouse, confined to ghettos or shtetls of their own volition, and they keep getting poorer. What did they feast on? Can't they believe that Poles are capable of anything?"

"Well, they consider the Anglo-Saxons, French, and Germans as the master races, while Slavs are only fit for labor, and Jews are leeches," Kahane said.

"But you know that Michael was referring to the World Rabbis, right?" Szychowski interjected.

"Yes, so what?" Kahane replied.

"Well, they probably won't think that Jews are leeches," Szychowski retorted.

This amused the Eastern rabbis, and they began to chuckle.

"Dawid," Rubisztejn started.

"They are infected with the mindset of their societies. They see us as Ostjuden, treating us like typical German Jews. They consider themselves equal to the master races, while we are useless parasites," Kahane concluded.

Szychowski remained silent.

"And how can you explain their contemptuous attitude towards Jews fleeing from Central Europe and their encouragement to Western governments to close their borders?" Rubisztejn asked him.

"You know very well how it all ended!" Kahane added.

Szychowski still had no answer.

"Are you finished?" Schudrich asked them.

"Now we are," Rubisztejn replied unabashedly.

"Although we make no promises," Kahane added.

The Chief Rabbi put his hand on his forehead, feeling exhausted. President Duda chuckled as he witnessed the rabbis' debate.

"Alright, let's now move on to the organizational matters. We want to determine how many and how quickly you can accommodate..." Duda continued.

July 20, 1939
Third Polish Republic
Szczecin
Szczecin Main Railway Station


An old steam locomotive pulled onto the modern platform, bearing the markings of Deutsche Reichsbahn. The passenger wagons it brought were not the most modern, but fortunately, they were suitable for transportation.

A large cloud of steam escaped as the German conductors began to open the doors of the train. Within moments, hundreds of people poured out of the train. They were met by members of charitable organizations, special staff assigned to facilitate the exchange of documents for new ones, and members of Jewish communities who would assist in directing each family to their destination.

The station itself had already been prepared to receive refugees, as it had appropriate facilities previously used by Ukrainians.

Among the Jews exiting the trains that day was a particular family. They were the Gryszpan family, with Zendel, the head of the family, his wife Ryfka, and their son Mordechai with his wife Berta. Their second son, Herschel, awaited them on the platform. He had recently arrived in Poland from France, using funds provided by his relatives to help the family.

In another world, Herschel would have been indirectly responsible for triggering Kristallnacht after he shot and killed the secretary of the German ambassador in France, Ernst vom Rath, in retaliation for the Polenaktion.

However, in this reality, Herschel never resorted to such actions, although he came close. Ultimately, his uncle dissuaded him, saying that he would be more valuable to the family in Poland, unaware of what young Herschel had contemplated doing.

In this way, by chance, he saved the lives of the remaining Jews in Germany.

Young Gryszpan eventually agreed to buy a ticket for the first available ship in Calais, preferring to avoid Germany out of pure caution. He sailed to Szczecin, where his family was supposed to be.

Prior to his departure, his relatives managed to arrange a temporary Polish passport and identity document for Herschel, allowing him to leave France without obstacles. He was unaware that he would be leaving France for many years, but on the other hand, his visa had expired, and he was mostly languishing in France rather than realizing his aspirations.

As soon as he arrived in Szczecin, the first thing he did was establish contact with organizations tasked with assisting refugees from Germany. It was challenging because he didn't speak Polish, only German. He had lived in Germany since he was a child, where his parents had immigrated.

Fortunately, the young Jew's energy and the fact that Szczecin was a regular destination for Germans who left their money in Polish pockets made it only a minor obstacle. Eventually, he managed to rent a room for a few nights in one of the hotels in Szczecin.

He had been waiting all this time for his relatives to arrive, which happened today. In the meantime, Herschel took the opportunity to explore the city during breaks from waiting at the station.

It was quite a shock. Paris or his hometown of Hanover were something grand, but Szczecin surpassed them. It had a smaller population, but the entire metropolitan area was much larger than both cities combined. The city pleasantly surprised him.

And it was cleaner, certainly cleaner than Paris.

"My son!" Zendel exclaimed in German upon seeing his child, embracing him, followed by his wife Ryfka.

"Welcome, Father," Herschel replied. "Mother and brother," he addressed his remaining relatives one by one.

The last to greet was his sister-in-law Berta, who had sent him a letter explaining their situation.

"It's a bit strange seeing this city with Polish signs," his brother Mordechai said, looking around the platform.

Herschel smiled. "You haven't seen the strangest part yet."

"What haven't I seen?" Mordechai asked, but Herschel didn't want to say.

"It doesn't matter, Mordechai. We'll find out soon enough," he said, then turned to his younger son. "Lead the way!"

Herschel fulfilled the request, leading them to one of the side halls where there was already a long queue for the counters where female officials sat, processing the old identity documents and issuing new temporary ones.

The young Jew directed his family to the smaller queue, meant for those who didn't require immediate assistance. Both queues moved swiftly, and more Jews headed in the appropriate directions, mostly towards the buses parked in front of the station, which would take them to temporary centers designated for them.

The first person to stand before a woman who appeared to be in her forties was Zendel.

"Please present your documents and state your name," she said in German.

"Zendel Gryszpan, and you can speak Polish. I understand the language," Zendel replied in rusty but comprehensible Polish.

"I see. Please have a seat," the woman responded, slightly pleased, and then she clicked something on a strange typewriter-like device, transcribing the information from his ID card and passport.

"Born in Radomsko on the XX day of the X month, XXXX?" the woman asked as he sat on the peculiar plastic chair. He immediately sensed that the material he was sitting on was not natural.

"That's correct."

"Your parents?"

"Dawid and Miriam."

"Mother's maiden name?"

"Epstein."

"Educational background?"

"I completed primary school and was trained as a tailor," Zendel replied.

The woman looked at him, then clicked her tongue and muttered under her breath, weakly but still comprehensible, "Vocational."

"Occupation?"

"Tailor."

"Reason... sorry, mistake. What do you intend to be?"

"To the best of my ability, continue my profession," the older man confidently replied.

The woman looked at him strangely again, then entered something into that strange device and said, "It's not like you'll face much competition. Though I don't see much success in that field, it's largely become obsolete."

"When life gives you lemons, make lemonade," Zendel replied.

The woman agreed. "Well said, Mr. Gryszpan."

Then the strange machine, which he soon recognized as a printer, started working after the woman made a final click with the peculiar device. She then took out a folder and inserted the freshly printed sheets along with some strange colored ones featuring the Polish coat of arms and his documents inside.

"Considering that you have chosen a position for individuals with certain connections in Poland, you and your family are not entitled to a place in the refugee center. Therefore, for the next 7 days, you are required to stay in Szczecin to collect your ID card from the Municipal Office," the official informed Zendel in an officious tone.

