ISOT Back to the Past, aka Poland Saves the World from World War II.

Batrix2070

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It will be interesting to see what equipment intended for Ukraine was brought along in Poland. I imagine that a lot of military and humanitarian aid, overt and covert, is being shipped in from Poland.
I'm guessing quite a bit, enough that I can conjure up more of this or that for myself if need be. And even equipment we never bought but someone donated to Ukraine.
Their main problem was method of making new units - in Poland we first created companies,then battalions,then regiments,and only after that we have new dyvision.
Well, we're talking about an army that didn't make its posts more realistic and was able to just make up out of its ass that it wants 1,000 tanks but without adequate facilities for them. We would have been able to do it with the experience we gained from the tankettes. A good example is the R38 battalion we bought from France. In two months we put it on its feet and prepared it for combat. It took the Czechs much longer to embrace their tanks from scratch.
As a result,from 4 light dyvision/mix of motorized infrantry,calvary and tanks/ only one was fully operational in 1938.
Actually, not a single one. These "divisions" had less combat power than one of our armored-motor brigades. The ranks of these units were heavily fictitious and wishful thinking, and this was the scourge of the entire Czech army of that period. At the end of the day, they would come up with such cretinism as de-forming peacetime units for the duration of the war in order to carve out three infantry divisions from one. Which, of course, destroyed organizational unity and hampered indirect operations. The Czechoslovak Army was either peacetime or wartime. Nothing in between.
But AA sucked,too
Very, it was the Achilles heel of their army. All of our AA defense resembled normal, in theirs. Machine guns, hand-loaded cannons, or territorial attachment of regiments by making them unable to defend land units.
And AT.they have good AT guns,but just like we in 1939,do not used it properly.
Actually, in terms of organization, we beat the Czechs in every area, as far as the military is concerned. We simply lacked the proper industrial base to take advantage of it.
You are right.Author could gave Poland at least 20 modern tanks that way,not counting other weapons.
More, I can conjure up as much as I need. The 50 German Leo2s they promised Ukraine? I can consider that they were late, as usual, and only managed to send them to Poland in September.
 
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ATP

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I'm guessing quite a bit, enough that I can conjure up more of this or that for myself if need be. And even equipment we never bought but someone donated to Ukraine.

Well, we're talking about an army that didn't make its posts more realistic and was able to just make up out of its ass that it wants 1,000 tanks but without adequate facilities for them. We would have been able to do it with the experience we gained from the tankettes. A good example is the R38 battalion we bought from France. In two months we put it on its feet and prepared it for combat. It took the Czechs much longer to embrace their tanks from scratch.

Actually, not a single one. These "divisions" had less combat power than one of our armored-motor brigades. The ranks of these units were heavily fictitious and wishful thinking, and this was the scourge of the entire Czech army of that period. At the end of the day, they would come up with such cretinism as de-forming peacetime units for the duration of the war in order to carve out three infantry divisions from one. Which, of course, destroyed organizational unity and hampered indirect operations. The Czechoslovak Army was either peacetime or wartime. Nothing in between.

Very, it was the Achilles heel of their army. All of our AA defense resembled normal, in theirs. Machine guns, hand-loaded cannons, or territorial attachment of regiments by making them unable to defend land units.

Actually, in terms of organization, we beat the Czechs in every area, as far as the military is concerned. We simply lacked the proper industrial base to take advantage of it.

More, I can conjure up as much as I need. The 50 German Leo2s they promised Ukraine? I can consider that they were late, as usual, and only managed to send them to Poland in September.
1.You could take half of anything send in first half of 2023 year.
2.Well,it was R.35 and they run to Romania without fighting,but you are right.
3.Idiots.Pity,that they do not choose to fight,it would be embarassing.
4.France,according to what i read,made similar mistake with their fighters - they covered some territory,but could not be send to other.
5.We should add AT guns on dyvision/brigades level,not regiment/battalions.And send half of them to calvary - they were used to slow tanks after all.
6.Well,you could use almost everytching send in 2023 till change happened.
 

Orangeduke38

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You are right.Author could gave Poland at least 20 modern tanks that way,not counting other weapons.
Actually, he could add a considerable bit more since the Ukrainians are training on a lot of the new heavy equipment in Poland, they might actually give you problems with wanting to go liberate their grandparents from the Soviets. After the Holodomor I imagine they would find plenty of local support. The Americans and Brits in Poland training Ukrainians would be another potential problem if the Germans and Soviets invade and kill those soldiers. Museums would also serve as a source of limited numbers of tanks and other equipment. How would modern civilian aircraft like a Cessna stack up against some of the fighters used in 1939 if it was militarized? Even if you just added a couple .50s it might be able to surpass existing Soviet fighters.
 
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ATP

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Actually, he could add a considerable bit more since the Ukrainians are training on a lot of the new heavy equipment in Poland, they might actually give you problems with wanting to go liberate their grandparents from the Soviets. After the Holodomor I imagine they would find plenty of local support. The Americans and Brits in Poland training Ukrainians would be another potential problem if the Germans and Soviets invade and kill those soldiers. Museums would also serve as a source of limited numbers of tanks and other equipment. How would modern civilian aircraft like a Cessna stack up against some of the fighters used in 1939 if it was militarized? Even if you just added a couple .50s it might be able to surpass existing Soviet fighters.
Those ukrainian soldier would want our lands,too.Especially Lwów.
But,we could just take it by force.
Cessna - soviet I.16 was 450km/h fast and have 4 HMG.
So,it could work.
 

Batrix2070

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Actually, he could add a considerable bit more since the Ukrainians are training on a lot of the new heavy equipment in Poland, they might actually give you problems with wanting to go liberate their grandparents from the Soviets.
Yes, such a corps composed of Ukrainians training in Poland, as well as those living here, will be formed. I even have a name for them, Ukraińska Państwowa Armia (Ukrainian State Army).
After the Holodomor I imagine they would find plenty of local support.
Of course, they will welcome anyone to free them from this nightmare. And Poland has no reason not to come to their aid.
The Americans and Brits in Poland training Ukrainians would be another potential problem if the Germans and Soviets invade and kill those soldiers.
It depends, those rather if they do not want to join the Polish Foreign Legion, they will return to past versions of their countries. Of course, these countries will gladly welcome them as part of their acquisition of invaluable knowledge. With the obvious fact that the only thing they will take with them is their documents, uniform and at most a pistol. Poland has no reason to return military equipment.
Museums would also serve as a source of limited numbers of tanks and other equipment.
Not very, well unless for the T-55 such an exception. Well, and for propaganda. The Soviets throw their IS-2 to the front or KV-1 and do beautiful tricks then fly out of the hands of the Polish IS-2, the conqueror of Berlin. (A couple of these sit in Polish museums in Polish markings).
How would modern civilian aircraft like a Cessna stack up against some of the fighters used in 1939 if it was militarized?
Cessna in our country is not produced or flown much. With that said, one would rather design and build a retro-fighter from scratch as a typical fighter for the military than rearm civilian ones. Of course, there is an exception for one costruction, the PZL-106 Kruk, a Polish agricultural aircraft that I want to convert into a military bomber/strike aircraft otherwise CAS.
Rather, primarily the Polish PZL.P7 and PZL. P11c will be upgraded to a modern standard.
Even if you just added a couple .50s it might be able to surpass existing Soviet fighters.
Poland does not produce .50s but 12.7mm with the rifle which is such a basic heavy is a copy of the Soviet NSW, called WKM-B in Poland. And there are various development versions of it including one multi-barrel. But in general you are right, moreover, the Soviet aviation of World War II was extremely inept. Nevertheless, no one is in that much of a hurry so you can wait for a new design.
 

ATP

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Yes, such a corps composed of Ukrainians training in Poland, as well as those living here, will be formed. I even have a name for them, Ukraińska Państwowa Armia (Ukrainian State Army).

Of course, they will welcome anyone to free them from this nightmare. And Poland has no reason not to come to their aid.

It depends, those rather if they do not want to join the Polish Foreign Legion, they will return to past versions of their countries. Of course, these countries will gladly welcome them as part of their acquisition of invaluable knowledge. With the obvious fact that the only thing they will take with them is their documents, uniform and at most a pistol. Poland has no reason to return military equipment.

Not very, well unless for the T-55 such an exception. Well, and for propaganda. The Soviets throw their IS-2 to the front or KV-1 and do beautiful tricks then fly out of the hands of the Polish IS-2, the conqueror of Berlin. (A couple of these sit in Polish museums in Polish markings).

Cessna in our country is not produced or flown much. With that said, one would rather design and build a retro-fighter from scratch as a typical fighter for the military than rearm civilian ones. Of course, there is an exception for one costruction, the PZL-106 Kruk, a Polish agricultural aircraft that I want to convert into a military bomber/strike aircraft otherwise CAS.
Rather, primarily the Polish PZL.P7 and PZL. P11c will be upgraded to a modern standard.

Poland does not produce .50s but 12.7mm with the rifle which is such a basic heavy is a copy of the Soviet NSW, called WKM-B in Poland. And there are various development versions of it including one multi-barrel. But in general you are right, moreover, the Soviet aviation of World War II was extremely inept. Nevertheless, no one is in that much of a hurry so you can wait for a new design.
1.If Poland form such corp from ukrainian,first thing they do would be taking Lwów from us.We are taking about people,who are making monuments of UPA genociders when they fight Moscov with Poland help.
Better take all their weapons.

2.Not only Ukraine,sralin genocided everybody.In Kazachstan even worst then on Ukraine.That is why germans so easily almost win in 1941 - almost everybody welcomed them.
But they must show their typical german face,and people started to wait for commies....

3.Add sabers,if they have them.

4.We do not have any soviet tank from 1938.Closer thing are T.34.76 and T.70.
So,we could not pretrend to be soviets.Sorry.

5.P.11 with stronger engine - such thing existed,it was P.24.
Problem is - it was obsolate in 1939,so there is no sense in doing so.
Maybe some cyvilian plane from 2023 is better idea.

6.Yes,we have F.5 and engines for Mig 21.If somebody have plans for F.20,even better.
To be honest,i do not think that producing anything but jets as fighter have any sense now - making manufacture for,let say,Spitfire would not take much more time then for Mig 17 and later F5.
 

Batrix2070

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1.If Poland form such corp from ukrainian,first thing they do would be taking Lwów from us.We are taking about people,who are making monuments of UPA genociders when they fight Moscov with Poland help.
ATP, with all due respect but stop. This is just your opinion, based on paranoia rather than a true picture of relations. Yes, certainly Ukrainians would invade Lviv and demand to give it back, at a time when the only country that can realistically help them create a Free Ukraine is Poland.
4.We do not have any soviet tank from 1938.Closer thing are T.34.76 and T.70.
So,we could not pretrend to be soviets.Sorry.
The problem is that the war will break out years later, when the Soviets already have the right machines. As well as me, it was about making a mockery of the Soviets, showing that their super secret weapon, is actually a Polish museum exhibit.
5.P.11 with stronger engine - such thing existed,it was P.24.
Problem is - it was obsolate in 1939,so there is no sense in doing so.
We are talking about the war with the Soviets and the cost/effect relationship. On them any machine will come in handy, the P.11 version of the P.11h Kobuz II, will still render considerable services.
6.Yes,we have F.5 and engines for Mig 21.If somebody have plans for F.20,even better.
To be honest,i do not think that producing anything but jets as fighter have any sense now - making manufacture for,let say,Spitfire would not take much more time then for Mig 17 and later F5.
Jets will take some time, much more than such a propeller aircraft and later such propeller aircraft can be sold for export without any problems. Rather, we have enough elements to put together a multirole machine from the F-16 and Lim-5, but it will take longer than a propeller plane.
 

ATP

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ATP, with all due respect but stop. This is just your opinion, based on paranoia rather than a true picture of relations. Yes, certainly Ukrainians would invade Lviv and demand to give it back, at a time when the only country that can realistically help them create a Free Ukraine is Poland.

The problem is that the war will break out years later, when the Soviets already have the right machines. As well as me, it was about making a mockery of the Soviets, showing that their super secret weapon, is actually a Polish museum exhibit.

We are talking about the war with the Soviets and the cost/effect relationship. On them any machine will come in handy, the P.11 version of the P.11h Kobuz II, will still render considerable services.

Jets will take some time, much more than such a propeller aircraft and later such propeller aircraft can be sold for export without any problems. Rather, we have enough elements to put together a multirole machine from the F-16 and Lim-5, but it will take longer than a propeller plane.
1.I wish you are right,BUT...Ukraine get invaded,need our help,and still have money for UPA monuments - and do not agree to made honest burial for polish victims of UPA.
In 1938,they have UPA who was fighting Poland - as german lackeys.
Are you sure,that they do not decide to ally with germans again?

2.Well,if we use it to mock them later,then OK.

3.P.11g Kobuz could be produced - in 1938 Mielec.Which was send to 2023,and could be made for polish army there.
Poland from 2023 do not have machines for that - so,it is better to produce sometching better ,like for example Spitfire - we should have one in museum,engine ,too.

4.OK,we need not only jets,you are right.But - not P.11g.
Why not A.37 Dragonfly? we get one from Vietnam with F.5.Good enough for all fighters till 1945.
 

Batrix2070

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Why not A.37 Dragonfly? we get one from Vietnam with F.5.Good enough for all fighters till 1945.
Because we don't have plans for it? It would already be much better to recreate the Lim-6bis production line.
and do not agree to made honest burial for polish victims of UPA.
As far as I know, their resistance is being broken. They have already expressed preliminary agreement to do it. Now there are simply fierce discussions going on behind the scenes.
Are you sure,that they do not decide to ally with germans again?
Yes, why do they need Germany, which is not only stained with blood, but on top of that it is being tamed and the average Ukrainian well remembers modern German aid?
3.P.11g Kobuz could be produced - in 1938 Mielec.Which was send to 2023,and could be made for polish army there.
Poland from 2023 do not have machines for that - so,it is better to produce sometching better ,like for example Spitfire - we should have one in museum,engine ,too.
The idea is to modernize them and make logistics easier by doing so. You can't just throw away a few dozen aircraft that are still useful, especially since numbers are important in a war with the Soviets. Hence the creation of a new version of the P.11, the P.11h Kobuz II, which is a P.11 rearmed with a new engine, armament and new electronics. Such an improved version will be much more useful than any civilian aircraft, because it is still a thoroughbred fighter.