"Furthermore, I inform you about a special non-repayable loan from the Ministry of Finance available to refugees for establishing their own place of work. To apply, you must submit an application through one of the designated organizations here. You will find more information in the brochure."

Zendel was astonished to hear this.

"In addition, you will receive a subsidized personal phone with an Orange Telekomunikacja Polska SIM card from the Union of Jewish Religious Communities," the woman took out a large black box with a prominent Orange logo on the side, containing a flat device that clearly resembled a phone. The label indicated it belonged to the Kruger&Matz brand.

"Do I understand correctly that the user manual is inside?" Zendel asked the woman, who smiled and shook her head.

"No, but you can ask one of those people," she pointed to a few individuals. "They are here to guide you through the first steps and teach you how to operate modern devices."

"Is that all?" Zendel asked.

"Yes," the woman replied, and Zendel gave up his place to his wife.

While the official attended to his wife, Zendel examined what he had received. First, he started flipping through the documents, which included numerous colorful pages written in three languages: Polish, German, and Yiddish. The Yiddish section immediately revealed that it had been hastily and rather blindly produced.

Meanwhile, his elder son became intrigued by the box with the phone. "Father, what is this?"

"A phone," Zendel replied without interrupting his reading.

"Such a small one?" Mordechaj exclaimed. "And where's the cord?"

"Welcome to the future, brother! That's how phones are made now, small enough to fit in your pocket and without a cord. Every Polish person has one," Herschel said.

"It must be expensive," Mordechaj remarked.

"Not really, the highest price is four thousand złoty," Herschel replied.

"That's a lot!" Mordechaj noticed.

"Perhaps in Germany, brother. But here in Poland, the minimum wage is three thousand four hundred złoty."

"Whose minimum wage? The manager of a steelworks?" Mordechaj asked incredulously.

"An ordinary worker, for example, a store clerk," Herschel replied, causing Mordechaj's jaw to drop.

"Did you hear, Father? Almost three and a half thousand for an ordinary laborer! Why didn't we come here earlier?" Mordechaj spoke up.

"Yes, and think for a moment. Would you believe it if you heard about it in the Reich?" Zendel asked his son, interrupting his reading.

Mordechaj pondered for a moment. "No..." Then he wanted to add something, but his mother called him.

"Mordechaj, it's your turn!"

The eldest son cut off halfway through a word before dejectedly moving to a plastic chair.

"So, what do we do, Zendel?" his wife asked him.

The head of the family didn't respond immediately. It was only after finishing reading the last brochure that he answered, "We make use of what life gives us and move forward."

"So?" she inquired.

"So, we make use of the assistance provided by those organizations and what the Polish government offers us. We'll try to find accommodation in Stettin and attempt to open a tailoring workshop here. The woman mentioned that it's a dying profession, so we don't have to worry about competition."

"Only about finding customers," Ryfka pointed out.

Zendel shrugged. "We managed despite the hostility from the Germans and the constant obstacles thrown at us by the Nazis. We will manage here as well."

"Isn't that right, Herschel?" he asked his younger son.

Herschel nodded. "Yes, Dad."

"That's good," Zendel replied. "So, my son, I hope you didn't idle away your time while waiting for us. Do you have something interesting?"

Herschel nodded again. "Yes! I have a few interesting locations. Some of the locals couldn't withstand the wave of crises and had to close down. They are offering to sell their premises at a low price."

Zendel perked up his ears.
 
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Batrix2070

RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
AT - if our old army had some AT rifles,we could send all to Japan.And 37mm Bofors,too.
I knew! plans for 57mm AT gun, Japan could made them by itself.Good enough for everytching Allies could have till 1945.
And Japan could use it on their Type 97 so-called medium tank.
Isn't the D-44 better? The 85mm caliber is very future-proof. Or the ZiS-3, a more versatile gun. Rather, the Bofors will go to closer allies.
AA - except Groms,send 23mm guns.Maybe sell them plans for old soviet 57mm guns,too?
to be honest,we could start making them again,too.
Why not? Neither the 23mm nor the 57 are space-age technology and with this the Japanese air defense will be strengthened over what they had. Of course, it would be best to help them embrace bofors or sell them a primitive version of our 35 adapted for manual loading without those electronics.
P.S We could suggest Japan that their turn fighters like Zero and Ki43 are dead end,and suggest making Ki84.
Or propose our new Jastrząb fighters.
Ki84 Taka, in fact, that the Jastrząb is to be such an export aircraft to the allies is what I planned from the beginning. The biggest problem will be in breaking the reluctance of the army and navy to each other. Each had separate air forces and did not want to have an aircraft unified with the other side for any reason. Forcing them, of course, to develop the same type of machine twice (more or less, a deck plane is different from a regular plane but the point is that if one force bought a plane from some company the other won't buy another plane from that company even if it suited them better than the competition).
P.P.S - During first day of Chałchyn goł battle soviets aces made miracle - they schoot down 29/31 japaneese fighters.
Why miracle? Japan had there 16 fighters,and lost 5.......
Magic 300% of the norm. Epic victories, finger on the water plotted. It's just a shame that somehow the Red Army on land didn't feel it.
 
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Husky_Khan

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Interesting latest chapter. It makes sense that there is a streamlined system. There would already be assets in place due to the Ukrainian conflict and having to process large numbers of refugees from the Russian Invasion of Ukraine, plus the earlier migrant crises.
 

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No, the only units that practiced were strictly Polish. The other Natov forces practiced separately in smaller regional exercises without foreign observers. And their equipment and numbers are covered by military secrecy. (Read, I don't know how many there are, but I'll be able to pull more out of my hat. For this reason, the status of the Abrams, for example, is understated, as it represents only Polish training Ambras and those of the 116 Abrams delivered in 2023. Missing by an eye, 85, but I need to make sure exactly how many American armored personnel are with us).
The more,the merrier!
And,seriously,you could include as many as your story need.Well,almost as many.YYou could not include what NATO do not have in Europe in 2023 ,and could send to Poland for exercises.

Back to topic - Zukow fucked it attacking with tanks alone - but soviets made that mistake till at least 1943.
Famous Prohorowka battle was in fact soviet futile charge against SS positions in captured villages,when they lost at least 267 tanks for 5 german destroyed - becouse they attacked without infrantry.

And,to be honest,if sralin purge hom now,it only help him - soviets had few good commanders,like Konew,but Zhukow was not one of them.He only knew how toss bodies at enemy lines - and you do not need generals for that.
Sergeants would do nicely

P.S About Konfederacja and jews - why Borderland poles should vote for them,when they have Endecja?

And why jews should be loyal to Poland? in OTL they supported soviets and initially even germans.Till 1940 germans treated tem better then us.
So,why they should support us,when soviet victory is more probable,and they supported them arleady ?
 