Let me remind you, the USSR air force during the Second World War, was the worst air force of the war. The Kobuz II will cut down Yaks, Ils and other scraps like a combine harvester.
 
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Because we don't have plans for it? It would already be much better to recreate the Lim-6bis production line.

As far as I know, their resistance is being broken. They have already expressed preliminary agreement to do it. Now there are simply fierce discussions going on behind the scenes.

Yes, why do they need Germany, which is not only stained with blood, but on top of that it is being tamed and the average Ukrainian well remembers modern German aid?

The idea is to modernize them and make logistics easier by doing so. You can't just throw away a few dozen aircraft that are still useful, especially since numbers are important in a war with the Soviets. Hence the creation of a new version of the P.11, the P.11h Kobuz II, which is a P.11 rearmed with a new engine, armament and new electronics. Such an improved version will be much more useful than any civilian aircraft, because it is still a thoroughbred fighter.

Let me remind you, the USSR air force during the Second World War, was the worst air force of the war. The Kobuz II will cut down Yaks, Ils and other scraps like a combine harvester.
1.You have a point.Do we have plans for Lim 6?
2.Resistance supposed to be broken year ago,when soviets besieged Kiev.Nothing happened the,so why they should care when they are winning,when they do not cared in situation when Putin almost take Kiev?
3.Becouse theit god Bandera was Hitler agent,and Hitler,at least,was capable of winning for some time?
To be honest,if Hitler from 1938 made deal with Sralin and attacked Poland from 2023 - they could win.
We have only 4 modern dyvisions,after all.
And,as comrade sralin said,numbers do matter.

4.You have a point - if we have plans for P.11.If not,and we would use museum planes as example,then Spitfire is better.
Or any other plane from WW2 we have.

Soviet air forces - you are right,but it is only becouse their training sucked.Maybe sralin learn and start training seriously? in OTL it happened - AFTER WW2.
As a result,During Korean war,soviets on Mig 15 schoot more american planes then lost theirs.
 
General Franco

Batrix2070

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October 18, 1938
State of Spain


"General? Someone important is here to see you," Ivan Ivanovich Ivanov, a White Russian fighting on the side of the rebels against the despised communists, spoke up.

Stanisław Bułak-Bałachowicz paused his writing and looked at his adjutant. "Who is it?"

"Someone from this new Poland, requesting an urgent meeting," Ivan explained.

"Let him in."

Ivan nodded and invited a tall man in an officer's uniform into the office.

"General!" the man exclaimed, saluting as he entered, displaying an eagle on his dark green beret. From the insignia on his shoulder straps, Bulak immediately recognized the officer as a lieutenant colonel. Although he was not wearing the familiar rogatywka cap, his dark green beret bore the distinctive Polish military eagle with a crown. In addition, he wore various decorations, some of which Bulak recognized, while others were completely unfamiliar to him.

On the left sleeve of his jacket, he wore the coat of arms of Poland, while on the right were two patches—one with the name Agat and the other depicting an eagle diving into a circle, which turned out to be the letter "G" with the letter "S" inscribed inside, resembling a lightning bolt. Bulak immediately surmised that it was the symbol of the unit to which the officer belonged.

Bułak stood and nodded before shaking the extended hand. "Welcome, Colonel..." he glanced at the badge on the jacket, "Białas. What brings you here?"

"The same thing that brings you here—to fight the Bolsheviks in every form, as they are your greatest enemy today," Białas replied, quoting a well-known Polish anti-communist song.

Bułak raised an eyebrow at the response. "Interesting poetry. I hope to hear the entire piece. Nonetheless, may I know the exact reason for your presence?"

"Indeed, this song perfectly captures the purpose of my visit," Białas explained. "On behalf of the President and Prime Minister of Poland, I have come here to establish contact with you in order to create a channel for military and humanitarian assistance to the nationalists, to help combat communist influence."

Bułak nodded. "Fascinating. A democratic government, I presume, wants to send aid to an undemocratic dictator, while undemocratic Poland, though neutral, still supported the republicans. It sounds quite ironic."

Białas shook his head. "General, you know very well what kind of democracy those republicans represent. It is just a facade for their totalitarian ambitions in the name of a deranged ideology."

Bułak couldn't disagree. During the past few months since his arrival, he had become well acquainted with the true nature of the republicans. It reminded him too much of his native Lithuania* after the Bolsheviks arrived to spread communism.

Murders, rapes, robberies, and blasphemies—there was no sanctity that these barbarians did not trample upon. In many ways, they had even surpassed the Bolsheviks.

"I understand, so should I whisper the appropriate words to General Franco to establish the necessary channels of assistance?" Bułak asked.

"That's right, the sooner, the better," Białas replied. "Especially since, from what I know, a fierce battle is raging at the Ebro. We can help bring it to a quicker end and thus reduce the losses for the nationalists."

"So you can provide immediate assistance?" Bułak was amazed.

"Yes," Białas agreed. "Equipment, ammunition, medicine, food, and above all," he tapped the shield-shaped patch on his right sleeve, "people."

Bułak particularly took note of the last part. "I was just about to ask, what is Agat?"

Białas smiled wider, almost psychotically. "General, AGAT is a military unit that is part of the special forces. Our tasks include supporting other special forces units in operations, training soldiers in irregular warfare, and above all, conducting covert operations in the enemy's rear area under the motto of 'find and destroy.'"

Bułak raised an eyebrow and nodded with satisfaction. It sounded intriguing, as he himself led a similar unit. He was curious about what the Agat soldiers could teach him and his men.

"Our patron is General Stefan Rowecki, codename Grot," Białas continued, and Bułak reached into his memory. He had the impression that he had heard that name before. "And we have two mottos: 'For the strong and brave' or my personal favorite," here the smile returned in a defiant style, "Strength and Fire! After us, only ashes!"

"Strength and Fire?" Bułak repeated. "After us, only ashes." He nodded approvingly before adding, "I like it."

Białas, seeing that he had gained the general's recognition and favor, was satisfied. He wouldn't have to wait long for results.

A few hours later
General Franco's Headquarters


It was a simply furnished but neatly arranged office, in a military style. Białas waited for the next move, while General Bułak was already leaving the office. After a moment, the doors closed with a dull thud, leaving him alone with the renowned General Franco.

The man examined him once again from head to toe before gesturing with his hand to indicate a comfortable chair. "Please have a seat, Colonel. We have a long conversation ahead of us."

"I hope it will be a military one. Time is ticking, and there is still a long way to victory in the war," Białas replied, settling comfortably in the chair.

Franco smiled. "I hope so too." Then, becoming serious, he asked, "Alright, what do you offer in return?"

"I'm listening," Białas responded, surprised. "Since you wanted it straight to the point, here it is. I'm asking about the price upfront so that I know what to expect," Franco replied bluntly.

"Understood," Białas replied. "It is not excessive; in fact, it consists of four points."

"Please go ahead and present them," Franco instructed.

"They are as follows: access to natural resource extraction in Spanish Africa," Franco raised an eyebrow, "privileged access to the Spanish market for post-war reconstruction," the general pondered, realizing the potential benefits, "volunteers to fight against the Soviets," he had no major objections to that, considering what they had done in Spain; Poland's assistance against the Soviets could be a good deal, "and above all, cutting off all contact with the Third Reich."

At the mention of the last point, Franco almost stood up, but he stopped himself just in time. "Could you repeat the last one?"

Białas complied, and Franco fell into deep thought. It could be... somewhat problematic. While the German contribution, although not as significant as the Italian one, was still useful. However, he could use this situation to his advantage, just like with each of these points. In fact, with the right approach, each of them could become an opportunity for Spain.

"Do you realize what you're asking?" the Spaniard asked the Pole.

The Pole shrugged. "That we help you avoid paying for German assistance?"

Franco's eyes gleamed, a glimmer that Białas immediately noticed. The Spaniard took the bait.

"That sounds interesting," the Spaniard began. "However, I cannot simply ask them to leave. They are an important element in winning this war."

"General, we understand that perfectly," Białas replied. "Our intention is rather to thank the Germans in such a way that they have to kiss the doorknob."

The Spaniard quickly caught on to what the Pole meant. They wanted to exploit the Germans to the maximum and then, when the Germans demanded payment, play dumb and tell them to get lost. In the end, it wouldn't cost him anything, and he had already planned to distance himself from the Germans as much as possible. Polish assistance in this matter would be helpful. At the same time, he would be doing a considerable favor to the Polish side.

Killing two, or perhaps even three, birds with one stone.

"I understand," Franco replied. "It can be arranged."

The Pole grinned mischievously, and Franco went along with it.

Then, the Spaniard returned to the first point. "Alright, can I know more precisely what resources Poland is interested in? And why specifically in Western Sahara?" This was the most crucial point for Franco; he was familiar with the region and its resources. It's not surprising since a significant part of his career was spent in Spanish Africa.

The Pole paused. He wondered if he should inform Franco about it now or try to evade the question. Ultimately, he concluded that there was no point in beating around the bush.

"We're interested in oil and natural gas near Cape Bojador, from what we know. Recently, in our times, deposits of these resources have been discovered there," Franco explained.

Franco was astonished. "Are you serious?"

"Yes," Białas agreed. "That's why we want access to those deposits, both underwater and in the desert."

Franco nodded slowly. It was incredibly intriguing. It was a shame they hadn't discovered it themselves! On the other hand, the Polish proposal saved them time and money on exploring those deposits. With the right agreement, it would allow the Spaniards to familiarize themselves with modern extraction techniques.

"I understand. So, along the coast of Western Sahara and in the Sahara itself, besides phosphates, there are deposits of oil and gas," Franco summarized.

"If it could be helpful, in exchange for exclusive access to extraction in Western Sahara, we can provide information on the locations of these resources in Spanish Morocco," Białas added.

Franco looked at the colonel. It was a... quite a proposal. Giving up the Saharan deposits to the Poles in exchange for those in Morocco.

"I understand," Franco said slowly. "Let's say for now that I have no issues with this proposal," he informed the Pole.

"I understand. We can discuss the details in a more professional setting," Białas replied. "I believe Minister Rau would better present our proposal in this regard."

Franco wondered whom he was referring to, and then he remembered that it was about that bald man. Salazar had mentioned him. Although Rau himself bypassed Spain, he talked about it in Portugal. Even then, he indicated that Poland was interested in cooperating with Franco.

"I agree with you. Such matters should be discussed in a better forum," Franco replied. "Alright, let's move on to the third point. There's no need to mention the second point within our group. How many volunteers would Poland like precisely?"

"If I were a diplomat, I would say as many as Spain can safely send," Białas began. "But I'm not a diplomat, so I'll say at least one division, although if possible, we would prefer a corps."

Franco pondered. Sending a corps was not a problem. There were enough people, although equipment might be more challenging. Although he suspected that the Poles would find a way even in that regard.

"I understand. You would prefer a corps," Franco started. "A corps can be arranged." In fact, he had no objections. It would occupy some of the veterans and allow them to familiarize themselves with modern equipment and organization.

"Alright, do you have any questions, General?" Białas asked, pleased with the overall course of the conversation.

"Yes," Franco replied. "General Bułak mentioned that you would provide food, medicine, ammunition, and equipment. Can I know what exactly?"

Białas smiled.

*He means the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, or Lithuania plus Belarus. For him, they are one and the same.
 

ATP

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October 18, 1938
State of Spain


"General? Someone important is here to see you," Ivan Ivanovich Ivanov, a White Russian fighting on the side of the rebels against the despised communists, spoke up.

Stanisław Bułak-Bałachowicz paused his writing and looked at his adjutant. "Who is it?"

"Someone from this new Poland, requesting an urgent meeting," Ivan explained.

"Let him in."

Ivan nodded and invited a tall man in an officer's uniform into the office.

"General!" the man exclaimed, saluting as he entered, displaying an eagle on his dark green beret. From the insignia on his shoulder straps, Bulak immediately recognized the officer as a lieutenant colonel. Although he was not wearing the familiar rogatywka cap, his dark green beret bore the distinctive Polish military eagle with a crown. In addition, he wore various decorations, some of which Bulak recognized, while others were completely unfamiliar to him.

On the left sleeve of his jacket, he wore the coat of arms of Poland, while on the right were two patches—one with the name Agat and the other depicting an eagle diving into a circle, which turned out to be the letter "G" with the letter "S" inscribed inside, resembling a lightning bolt. Bulak immediately surmised that it was the symbol of the unit to which the officer belonged.

Bułak stood and nodded before shaking the extended hand. "Welcome, Colonel..." he glanced at the badge on the jacket, "Białas. What brings you here?"

"The same thing that brings you here—to fight the Bolsheviks in every form, as they are your greatest enemy today," Białas replied, quoting a well-known Polish anti-communist song.

Bułak raised an eyebrow at the response. "Interesting poetry. I hope to hear the entire piece. Nonetheless, may I know the exact reason for your presence?"

"Indeed, this song perfectly captures the purpose of my visit," Białas explained. "On behalf of the President and Prime Minister of Poland, I have come here to establish contact with you in order to create a channel for military and humanitarian assistance to the nationalists, to help combat communist influence."

Bułak nodded. "Fascinating. A democratic government, I presume, wants to send aid to an undemocratic dictator, while undemocratic Poland, though neutral, still supported the republicans. It sounds quite ironic."

Białas shook his head. "General, you know very well what kind of democracy those republicans represent. It is just a facade for their totalitarian ambitions in the name of a deranged ideology."

Bułak couldn't disagree. During the past few months since his arrival, he had become well acquainted with the true nature of the republicans. It reminded him too much of his native Lithuania* after the Bolsheviks arrived to spread communism.

Murders, rapes, robberies, and blasphemies—there was no sanctity that these barbarians did not trample upon. In many ways, they had even surpassed the Bolsheviks.

"I understand, so should I whisper the appropriate words to General Franco to establish the necessary channels of assistance?" Bułak asked.

"That's right, the sooner, the better," Białas replied. "Especially since, from what I know, a fierce battle is raging at the Ebro. We can help bring it to a quicker end and thus reduce the losses for the nationalists."

"So you can provide immediate assistance?" Bułak was amazed.

"Yes," Białas agreed. "Equipment, ammunition, medicine, food, and above all," he tapped the shield-shaped patch on his right sleeve, "people."