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Batrix2070

RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
P.S About Konfederacja and jews - why Borderland poles should vote for them,when they have Endecja?
To eat the competition?

And why jews should be loyal to Poland? in OTL they supported soviets and initially even germans.Till 1940 germans treated tem better then us.
This was their program, the Jews were not a one-size-fits-all mass. They had their own factions. The factions supporting Poland collapsed with the collapse of Poland. The Mizrachi were one such faction, more importantly they were openly hostile to communism and the Soviets. They encouraged their followers to financially support the Polish Army in 1920 during the war with Bolsheviks.
So,why they should support us,when soviet victory is more probable,and they supported them arleady ?
The same as above, there are different factions. The factions that were more Zionist and less internationalist were more loyal to Poland. The Bund and other communists were openly hostile, as long as the Second Republic functioned they were stifled.
Moreover, the victory of the Soviets is not so certain, the Polish state openly takes care to show what the Soviets are and what the Red Army really looks like in action.
 

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To eat the competition?


This was their program, the Jews were not a one-size-fits-all mass. They had their own factions. The factions supporting Poland collapsed with the collapse of Poland. The Mizrachi were one such faction, more importantly they were openly hostile to communism and the Soviets. They encouraged their followers to financially support the Polish Army in 1920 during the war with Bolsheviks.

The same as above, there are different factions. The factions that were more Zionist and less internationalist were more loyal to Poland. The Bund and other communists were openly hostile, as long as the Second Republic functioned they were stifled.
Moreover, the victory of the Soviets is not so certain, the Polish state openly takes care to show what the Soviets are and what the Red Army really looks like in action.
1.Who would eat whom? although i would pay to see Endecja reaction to our Giertych.

2.My maternal grandmother lived in Warsaw in 1829 as child,but hear from her mother about that.
As able-bodied poles go to army,and all polish woman prayed for our victory.
When jews made triumh arc waiting for coming soviets.
Maybe there was some minority supporting us - but as samll as christians in modern Germany.

3.Yet majority supported leftist.
And,when soviets alone are giant on clay legs,with german,England and USA support they must win.
And jews from USA must knew whom USA are supporting.
Certainly not Poland.

Add fact,that Poland is ruled by socialist Kaczyński,and miękiszin Morawiecki.With another miękiszon Duda.
With such leaders,we must lost.
 
Operational Plan 1610

Batrix2070

RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
September 1, 1939
Third Polish Republic
Warsaw
General Staff of the Polish Army


September 1, Anno Domini 1939, a memorable day. On this day, one of the most effective war machines in human history set in motion against Poland. Poor Poland, rising from over a century of peripheral status, was unable to stop the second-largest economy in the world, completely dedicated to insane armament.

It can be argued whether Poland could have resisted the Germans for a longer or shorter period. Nevertheless, the fact remains that with what Poland had at that time, one month of resistance was a remarkable achievement. Anything more astonishing would have required stubborn trench warfare and persistent holding of territory, which, considering the overall weakness of the Polish Army's firepower, would have been incredibly bloody and devastating for Poland and the Polish people.

Marshal Edward Rydz-Śmigły ultimately arrived at these conclusions after studying many thousands of surviving orders, reports, syntheses, and other materials from September 1939 and beyond. Of course, much lay ahead of him, but even now he could consider himself an expert on the subject, all the more so because, unlike many amateur historians, he was also a military man and had a much better insight into what the Army actually looked like back then.

Nevertheless, this was his side job, which he did in his free time, preferring to see for himself what truly happened on that day rather than listen to the "wiser" ones.

His normal work, apart from taking refresher courses, primarily involved instilling the old pre-communist esprit de corps of the Polish Army among the troops, assisting in the organization of offensive plans against the Soviets, and serving as General Andrzejczak's aide in various matters, mainly involving kicking someone in the groin.

For example, he recently managed to push through the exchange of ceremonial and service uniforms for those that harken back to the traditions of the Polish Army. He argued that the new design was a departure from the communist puppet army, and such seemingly trivial details could significantly change a person's attitude when wearing a uniform and remind them of the continuity of military traditions.

Another change was the replacement of berets with peaked caps (rogatywka), although the beret remained an optional choice. Now, the peaked cap was to be the normal headgear worn in the field, with exceptions for armored and special forces.

This change did not need to be popularized among the soldiers; in fact, many of them preferred a regular cap like the WOT wear, rather than a beret. The problem lay elsewhere, specifically in the Military Economic Units and their resistance to any changes.

In general, Rydz quickly realized how much of the logistics system of the Polish Army was rigid and resistant to any changes. The persistence in ordering outdated equipment despite the availability of new and better options, making it difficult to issue equipment for fear of it getting damaged, as if allowing it to sit in warehouses was a better solution, and many other obstacles.

Since Rydz had de facto availability, he quickly assumed the unofficial role of kicking the Military Economic Units into action and forcing them to work. He collaborated with the Chief of the Armament Agency, General Artur Kupeć, to adapt the Ministry of National Defense and the Army to the new reality and break through the concrete.

Speaking very generally, Rydz knew better than anyone in the Ministry of National Defense how to approach the domestic arms industry. For him, it was quite natural to order the necessary equipment domestically before looking abroad.

The only problem for Rydz was the fact that he had limited purchasing capabilities, so he couldn't fully utilize the industry's potential. This led to absurd situations where essential equipment for the Army, despite significant domestic production capacity, was not being ordered for a long time.

But that is not the case here. The Third Polish Republic is much wealthier than the Second Polish Republic. In fact, it is currently the richest country in the world. This year, Poland has spent about $17 billion* more on its armaments than Germany has in the last four years combined!

To achieve that, Germany had to completely reorient itself towards armaments, while Poland simply snapped its fingers and didn't even notice. It's a completely different scale. Rydz could only laugh at the military budget from his time.

To understand the magnitude of the difference, in 2023, Poland spent 133 billion Polish złoty on the military, which, in old złoty, is worth 13.3 billion. For simplicity, the official exchange rate from old złoty to new złoty is 1:10.

Meanwhile, Rydz vividly remembered that the projected expenses for 1939 were supposed to amount to 1.19 billion old złoty, which is over 11.9 billion new złoty.

The difference is eleven times greater! What's worse, more than half of that 1.19 billion old złoty had to be deducted for vegetative expenses.** In the future Poland, this is a much better result, with only 40% being vegetative expenses.

More importantly, the future budget was expected to be even larger. Morawiecki practically cried when he saw the new demand. Of course, Poland could afford such financing, especially since the nation understood and knew well the current situation.

They were actually much more aware than Rydz's compatriots, for whom the information about what happened during the war is unimaginable. Even he had a hard time believing it himself, despite photographs, plaques, or documents showing the scale of German and Soviet cruelty and bestiality in black and white.

Nevertheless, this awareness of what happened was the reason why support for increased funding grew to such an extent that it surpassed all bounds of reason. Massive armament and army expansion were actually what the Poles expected and demanded from the state and the government.

No one trusted either the Third Reich or the USSR. The scenario of cooperation between these two states was the default for an average Pole, even if there was no such thing, or at least Rydz didn't know about it. And he already knew quite a lot. Nonetheless, here he agrees with each of the future Poles and assumes that even if they don't have any agreement, Hitler or Stalin will still seize the opportunity.

Because everything indicated that the Painter had finally become scared and stopped being aggressive. At least for now.

As for Stalin... that was a strange situation. He was aggressive, yet he always concealed it. After the Red Army suffered a defeat in Mongolia at the hands of the Japanese with Polish assistance, he calmed down.

The constant testing of boundaries in the Borderlands disappeared in one fell swoop. The same happened on all other borders where countries tried to test Polish security guarantees after entering alliances with Poland.

The Soviets even shifted to a defensive stance, which was particularly evident in their propaganda, which changed its emphasis and focused on defense to an unprecedented degree. What's more, their Minister of Foreign Affairs, Maxim Litvinov, is expected to arrive from Moscow.

From what the Prezes suspected, Litvinov was supposed to propose the continuation of the existing treaties on much better terms for Poland. He believed that Stalin had decided to buy himself some time, although both of them knew well that it was all a farce.

Rydz agreed with this thinking. War with the Soviets is inevitable, as certain as "amen" in a prayer. The only question is when. Because whether or not, it is unquestionable that this nightmare in the East needs to be ended and the threat to Poland needs to be eliminated.

For this reason, plans regarding the Soviets had a higher priority than those concerning Germany. The entire general staff at the Headquarters helped create variations of the operational plan 1610.

The number is not random; it signifies the date of entering Moscow and keeping it under Polish control for the next two years. They wanted to repeat that success, though without the grim ending.

The plan itself, in its basic structure, did not change much and was divided into three stages.

The first stage involved launching three strong offensives: one towards the Smolensk Gate to seize Belarus up to Vitebsk, the second towards Kyiv, and the third from Romania towards Zaporizhia to control the entire right-bank Ukraine.

During this time, the Baltic States and Finland were to engage the Red Army in combat, waiting for the second stage.

In the territories liberated from the Soviets, the intention was to establish and create dependent but independent states of Belarus and Ukraine. The Government of the Belarusian People's Republic was invited to Poland to establish in advance all the rules of cooperation. In case of problems, the remnants of the United Transitional Cabinet of the future Belarus were planned to be used as a government.

In the case of Ukraine, the matter was not as straightforward. The regression in time consumed the entire government of the Ukrainian People's Republic, leaving only remnants. Therefore, it was necessary to build a completely new government based on future Ukrainians.

Vasyl Zvarych, the former Ambassador of Ukraine to Poland, became the new President, a man who, to put it mildly, still cannot get used to the new situation. The situation in which Poland dictates the terms from A to Z amused Rydz, with his arrogance and self-importance.

For this reason, the Prezes asked Rydz to put his foot down and show Zvarych his place. He did it without a problem, and from that moment on, Zvarych became calmer and understood his position.

The Marshal simply made it clear to him that now the existence of Ukraine depends on Poland's goodwill. And if the ex-ambassador wants to personally lead Ukraine to a better world and become a revered hero, he must be obedient.

Otherwise, he will find himself in Bereza with anyone who is smart and wants to build Ukraine into a country that is far away and cannot help them, and most likely they will suffer greatly when they do. Meanwhile, Poland will achieve its goals by finding someone with less moral backbone but sufficient to govern Ukraine.

Zvarych replied that he is not that foolish because Germany is internationally isolated due to future news, and aligning with them would be suicide for Ukraine. What's more, the only way they could defeat Poland is by allying with the Soviets, but they have no interest in a free Ukraine.

Italy is focused elsewhere, on Africa and the Mediterranean Sea. Regarding Central and Eastern Europe, they look to Poland as the stronger ally, so they will not act against it. If they support Ukraine, it will only be in a way that supports Poland.

France sees Poland as a strategic ally, and its area of interest in Eastern Europe ends with balancing Germany. Supporting Ukraine weakens the Eastern alliance, so they will avoid it unless it helps Poland and weakens the Communists.

Great Britain lacks the necessary power projection and interest to engage in Eastern Europe. Actually, their policy is too preoccupied with the Far East and Africa to worry about Europe. Moreover, even if they became hostile to Poland and allied with Ukraine, they have no means to help because Poland has natural allies in the form of France and Italy, so the geographic barrier is even greater than usual.

The United States is sleeping, and when they do pay attention, it's to East Asia. Europe is entirely outside their sphere of interest. Only if Japan goes to war with them and involves Poland will they become interested in supporting Ukraine as a way to weaken Poland. However, like Great Britain, they face a significant geographic barrier to accomplish that.

Japan has no interest here, especially since it would be an interference in Poland's sphere, and they have a common enemy in the Soviets.

The Soviets, on the other hand, remain the common enemy of Poland and Ukraine, just as the Russians or whatever replaces Russia will be. Therefore, there is no possibility of an agreement.

In summary, as Zvarych concluded, out of the seven remaining major powers that could support the Ukrainian cause, three will choose Poland and see it as an ally. One will not help them under any circumstances and is a common enemy.

One is immersed in isolationism and can only achieve something if a serious event occurs, but even that does not guarantee success. The tremendous production potential is not such a strong advantage against Poland, whose industry is much more efficient.

One is scattered on multiple fronts, has natural adversaries against them who will immediately side with Poland, and has a natural geographic barrier, making any help for Ukraine a fiction.

Therefore, Zvarych said that even if he wanted to, he would not seek an ally elsewhere; the divide is simply too significant. Hence his determination to negotiate the best possible conditions for Ukraine. This was surprising to Rydz, seeing that Zvarych was much more reasonable than any other Ukrainian he had encountered, despite his arrogance and self-importance.

Nevertheless, the task was completed, and from that moment on, Zvarych became more compliant. For example, he apologized on behalf of Ukraine for the UPA crimes in Volhynia and so on. Rydz was indifferent to it; while the crime was cruel, the stubbornness of many future Poles on this matter was politically idiotic. What mattered were the consequences, not words, especially since it was enough to ensure that it would not happen again.

Returning to the plan, the first stage was supposed to end with the control and defense along the Dvina and Dnieper rivers. As soon as this was achieved, the second stage was to begin, consisting of two phases. The most essential units for the breakthrough were to be transferred to Estonia and Finland.