Bułak particularly took note of the last part. "I was just about to ask, what is Agat?"

Białas smiled wider, almost psychotically. "General, AGAT is a military unit that is part of the special forces. Our tasks include supporting other special forces units in operations, training soldiers in irregular warfare, and above all, conducting covert operations in the enemy's rear area under the motto of 'find and destroy.'"

Bułak raised an eyebrow and nodded with satisfaction. It sounded intriguing, as he himself led a similar unit. He was curious about what the Agat soldiers could teach him and his men.

"Our patron is General Stefan Rowecki, codename Grot," Białas continued, and Bułak reached into his memory. He had the impression that he had heard that name before. "And we have two mottos: 'For the strong and brave' or my personal favorite," here the smile returned in a defiant style, "Strength and Fire! After us, only ashes!"

"Strength and Fire?" Bułak repeated. "After us, only ashes." He nodded approvingly before adding, "I like it."

Białas, seeing that he had gained the general's recognition and favor, was satisfied. He wouldn't have to wait long for results.

A few hours later
General Franco's Headquarters


It was a simply furnished but neatly arranged office, in a military style. Białas waited for the next move, while General Bułak was already leaving the office. After a moment, the doors closed with a dull thud, leaving him alone with the renowned General Franco.

The man examined him once again from head to toe before gesturing with his hand to indicate a comfortable chair. "Please have a seat, Colonel. We have a long conversation ahead of us."

"I hope it will be a military one. Time is ticking, and there is still a long way to victory in the war," Białas replied, settling comfortably in the chair.

Franco smiled. "I hope so too." Then, becoming serious, he asked, "Alright, what do you offer in return?"

"I'm listening," Białas responded, surprised. "Since you wanted it straight to the point, here it is. I'm asking about the price upfront so that I know what to expect," Franco replied bluntly.

"Understood," Białas replied. "It is not excessive; in fact, it consists of four points."

"Please go ahead and present them," Franco instructed.

"They are as follows: access to natural resource extraction in Spanish Africa," Franco raised an eyebrow, "privileged access to the Spanish market for post-war reconstruction," the general pondered, realizing the potential benefits, "volunteers to fight against the Soviets," he had no major objections to that, considering what they had done in Spain; Poland's assistance against the Soviets could be a good deal, "and above all, cutting off all contact with the Third Reich."

At the mention of the last point, Franco almost stood up, but he stopped himself just in time. "Could you repeat the last one?"

Białas complied, and Franco fell into deep thought. It could be... somewhat problematic. While the German contribution, although not as significant as the Italian one, was still useful. However, he could use this situation to his advantage, just like with each of these points. In fact, with the right approach, each of them could become an opportunity for Spain.

"Do you realize what you're asking?" the Spaniard asked the Pole.

The Pole shrugged. "That we help you avoid paying for German assistance?"

Franco's eyes gleamed, a glimmer that Białas immediately noticed. The Spaniard took the bait.

"That sounds interesting," the Spaniard began. "However, I cannot simply ask them to leave. They are an important element in winning this war."

"General, we understand that perfectly," Białas replied. "Our intention is rather to thank the Germans in such a way that they have to kiss the doorknob."

The Spaniard quickly caught on to what the Pole meant. They wanted to exploit the Germans to the maximum and then, when the Germans demanded payment, play dumb and tell them to get lost. In the end, it wouldn't cost him anything, and he had already planned to distance himself from the Germans as much as possible. Polish assistance in this matter would be helpful. At the same time, he would be doing a considerable favor to the Polish side.

Killing two, or perhaps even three, birds with one stone.

"I understand," Franco replied. "It can be arranged."

The Pole grinned mischievously, and Franco went along with it.

Then, the Spaniard returned to the first point. "Alright, can I know more precisely what resources Poland is interested in? And why specifically in Western Sahara?" This was the most crucial point for Franco; he was familiar with the region and its resources. It's not surprising since a significant part of his career was spent in Spanish Africa.

The Pole paused. He wondered if he should inform Franco about it now or try to evade the question. Ultimately, he concluded that there was no point in beating around the bush.

"We're interested in oil and natural gas near Cape Bojador, from what we know. Recently, in our times, deposits of these resources have been discovered there," Franco explained.

Franco was astonished. "Are you serious?"

"Yes," Białas agreed. "That's why we want access to those deposits, both underwater and in the desert."

Franco nodded slowly. It was incredibly intriguing. It was a shame they hadn't discovered it themselves! On the other hand, the Polish proposal saved them time and money on exploring those deposits. With the right agreement, it would allow the Spaniards to familiarize themselves with modern extraction techniques.

"I understand. So, along the coast of Western Sahara and in the Sahara itself, besides phosphates, there are deposits of oil and gas," Franco summarized.

"If it could be helpful, in exchange for exclusive access to extraction in Western Sahara, we can provide information on the locations of these resources in Spanish Morocco," Białas added.

Franco looked at the colonel. It was a... quite a proposal. Giving up the Saharan deposits to the Poles in exchange for those in Morocco.

"I understand," Franco said slowly. "Let's say for now that I have no issues with this proposal," he informed the Pole.

"I understand. We can discuss the details in a more professional setting," Białas replied. "I believe Minister Rau would better present our proposal in this regard."

Franco wondered whom he was referring to, and then he remembered that it was about that bald man. Salazar had mentioned him. Although Rau himself bypassed Spain, he talked about it in Portugal. Even then, he indicated that Poland was interested in cooperating with Franco.

"I agree with you. Such matters should be discussed in a better forum," Franco replied. "Alright, let's move on to the third point. There's no need to mention the second point within our group. How many volunteers would Poland like precisely?"

"If I were a diplomat, I would say as many as Spain can safely send," Białas began. "But I'm not a diplomat, so I'll say at least one division, although if possible, we would prefer a corps."

Franco pondered. Sending a corps was not a problem. There were enough people, although equipment might be more challenging. Although he suspected that the Poles would find a way even in that regard.

"I understand. You would prefer a corps," Franco started. "A corps can be arranged." In fact, he had no objections. It would occupy some of the veterans and allow them to familiarize themselves with modern equipment and organization.

"Alright, do you have any questions, General?" Białas asked, pleased with the overall course of the conversation.

"Yes," Franco replied. "General Bułak mentioned that you would provide food, medicine, ammunition, and equipment. Can I know what exactly?"

Białas smiled.

*He means the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, or Lithuania plus Belarus. For him, they are one and the same.
Good,logical and plausible.
I do not knew,that Bułat-Bałachowicz was in Spain,but it help.
Fun thing - Poland send reds there obsolate tanks,guns,HMG and rifles - but,they were still third state when it come to numbers in delivering them help.
We even plan to sell them P.37 bombers!

And actually sell 100 modern mortars and some HMG except old stuff.

Officially to pay for new weapons,but in reality,if we use it for reserve units,we could have at least 10 dyvisions more in 1939 - if we leave them in East and order to fight,soviets would bleed there.


Spain offered 70.000 volunteers for east front in OTL,germans take only 18.000.
We could take them.
We have enough AK-47,PKM for them - but what about artillery? did we have enough 122mm SPG and missile launchers for them ?
 