The first phase involved launching another double strike to converge in Leningrad. The goal was to gain control over the entire access to the Baltic Sea and northwestern Russia, specifically the territories of the former Novgorod Republic. A new government of White Russia was to be established there in its former capital, Petersburg.

What kind of Russia would it be? It did not matter. The only thing that mattered was the dependence of that government on Poland. It was about finding people desperate enough to seize this unique opportunity to reclaim Russia.

The second phase involved an attack on the Soviet part of Karelia. The second stage was to end with the capture of the last useful seaport with access to the White Sea, which was Arkhangelsk.

In this way, if the alliance with Japan succeeded, the Soviets would be cut off from any possible foreign assistance. The Black Sea was to be a zone controlled by the Romanian fleet and, if possible, also by the Italian fleet.

The second stage was to end when the newly independent states were stable enough to form regular armed forces and a state apparatus. Poland was to be responsible for their equipment, planning to arm them in the style of Division C.

This way, they intended to gain additional divisions composed of people willing to fight for their liberation from the Soviets. The most challenging part would be with the Belarusians, as they had no army, while it would be easier with the Ukrainians, as there were no shortages of veterans from the Ukrainian-Russian War of 2022 healing in Polish military hospitals. If necessary, Ukrainian soldiers serving in the Polish Army would also be added.

The third stage had three phases, with the first one being the most difficult and demanding, a maritime and airborne assault on Transcaucasia. The goal was to liberate Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan from Soviet control and seize the oil fields near Baku from the Soviets. Without achieving this objective, the rest of the third stage would be much more challenging. Therefore, preparations had already begun.

The 7th Coastal Defense Brigade was carved out of the 12th Mechanized Division, and a completely new unit was to take its place. The 7th Brigade itself was placed under a completely new unit, the 7th Lusatian Landing Division, a new four-brigade division of the Polish Army.

The 7th Brigade was reconfigured to become a brigade of marine mechanized infantry. Moreover, an identical formation, the reconstituted 8th Coastal Defense Brigade, was to join it as an identical unit to the 7th.

To complete the picture, the 6th Airborne Brigade and the 25th Air Cavalry Brigade were to be added. They were supposed to be the main striking force in the first phase of the third stage, supplemented by Romanian and Czech forces, as well as liberation units composed of Georgians, Armenians, and Azerbaijanis.

The second stage was to commence when the 7th Division and supporting forces approached Baku. At that point, the Ukrainian and White Russian forces, together with the Polish Army, were to initiate their own offensive. The Ukrainians would move towards Rostov-on-Don and Stalingrad, ultimately meeting the forces from the first stage in the Kuban region.

Meanwhile, the White Russians were to advance towards Moscow, although their main objective would actually be Perm, aiming to subsequently join forces with the Ukrainian Army in the vicinity of Kazan. The second stage was to conclude when the White Russian and Ukrainian forces neared each other.

The third stage was set to begin as the second stage progressed, depending on the success of the previous stage. It would either be a mere formality or a forceful diversion. This stage was also the least complicated, involving a straightforward assault from the Smolensk Gate towards Moscow.

This stage would culminate in the fall of Moscow. By then, the war should only be a formality, assuming the plan proceeded as intended, which Rydz doubted. However, as can be observed, the entire plan relied on gaining allies and gradually cutting off the Soviets from resources while transitioning the Polish Army from a core force to a decisive force, leading the offensive but supplemented by divisions from other countries.

The plan itself aimed to avoid attrition warfare and protracted pushing of the Soviets from their positions. Cities such as Stalingrad and Rostov were planned to be cut off first before attempting to capture them. Only Leningrad was intended to be taken by storm from the very beginning.

Polish planners drew from the experiences of the Ukrainians in 2022/23, as well as from the Germans and their own. They wanted to stretch and tear apart the Soviets piece by piece, rather than rushing forward recklessly. This approach would undoubtedly make the war longer but less exhausting and costly.

Rydz had to admit that while it was a grand plan beyond his wildest dreams, he could clearly see its highly organic and gradual approach. It was not a brilliant maneuver like the one from the Wieprz, but he had no complaints. He was not the one making the decisions, nor would he bear the responsibility for them. He would only command a formation on the front, doing what he loved and excelled at the most.

Personally, he would like to lead the invasion of Transcaucasia, recognizing that it would require exceptional enthusiasm and skills. He could provide both, while also redeeming himself for September 1939, reminding everyone of the old Rydz from 1920, the defender of Vilnius and the conqueror of Dyneburg.

Regardless, the war would be exhausting, and the Soviets would likely not play along as they were expected to. That much Rydz could be certain of.

*Rydz means dollars from the 1930s. He calculated it for himself.

**For American readers, each of these amounts in new Polish złoty should be divided by four to get the equivalent in dollars (contemporary, of course). So, in dollars, it would be:

Poland 2023: $33,250,000,000

Poland 1939: $2,975,000,000

The difference is even more striking, isn't it? For clarification, I calculated this based on the exchange rate on June 14, 2023, when 1 dollar was worth 4.11 złoty. Different results may occur on other days.
 
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ATP

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Well,with Morawiecki,Kaczyński and Rydz using their brains,it is possible.
Problem is - Kaczyński and Morawiecki do not use their brains now,and Rydz not used his in 1939.

So,you need miracle here.


About politics - YOU FORGET TWO ELEPHANTS IN THE ROOM.
England - they were ruled by secret cabal who wont feed Poland to Germany.They would try it again here.
USA - are ruled by FDR,who loved soviets,and would do everytchinh he could to help them.

So,you have 2 states who want help Ukraine against Poland ,but since they fed them to soviets later,smart ukrainians would not go for that.

Problem is - are urainians smart? brave,certainly,but smart...i think,that they agree to be USA puppets here.
You need another miracle to made them smarter.

About military - if you agree to ally with Italy and gave them some stuff,they should send some dyvisions East,too.
In OTL they served well there - stopped without german help soviet winter offensive in 1941,and manage to break from enciclement year later.In fucking bayonet charge !

P.S You are right about money - and,we should spend more on drones and artillery then tanks.
Cheaper and more effective.

About Warmate - they,except AT version,have also two anti-infrantry - oe with thermobaric warhead.
Since we are making those for Crabs and Raks,too,then we just should use it more.
We have even versions for 60mm mortar and 40mm grenade launcher !

P.P.S i still belive,that our leaders would fuck it - and we need miracle to heal their brains first,so they start thinking.
 

Batrix2070

RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
Well,with Morawiecki,Kaczyński and Rydz using their brains,it is possible.
Problem is - Kaczyński and Morawiecki do not use their brains now,and Rydz not used his in 1939.
Actually, they are using, just:
A) they draw different conclusions,
B) they know more than a normal person which makes the situation look different for them
C) they are people who make mistakes
Problem is - are urainians smart? brave,certainly,but smart...i think,that they agree to be USA puppets here.
You need another miracle to made them smarter.
The world is a non-determinist mindset, if Ukrainians were stupid then today we would have a puppet version of their country. They are not, they just play the game as they are allowed.

In such a situation, they can well see where the wind is blowing from. As well as they realize that it is thanks to Poland that they can live, it is enough for Poland to close the road and no one can catch Ukraine. (For unlike in our world, there is no longer a force capable of stopping Poland from doing what it wants. Well, and we are not between two inconvenient choices on which we lose anyway regardless of which one we choose. Now Ukraine hangs on and no one else will help it.)
Especially since the very logic dictates to support in opposition to Poland, the USSR because it is bigger and stronger than the Ukrainians who are hanging in Poland's favor.

Which forces them to automatically support Poland because it is their only chance for independence, while many of the future Ukrainians see our country as an example worthy of emulation in their own. One has to be a fiercely hateful xenophobe like Bandera to choose any other option than Poland.
P.S You are right about money - and,we should spend more on drones and artillery then tanks.
Cheaper and more effective.
Drones and artillery are used to destroy the enemy, but without tanks covering them and occupying territory, they are helpless. War is a system, not individual toys.

And Poland needs both drones and artillery and tanks and everything else. So not something at the expense of something but everything. There is no other choice.
P.P.S i still belive,that our leaders would fuck it - and we need miracle to heal their brains first,so they start thinking.
I rather think they think but you know, you play as the opponent allows and what you know and think.

In too many things they are compliant but we don't know why. It's easy to say they are doing something wrong, but we don't know if by chance there is something behind the scenes that makes it the lesser of two evils than the other option.

Add to that that this is the center-right pushed to more right-wing positions, so you have a veritable mishmash.

So I rather approach it from the side, they are limited now by rules, commitments and so on. But now? What force can stop them? They even got a dream opportunity to do what they want, because now it is Poland that has the right base to be a numero uno power. And looking at how much they like to use the opportunity to rule others and that if they want to, they can.

I would not treat their actions here as a miracle.
 
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ATP

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Actually, they are using, just:
A) they draw different conclusions,
B) they know more than a normal person which makes the situation look different for them
C) they are people who make mistakes

The world is a non-determinist mindset, if Ukrainians were stupid then today we would have a puppet version of their country. They are not, they just play the game as they are allowed.

In such a situation, they can well see where the wind is blowing from. As well as they realize that it is thanks to Poland that they can live, it is enough for Poland to close the road and no one can catch Ukraine. (For unlike in our world, there is no longer a force capable of stopping Poland from doing what it wants. Well, and we are not between two inconvenient choices on which we lose anyway regardless of which one we choose. Now Ukraine hangs on and no one else will help it.)
Especially since the very logic dictates to support in opposition to Poland, the USSR because it is bigger and stronger than the Ukrainians who are hanging in Poland's favor.

Which forces them to automatically support Poland because it is their only chance for independence, while many of the future Ukrainians see our country as an example worthy of emulation in their own. One has to be a fiercely hateful xenophobe like Bandera to choose any other option than Poland.

Drones and artillery are used to destroy the enemy, but without tanks covering them and occupying territory, they are helpless. War is a system, not individual toys.

And Poland needs both drones and artillery and tanks and everything else. So not something at the expense of something but everything. There is no other choice.

I rather think they think but you know, you play as the opponent allows and what you know and think.

In too many things they are compliant but we don't know why. It's easy to say they are doing something wrong, but we don't know if by chance there is something behind the scenes that makes it the lesser of two evils than the other option.

Add to that that this is the center-right pushed to more right-wing positions, so you have a veritable mishmash.

So I rather approach it from the side, they are limited now by rules, commitments and so on. But now? What force can stop them? They even got a dream opportunity to do what they want, because now it is Poland that has the right base to be a numero uno power. And looking at how much they like to use the opportunity to rule others and that if they want to, they can.

I would not treat their actions here as a miracle.
1.No,Zelensky is using his brain.Our leaders just do what USA Embassy say,and follow german shit,too.
Only difference from Tusk - they lead us to disaster slowly.

2.True,Ukrainians are arrogant,but use their brains,in your TL only following Poland would let them be free - becouse both USA and England would gave them to Sralin.

3.True,but if they spend more on drones and artillery,they could raise more units.
And they need as many dyvisions as possible - in situation when tank dyvisions are very costly,motorized dyvisions with drones and artillery are better.

4.Orban is ruling thinking only about Hungary,Erdogan only about Turkey,Natanjahu about Izrael,and Zelensky only about Ukraine.

So,it is not some hidden knowledge.
Our Eunuchs COULD rule thinking only about Poland - if they wonted to.

But,they do everytching germans and USA want instead without wanting anytching in exchange for that....

Truly,if God do not save us again,we are doomed.And again by our leaders,exactly like in 1792,1831,1863 and 1939.

P.S Poland in 1939 could fight one-two months longer,but it would be all we need for France to crush germans.
They would sell us to soviets,but such is life.

Possible with what we had,if Rydz actually command anytching and use his brain.

And,if Piłsudzki do not win his putch,we would have 60 dyvisions,5 motorized dyvisions,1000 tanks and 2300 planes.
Enough to actually win....
 

Batrix2070

RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
And,if Piłsudzki do not win his putch,we would have 60 dyvisions,5 motorized dyvisions,1000 tanks and 2300 planes.
Enough to actually win....
ATP, I told you. It was impossible, no matter who was in charge. The plans are beautiful but they had to fold because there was no such financial possibility.

Rather, it was an answer to how much equipment and units Poland needed to be dangerous and able to defend itself.

But physically Poland was too poor to maintain such an army, so that more than 33% of the total budget and at times even more was spent on an already existing army consisting of 30 divisions and 10 cavalry brigades. (And you want to double the number of divisions, field tons of armored that we had no way to maintain with resources.)

We had to fold, Rydz or Pilsudski were well aware of this. We had to have a much larger economy to afford such a thing. This is as viable a plan as the navy had before the more financially viable option was chosen.


Our leaders just do what USA Embassy say,and follow german shit,too.
I do not get such an impression, on the contrary, I notice that they feel strong irritation at our government and are playing to lose it. Especially the Germans who are doing everything to make PiS lose and the Americans feel annoyed that they have to cooperate with someone other than they want to.
Just apparently, they look at the national interest differently and pursue it in a different way.

But,they do everytching germans and USA want instead without wanting anytching in exchange for that....

Truly,if God do not save us again,we are doomed.And again by our leaders,exactly like in 1792,1831,1863 and 1939.
We'll wait and see

3.True,but if they spend more on drones and artillery,they could raise more units.
And they need as many dyvisions as possible - in situation when tank dyvisions are very costly,motorized dyvisions with drones and artillery are better.
ATP, we have only two armored divisions. The 11th Lubuskie Armored Cavalry Division and the 5th Borderland Armored Cavalry Division.