Batrix2070

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I do not knew,that Bułat-Bałachowicz was in Spain,but it help.
I found out about it by accident. I originally wanted to skip it, but when I saw it. I decided it would be a shame to miss it, hence this episode. You can see by the dates that it takes place the day after Benesh arrived in Poland and before the border guards clash with the Soviets.
We have enough AK-47,PKM for them - but what about artillery? did we have enough 122mm SPG and missile launchers for them ?
There will be enough equipment, by the time these volunteers arrive production of Grots, UKMs, Krabs and so on will be booming enough for them as well.
 
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For the curious, the badge of JW AGAT. I like it and you like it?

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I found out about it by accident. I originally wanted to skip it, but when I saw it. I decided it would be a shame to miss it, hence this episode. You can see by the dates that it takes place the day after Benesh arrived in Poland and before the border guards clash with the Soviets.

There will be enough equipment, by the time these volunteers arrive production of Grots, UKMs, Krabs and so on will be booming enough for them as well.
Wait,we could produce 50 Krabs per year.It would be never enough for our army,not mention spaniards.
100 IFV,dunno how many APC and tanks.
Sure,we could made bigger factory - but it take time.
 

Batrix2070

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Wait,we could produce 50 Krabs per year.It would be never enough for our army,not mention spaniards.
100 IFV,dunno how many APC and tanks.
Sure,we could made bigger factory - but it take time.
Actually, more than 100 a year, and only at HSW alone. (And yet there will be a second line at Bumar.) The only real limitation is the engines. And those in our reality are purchased from MTU, which in turn is.... very efficient when it comes to delivering orders to the ordering party. (And guess what country this company is located in.)
Here? These will be engines from the T-64 I already mentioned, and we have our own production of them on our own account, so as much as we need, we will make as much.

Engines are actually our Achilles heel, they are the ones that limit the volume of production. Nihil novi, the same problem faced, for example, the British during World War II, there were too few Merlins in relation to the number of Spitfire fuselages. It was only when they got over it that they were able to produce a really large number of them.

And as I have said many times before, the war with the Soviets will then be like in Red Alert. So actually we have enough time.
 
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Actually, more than 100 a year, and only at HSW alone. (And yet there will be a second line at Bumar.) The only real limitation is the engines. And those in our reality are purchased from MTU, which in turn is.... very efficient when it comes to delivering orders to the ordering party. (And guess what country this company is located in.)
Here? These will be engines from the T-64 I already mentioned, and we have our own production of them on our own account, so as much as we need, we will make as much.

Engines are actually our Achilles heel, they are the ones that limit the volume of production. Nihil novi, the same problem faced, for example, the British during World War II, there were too few Merlins in relation to the number of Spitfire fuselages. It was only when they got over it that they were able to produce a really large number of them.

And as I have said many times before, the war with the Soviets will then be like in Red Alert. So actually we have enough time.
Those engines are needed for PT16,too.And our new IVF.
So,maybe 100-150 per year.If we want gave anytching to spaniards,we need to wait at least 5 years.
It would be 1943 - and in 1942 soviets would be capable of making 1000+ T.34 and KW1 per month.
Numbers matter,as comrade sralin liked to say.
 

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Actually, more than 100 a year, and only at HSW alone. (And yet there will be a second line at Bumar.) The only real limitation is the engines. And those in our reality are purchased from MTU, which in turn is.... very efficient when it comes to delivering orders to the ordering party. (And guess what country this company is located in.)
Here? These will be engines from the T-64 I already mentioned, and we have our own production of them on our own account, so as much as we need, we will make as much.

Engines are actually our Achilles heel, they are the ones that limit the volume of production. Nihil novi, the same problem faced, for example, the British during World War II, there were too few Merlins in relation to the number of Spitfire fuselages. It was only when they got over it that they were able to produce a really large number of them.

And as I have said many times before, the war with the Soviets will then be like in Red Alert. So actually we have enough time.
We have 4 dyvisions,making 2 more,and need to replace weapons for 10 infrantry from 1939,and 5 calvary Brigades.
Even if we made 150 Krabs per year,we still need al teast 6 years for making weapons for spaniards.
When soviet planned war for 1942,before they changed it to 1941.

Now,we would have german-soviet- england coalition against Poland.
Even with modern tech,we could still lost.
 
Technical Modernization Plan

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January 14, 1939
Third Republic of Poland
Warsaw


It was already a dark night, with just under an hour and a half until midnight. The area was deserted, despite the fact that the headquarters of the General Command of the Armed Forces was located near the intersection of one of the city's major thoroughfares.

No wonder, this year's winter surprised everyone with its severity. It had been many years since such a winter, and only the elderly remembered an early winter and the amount of snowfall it could bring. Add to that the unprecedented cold, and everyone preferred to stay at home rather than wander around.

The General Command itself was housed in an inconspicuous building that, if not for the fact that it was fenced off with a military zone warning, many would mistake for a modern residential block.

The building itself was covered in snow, but there were windows betraying the presence of someone in their office. One of those working after hours was Lieutenant General Wiesław Kukuła, the Chief of the General Staff.

He didn't have much left to do, but it didn't mean it was an easy task. He had to make the final adjustments to the next amendment of the Technical Modernization Plan of the Armed Forces for the years 2021-2035/1937-1951.
And there were plenty of changes to be made. In fact, more than half of the things planned to be implemented in the Polish military had to be removed from the plan because there was no way to obtain them, and something else had to be put in their place.

For example, the only M1A2 Abrams tanks Poland had were the Sepv2 and FEB variants, with a total of an astounding 84 tanks. Due to obvious reasons, the only thing they could realistically provide was maintenance for these vehicles, although it would be problematic. However, the specialists from WZM in Poznań were optimistic.

The same went for the K2 tanks, although it was much worse. Only 28 vehicles made it to Poland. Which basically meant that the only sensible fate for them was to be put in reserve and have Obrum engineers take a look at them.

So what was the idea to deal with the fact that they were stuck in a transitional phase? Well, it was decided to give Bumar a chance with their PT-17, as they didn't really have any other choice. Kukuła wanted to laugh; the tankers thought they would finally switch to better equipment, but now they had to go back to another version of the T-72.

The Leopard 2 tank crews were in the best position. There was already a service in place for them that went beyond the normal scope, as the mechanics had to handcraft spare parts for the Leo2. Well, the Germans didn't make them, and there were shortages in the Bundeswehr's warehouses after a period of massive selling. Nonetheless, their fate remained the same as that of the other foreign tanks, which meant being put in reserve and becoming objects of research for engineers.

One can complain, which many Poles, more or less involved in military matters, do in accordance with the old Polish tradition of complaining about everything and saying that things are worse than they really are, but it won't change anything. You have to roll up your sleeves and do your job.

Another noteworthy change was placing a huge order for additional Rosomak armored personnel carriers for the military. It was recognized that there was a need to hurry, and the requirements were already enormous. The Rosomak, alongside the Borsuk, would be the main combat vehicle, and Rosomak SA, the manufacturer of these vehicles, already had two production lines compared to the two planned by HSW and Bumar. So, Rosomak SA would fulfill their order faster.

Nonetheless, a proper logistical division is planned, primarily intending to introduce division categories to facilitate logistics and division modernization. There were supposed to be three categories: A, B, and C.