The rest of the divisions are mechanized and motorized with at least one tank battalion in the composition. Of which the motorized are divided into B version and C version. Where here do you see the potential for saving by using drones and artillery?

After all, with drones you will not win the war, they are able to multiply the existing potential of units but not win for them. Artillery, on the other hand, is an integral part of any unit of the Polish Army, even armored cavalry, with their fire they are able to significantly help defeat the enemy, but it is the tanks and infantry that must do it.
 

Husky_Khan

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What kind of forces did the 1940 Baltics even have?

Another minor issue with potential ripple effects might be Volunteer units who might be founded for various Anti-Communist or Soviet Union reasons if and when this potential Invasion of Russia begins.
 

ATP

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ATP, I told you. It was impossible, no matter who was in charge. The plans are beautiful but they had to fold because there was no such financial possibility.

Rather, it was an answer to how much equipment and units Poland needed to be dangerous and able to defend itself.

But physically Poland was too poor to maintain such an army, so that more than 33% of the total budget and at times even more was spent on an already existing army consisting of 30 divisions and 10 cavalry brigades. (And you want to double the number of divisions, field tons of armored that we had no way to maintain with resources.)

We had to fold, Rydz or Pilsudski were well aware of this. We had to have a much larger economy to afford such a thing. This is as viable a plan as the navy had before the more financially viable option was chosen.



I do not get such an impression, on the contrary, I notice that they feel strong irritation at our government and are playing to lose it. Especially the Germans who are doing everything to make PiS lose and the Americans feel annoyed that they have to cooperate with someone other than they want to.
Just apparently, they look at the national interest differently and pursue it in a different way.


We'll wait and see


ATP, we have only two armored divisions. The 11th Lubuskie Armored Cavalry Division and the 5th Borderland Armored Cavalry Division.

The rest of the divisions are mechanized and motorized with at least one tank battalion in the composition. Of which the motorized are divided into B version and C version. Where here do you see the potential for saving by using drones and artillery?

After all, with drones you will not win the war, they are able to multiply the existing potential of units but not win for them. Artillery, on the other hand, is an integral part of any unit of the Polish Army, even armored cavalry, with their fire they are able to significantly help defeat the enemy, but it is the tanks and infantry that must do it.
1.Sanacja fucked economy,destroing private business,if they belonged to poles.Look at Lublin planes factory.
But,even with crisis,normal state would have 45 dyvisions and at least 1000 planes - enough to hold till french come.
Althought frogs would probably still sell us to soviets.

Wait - Endecja wonted help Czech in 1938,if they ruled,we could win then.

2.But they still do what USA want - they should copy Erdogan and Natanjahu.Possible for them,possible for us.

3.Yes.We would see if God save us again,or not.But,if we survive,it would be c ertainly not thanks to our eunuchs.

4.Artillery kill almost everybody now.And we need drones for coordinate fire,especially with thermobaric warheads and cluster ammo.Infrantry just need to keep ground,and attack during nighht finishing survivors.

What kind of forces did the 1940 Baltics even have?

Another minor issue with potential ripple effects might be Volunteer units who might be founded for various Anti-Communist or Soviet Union reasons if and when this potential Invasion of Russia begins.

If i remember correctly,6 dyvisions together.And about 100 obsolate planes,
 

Husky_Khan

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Founder
Base an original character off of ATP and put him in charge of a Volunteer battalion named after the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth or something.

And have them operate a lot of drones.
 

Batrix2070

RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
What kind of forces did the 1940 Baltics even have?
Very small, they field a total of 11 divisions. 4 for Estonia and 4 for Latvia and three for Lithuania (in parentheses, only Latvia and Estonia have official divisions, Lithuanians only regiments). Nevertheless, their numbers are ridiculous, the entire Lithuanian army is the same size as one of the infantry divisions of the Second Republic after mobilization development. I'm not kidding.
 

ATP

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Base an original character off of ATP and put him in charge of a Volunteer battalion named after the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth or something.

And have them operate a lot of drones.
Thank you!
Remember to made him dude complain about everytching! i would do so!
And speaking about certain doom,too !
Sometching like "Germany,USA,England and soviets are after us ! we are doomed,so let die fighting instead in gulags !"
Becouse that what i would do,too.

And,if he survive,made him crushed,becouse Poland actually win !
When @Batrix2070 and @Husky_Khan ,both commanders of other units,would say:
see,i told you!

When poor @ATP would cry "No,we suppose to lost and die in gulags" !

Very small, they field a total of 11 divisions. 4 for Estonia and 4 for Latvia and three for Lithuania (in parentheses, only Latvia and Estonia have official divisions, Lithuanians only regiments). Nevertheless, their numbers are ridiculous, the entire Lithuanian army is the same size as one of the infantry divisions of the Second Republic after mobilization development. I'm not kidding.
Thanks,i thought,that they had only 6 put together.
But,whatever they had,was obsolate - artillery,tanks,planes.

If i remember correctly,their best fighter was Gloster Gladiators and Dewointe D.501,and best tank - Vickers E.
 
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Komar, or Niewiadow, is returning to arms production.

Batrix2070

RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
November 15, 1939
Third Republic of Poland
Łódź Voivodeship
Ujazd


Jarosław Kraszewski, President of the Management Board of Niewiadów Armament Group, including Niewiadów Precision Equipment Plant, rubbed his hands with satisfaction. The event, though painful, provided him with an incredible opportunity to compete with other companies. Orders for equipment and ammunition produced by his group were pouring in from all sides, from Japan, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Estonia, and Finland.

And let's not forget about the Polish Army.

But let's start from the beginning. What is Niewiadów Armament Group? For now, it is a small private defense holding company. They currently have one company producing equipment, namely Niewiadów Precision Equipment Plant, a company with over 100 years of tradition, although it is actually one of the remnants of the former Niewiadów Armament Plant. Another company is involved in R&D as a branch of ZSP (Niewiadów Armament Plant) and GN Logistics, which handles the transportation and logistics of the equipment they produce.

It may not be much, but they have a solid foundation. Firstly, all the former armament production and related documents from the original ZSP are their property. This means that they produce both Soviet-era and new NATO ammunition, as well as weapons such as RPG-76 Komar grenade launchers, internally referred to as Komar-1. Komar-2 is supposed to be an improved and cheaper version of RPG-76, using polymers (or plastic, colloquially) in its construction.

That's one thing, the second is a new toy from Czechoslovakia, a licensed version of RPG-75 in two variants, as well as RTG.

While Komar-1 is an export hit worldwide, for example, the Imperial Japanese Army, following their success in Mongolia, quickly became interested in this weapon and placed an order for over 50,000 RPG-76 Komar grenade launchers and a license for their production in Japan.