All in all, categories A and B won't differ that much. Both will be relatively modern, but the A category divisions, which include all existing Polish Army divisions, plus the 1st Legion Division and the newly formed 5th Kresowa Armored Cavalry Division, will be equipped with the most advanced equipment of the Polish Army, mainly the Borsuk complemented by Rosomak and PT-17 complemented by Leo2. They will constitute the backbone of the Polish Army and its main force. In short, they are mechanized and armored divisions.

The remaining Kresowa divisions will fall into category B, receiving older Rosomak vehicles and newly produced ones, T-72 and PT-91, and other less modern equipment. Partial motorization is already being implemented, with their rear, technical, and logistical units transitioning to a NATO-style to facilitate further modernization. This means that B-type units will be motorized units.

The last category, C, essentially consists of infantry divisions in the style of World War II, but with motorization using trucks and armored cars like the AMZ Żubr from AMZ Kutno. Currently, all Kresowa units belong to this category, but ultimately, category C is intended for mobilized troops and volunteers from other countries.

These categories do not include elite soldiers like paratroopers or their former subordinates, namely the militia in the style of light infantry known as WOT.

Speaking of the latter, three WOT brigades per voivodeship were planned to be established in each Kresowa province. It was the personal contribution of the Marshal, supported by the opinions of veterans of the war against the Bolsheviks. They proposed having at least three brigades per district.

They claimed that there would be no shortage of volunteers among the Kresowiaks, and the Bolsheviks would be numerous, too numerous for one brigade, even with support from their counterparts in the central provinces, to hold them back for long.

Moreover, Kukuła discussed this with Marshal Rydz, seeking to draw from his considerable experience with the Red Army. Surprisingly, the Marshal was a very reasonable officer, flexible, cunning, and understanding of the battlefield, although he had his flaws, such as frequently keeping important information secret. Nonetheless, during war games and training, he proved to be remarkably adaptable to new possibilities.

Kukuła could see how effective Rydz's favorite maneuver, maneuvering along internal lines from a central position, which was one of the most difficult operational maneuvers for a military commander to achieve, truly was.

Over the course of several games, his skills were tested, and the result was that he was actually a better commander than most of the contemporary Polish generals, including Andrzejczak himself.

Of course, one of the most frequently played scenarios was the 1939 defensive war, which Rydz was somewhat obsessed with. He absorbed everything related to that fateful campaign, wanting to know where he made a mistake in the normal course of history. He was so engrossed in it that he specifically learned how to use a computer and surf the internet to find out more. From what Kukuła remembered, Rydz engaged in online debates or heated discussions on various historical forums a few times. He particularly complained about someone named Buba and a completely deranged ATP.

Of course, the special version of the 1939 scenario was played several times, where Germany was weaker than it was believed before the war, and when Poland was stronger as it should have been according to the armed forces.

The result? It turned out that he was capable, with such a ratio of forces, of sustained defense. This indicated that the problem primarily lay in equipment shortages, which was actually quite obvious. The potential of Poland and the potential of Germany, the second-largest economy in the world, were too disparate to be neutralized by better command. Although the Germans were not bad at command, so ultimately, the potential and its neutralization in Poland were the main cause of defeat.

Of course, Kukuła, like many high-ranking Polish officers, was well aware of why they lost. Nevertheless, explaining it to the Poles is extremely difficult, although a certain historian is slowly doing so, previously on YouTube and now on Swipeto.

Nonetheless, moving away from the Marshal towards the Plan, his advice and that of other veterans allowed for an understanding of certain details that are often overlooked in historical studies.

These were very helpful in determining the priorities in the modernization of the Second Polish Republic's armed forces. Logistics, communication, and the air force were given priority. This was based on the cost-effectiveness ratio, where with much lower saturation, they could multiply the existing potential.

A good example was the use of MAN TGE vans as a replacement for the Fiat trucks used by the Second Polish Republic. Although they are now called STAR TGE, as the former MAN factories in Poland, including the one in Starachowice, were taken over by Autobox Innovations, which already had documentation for all the former trucks of that brand. This allowed them to easily modernize the trucks used by the Polish Armed Forces. Now their potential has multiplied, and they can start producing trucks and vans as competitors to the currently preferred Jelcz.

This was also due to the fact that Jelcz's physical production capabilities were low, and the Polish Army needed new trucks immediately. Assisting the company that already had all the documentation for the older type of Polish Army trucks, as they had been modernizing them to modern standards, by taking over the MAN factories and starting production of the old/new Stars and placing a large order for STAR TGE, was simply an obvious step dictated by circumstances.

Of course, JELCZ was not sitting idle. Its production capabilities had been significantly expanded for over a year, but the expansion was expected to be completed around 2025 or 1940, if you prefer.

Here, the decision was made to use this idea to extend the service life of these machines, unify them with what Poland currently produces, and obtain a not-so-small number of modernized machines at a low cost. At the same time, the currently trained personnel can continue to operate them.

The scope of modifications includes replacing the Bristol engine with the ASz-62IR-16 engine, which, according to calculations, should give the old aircraft almost 500 km/h, an increase in speed of nearly two hundred kilometers per hour. The four 7.92mm wz.33 machine guns will be replaced with eight WKM-B 12.7mm machine guns to significantly increase firepower.

The entire onboard equipment of the P.11 cockpit will be modernized, introducing a friend-foe system and making modifications to allow the attachment of the Piorun air-to-air missile under the aircraft's wings. Many other electronic-related modifications will bring them closer to contemporary aircraft.

And most importantly, the worn-out components of the airframe will be replaced. According to reports from mechanics, all the aircraft already show visible signs of wear on the wings and fuselage.

Of course, the PZL P.11c was not the only aircraft undergoing similar modernization programs, but it was the only actual combat aircraft that underwent such extensive modifications. The old P.7s owned by the two squadrons from the Eastern Borderlands were simply to be retired and transferred to the Polish Aviation Museum in Krakow.

Ultimately, the P.11h Kobuz II was intended to serve as a second-line aircraft, one that, due to its reliance on an old and fuel-efficient, as well as less demanding engine, could continuously perform air surveillance missions, thus relieving the MiG-29 and F-16, which are now designated for deep and precision strike tasks.

In fact, even the unmodernized P.11c aircraft currently serve this role, flying wherever Poland needs aircraft to deter airborne threats that cannot be neutralized from the ground.

Another somewhat surprising program for military analysts is the makeshift adaptation of the agricultural aircraft PZL-106 Kruk for battlefield support purposes.

A less prioritized matter is, of course, the replacement of the infantry divisions' weaponry in the Second Polish Republic with the currently used equipment. The 1st Infantry Division of the Legions received priority and is already training with the new equipment.

As for the old weaponry, since present-day Poland does not use the Mauser caliber, i.e., 7.92x57mm, it is simply sold by the Military Property Agency to anyone interested. Some buyers are private individuals in Poland seeking to obtain old/new equipment from the Second Polish Republic for collector's purposes, while others are purchasing it for the warring factions in Spain. There were even a few who bought ex-Polish military equipment for the Chinese National Revolutionary Army fighting against Japan.

Regardless of the reasons, Polish weapons have traveled to the four corners of the world, and new weapons from ZM Tarnów and FB Radom have arrived to replace the sold specimens.