Meanwhile, RPG-75 is being purchased on a large scale by the Polish Army as another anti-tank grenade launcher. In fact, their entire production is being bought by them. Why?

There is a huge demand for new grenade launchers, and since the previous source of M72 disappeared, it had to be replaced with something else. That's how RPG-75 in two versions, M and MP, started to find their way to the Armed Forces of the Republic.

As a result of these orders, the production capacity of the small Defense Holding quickly reached its limits. However, the orders keep coming, and the competition doesn't sleep. Mesko is already working on its own anti-tank grenade launcher.

Therefore, Niewiadów Precision Equipment Plant had to immediately increase its production capacity and hire new employees. The latter has been a problem in Poland for a few years now - there is simply a shortage of workers.

Ironically, the economic crisis revealed this to an unprecedented extent, and contrary to fears, unemployment did not rise. In fact, it revealed how much labor was lacking. Fortunately, the first source of labor emerged, the Borderlands.

There were a lot of unemployed people in the Borderlands, both in cities and villages. Of course, there weren't as many as employers would have wanted because unemployment in those regions of the Second Polish Republic was the lowest. Nevertheless, they provided a necessary injection of manpower.

The second source were immigrants and re-immigrants. The former refers to foreigners from other countries looking for work, such as Czechs, Lithuanians, Latvians, Norwegians, Jews, Romanians, and so on. Many of them would have eventually gone to America, but here in Poland, the ticket is much cheaper, and their families are much closer.

The latter refers to various kinds of Poles who left the country before September 17, 1938, in search of work because there wasn't enough in Poland, and the government itself encouraged it. Now, it's the opposite — there is plenty of work, and employers themselves quickly started organizing and seeking these Poles to bring them back.

They weren't going to wait for the government to do something; it's always too busy and slow.

Kraszewski himself was one of those who independently started searching for workers abroad. He could afford it because money was flowing into the company like a river, allowing him to take such actions.

It's worth mentioning that he was one of those who, instead of constantly complaining about everything, decided to take matters into his own hands. Did the Polish Army need a Polish and domestic anti-tank grenade launcher?

He left the army, took charge of the defense holding, obtained a license for RPG-75 from Czechoslovakia, launched production in the country, and pulled the strings to get the Armament Agency to order this weapon. The event simply eliminated all competition. Can it be done? Yes, it can.

It's not rocket science; it's simply stating the matter as it should be done. Moreover, all signs indicate that more and more people are starting to act similarly to Kraszewski, i.e., organizing from the bottom up and substituting for the state where it fails to cope.

One could say it's about time. It's a pity that it took the complete collapse of the previous world as the necessary factor to awaken the Poles instead of collective complaining and waiting.

But let's get back to RPG-75, what is it?

It is a Czechoslovak-designed weapon, essentially a contemporary of Komar-1. However, besides their purpose, they are completely different constructions.

RPG-76 is a very lightweight weapon, weighing less than half a kilogram, although it is longer than its Czech counterpart. Another difference is that it is a rocket launcher, not a recoilless launcher like RPG-75. An interesting fact is that it can be used in enclosed spaces or inside vehicles, thanks to the nozzles between the rocket and the fuel chamber.

RPG-75, on the other hand, is smaller but much wider. While the Polish launcher is more of an original concept, the Czech one is based on the M72 LAW, which made it easy for the military to transition to this weapon. However, the most important difference lies in the power of the grenade, which is more powerful than the Komar rocket, although the Komar itself can deliver a significant blow.

However, the Czech launcher is much more expensive, which is why only the Polish Army buys it, and only because they recently phased out the Komar and have no intention of returning to it. This has led to everyone buying Komar left and right, making it popular worldwide.

Nevertheless, Kraszewski was not planning to rest on his laurels. He wanted to immediately turn his armament success into the foundation for a larger company and a bigger holding. Not only to produce more launchers and ammunition but also to enter other defense sectors. He already had a few ideas, but he needed to conduct a few surveys before realizing them.

Currently, he was working on a certain project, not very flashy, but you have to start somewhere, right?

Suddenly, his contemplations at work were interrupted by a phone call. A quick glance revealed that it was a trusted person calling. A colleague from the Army.

"Hello?" he asked.

"Jarek, the top gives the green light. Do it," a firm masculine voice replied.

"I understand, thanks," Kraszewski replied, and the caller disconnected after a brief farewell.

The ex-general smiled, minimized the current file, and then searched for another one on his desktop. Once he found it, he opened his email, wrote the appropriate message, and attached the corresponding file, the one titled MP-23, before sending it all.

So, what was this MP-23? It was an acronym referring to Mina Przeciwpiechotnia wzór. 23 (Anti-Infantry Mine, Model 23). Kraszewski quickly recalled the Mine Ban Treaty, which he considered idiotic, had disappeared. Therefore, he promptly decided to seize this opportunity to design and produce new anti-infantry mines.

In the face of Bolshevism, every trick comes in handy, and mines are a cheap and simple weapon capable of slowing down anyone for a long time, especially the Soviets. He also knew that no one in the world had mine detectors except for Poland, so it would be a much more annoying obstacle for them than for the Poles.

Combined with the fence being built on the border, it would provide security and buy significant time against any Soviet offensive. This is exactly what Poland needs most at the moment.
 

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Civilian sales will also bring in a lot of money for Poland given the much better gun laws Europe had and the significant quality increase in ammunition.
 
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RPG75 is nice and dandy,but we have some koreans AT missile launchers,too.Forget name,but certainly capable of destroing heavier tanks.
And,plans from other countries,too
Our special forces use Carl Gustaw,why not made them ?

Mines - i read aboust some IFV created to made minefields quiskly.Kroton,i think.

AT missiles withe better range - could we copy Javelins,or swedish Bill ? both should be in Poland.

P.S And made thermobaric warheads for everytching! even assault rifles ! :)
 
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RPG75 is nice and dandy,but we have some koreans AT missile launchers,too.Forget name,but certainly capable of destroing heavier tanks.
The RPG-75 penetrates more than 330 millimeters of armored steel. With this, you can pierce older British battleships such as the Warspite. And no, we don't have anything Korean in the field of anti-tank weaponry accepted in the state.

Our special forces use Carl Gustaw,why not made them ?
Because we don't produce them, we don't have production lines? And RPG-75s actually fill this niche as AT recoilless weapons. It would have been better to pull out a similar communist-era launcher that paratroopers had in limited numbers.

Mines - i read aboust some IFV created to made minefields quiskly.Kroton,i think.
No need, Baobab is enough.

AT missiles withe better range - could we copy Javelins,or swedish Bill ? both should be in Poland.
We have Spike and Pirat. That is, the top solutions of this type.
 

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