Another important aspect was, of course, the replacement of uniforms and equipment. New jackets, boots, helmets, and bulletproof vests had to be purchased. This matter was less promising, as various unpleasant incidents occurred regarding the orders. The Armament Agency had their hands full ensuring that the new equipment aligned with the new intentions, rather than being influenced by old habits, ordering subpar items, and complete indifference to the fact that there are better models available.

The last less prioritized issue before addressing those that can be implemented at a normal pace was the matter of the navy.

Overall, the sailors quickly reached a consensus on what they needed immediately. So, the Miecznik program, in its new version of an artillery ship with missile support, returns to the spotlight, with anyone who takes a look noticing a significant change in tone.

Firstly, the number of Mieczniks will be increased from three to nineteen, and secondly, the schedule will be substantially accelerated, with the first ship expected to be ready in a year instead of the original five-year timeline.

For armament, 155mm cannons identical to those on the AHS Krab were chosen. For practical reasons, they will initially be manually loaded, but Pit-Radwar is already working on a version with automatic loading. Although space was left for possible future installation of originally planned missile launchers, they were not included for now.

Apart from these changes, the rest remains as it was, which essentially means that we are still talking about a frigate with the displacement of a cruiser from World War II.

Another priority is the Kormoran III program, which is an advanced version of Kormoran II adapted for anti-submarine warfare. The Navy aims to have over nine of these ships for its needs.

The next program is called Hołd, which hides the need to convert one of the transports that found itself in Polish territorial waters during the September 17th events into a helicopter carrier.

The penultimate noteworthy program is Huragan, which is as new as the Hołd program. Under this name, there is a plan to develop and build a series of destroyer-class ships in Polish shipyards. Ultimately, there were supposed to be twenty-three of them, serving as typical workhorses without any frills.

The last program was named Waza, and it involved acquiring battleships from abroad. The goal was simple: Poland needed a large hull with a large caliber. Thanks to modern technology, it would be able to make this ship much more formidable than its counterparts. Polish diplomats were already engaged in intense discussions with the Chilean government to acquire their battleship. Given that KGHM currently owned a copper mine in Chile, an offer was made for the company's investment in the mining industry in Chile and development aid to increase productivity.

This was actually Poland's first significant step in the Americas, and the United States closely watched these actions. This, of course, triggered a reaction from the Naval Inspectorate, which insisted on accelerating the pace and increasing funding for new ships. For now, Poland would not be able to realistically deter the Americans from any actions at sea.

The next programs were already being implemented at a normal pace, although it doesn't mean they were any less important. They consisted of programs such as:

Pirat Program - a program for Polish anti-tank missiles. Currently, production and the implementation phase for the military, along with launchers, are underway. The first launchers with weapons are being delivered to the Bofors 37mm anti-tank gun battalions in the eastern part of the country.

Orka Program - a program for submarines. ORP Orzeł I is currently undergoing modernization at the Navy Shipyard, while ORP Sęp I is expected to arrive soon. Meanwhile, production of additional ships of this class was set to begin at the "Wulkan" Shipyard in Szczecin. The goal was to have a total of twenty-three units, including those already built.

Wilk Program - a tank program for the Polish Army. OBRUM, together with Bumar, was set to present the new PT-24 tank. It was designed to be modern yet relatively simple in construction.

Jastrząb Program - a World War II-style plane program. It is planned to be equipped with eight WKM-B 12.7mm machine guns, capable of reaching a speed of 700 km/h, carrying up to 500 kg of ordnance, and being affordable and simple enough to be an export machine.

Kania Program - a Polish jet aircraft program. It is expected to achieve at least Mach 1, be armed with a multi-barrel version of the WKM-B, and serve as a multi-role aircraft.

When Kukuła placed the final period and finished, it was already past midnight. He stretched in his chair and looked at his watch. Seeing the late hour, he let out a deep yawn; once again, his work had extended. "Nihil novi" for many months, it was rather the new normal.

Unfortunately, there were no signs of change in this regard. Germany, although greatly subdued, still posed a certain threat. The entire western border had turned into a militarized zone.

The Munich affair and the events that followed had severely damaged their reputation. No one wanted to talk to Hitler, a man capable of breaking agreements, not even Mussolini, who distanced himself from the would-be ally. As a result of these events, Germany began to fortify its border with its own military. This included the border with Poland, where reports indicated the presence of an entire army group.

The southern border was secure. The Czechs, reassured by the fact that Germany would do nothing, focused on modernizing their military and pacifying the Sudeten Germans.

The eastern border remained a silent zone of border warfare, although the scale of diversions had decreased since the unification. The Soviets continued to test Polish defenses. Klisz, who currently commanded the WOT, reported to him and privately mentioned that, while they could find many faults with them, they certainly lacked no enthusiasm for combat.

The northern land border was secured. Lithuania had been pacified once again after attempting to do their own thing. Latvia had always been a friendly country and, like Romania and Czechoslovakia, leaned towards Poland, purchasing weapons from Poland and modernizing according to Polish standards. Only Königsberg posed a small problem as Germany tried to turn the entire region into one massive fortress. Unfortunately, deteriorating supplies in the region were causing unrest among the local population. Of course, the Intelligence Agency was helping to fuel the fire, attempting to provoke the Prussians in various ways.

The maritime sector was not problematic, although it was a fact that they had a really small fighting force—only two old frigates, two corvettes, and mine destroyers. However, the Maritime Rocket Unit and the air forces changed everything. Their Su-22s were a perfect threat to the Kriegsmarine.

In the event of war, Königsberg would be cut off from the rest of the country, and the Baltic Sea would become hostile to the Germans. In fact, in the event of war, the Su-22s were supposed to pay a visit to the Kriegsmarine base in Kiel.

Therefore, it was relatively safe, albeit nerve-wracking for Kukuła, who had to keep his finger on the pulse at every flashpoint. Such was the fate of the Chief of General Staff. Fortunately, in case of the worst-case scenario, Piotrowski would take care of it as the Chief of Operations.

With that in mind, he recorded all the amendments, prepared them to be sent by email to Andrzejczak, and once it was done, he shut down the computer and went to get a few hours of sleep before the next shift.

He would need it tomorrow.
 
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ATP

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Thanks for chapter !

I have few problems -
1.There would be 6 "A" dyvisions - and 235 Leopard with 84 Abrams for them.50 tanks per dyvision.I would not name them as armored.
2. 10 "B" dyvisions - and about 200 PT91 and T.72 for them.20 per dyvision.

3.P.11g seems sensible,Jastrząb,too
4.Kania could be F.5,so why it make only 1M?
5.We knew notching about Missile launchers - could we produce Korean ones,or not? Langusta had too little range.
Belaruss could produce Polonez with 200-300km range,we should do the same.
6. What about 155mm guns on truck,like french Ceasar? we should be capable of making them,too.
Some were send to Ukraine,just like swedisch Archers.Could we get few ?

7.Navy - what about torpedo boats with AT missiles? they should be cheap.And small modern submarines,if possible drones like those given up by USA to Ukraine.
Modern torpedoes could blow below enemy wrships brealing their keel,so one torpedo should be enough for battleship.

8.Warmate drones - since they could be used both for recon and suicide attack,we should mass produce them.And bigger one from the same producer.

P.S Whinning @ATP is great,but you should add modest @Batrix2070 ,too ! i always wonted to be as evil and whinning as possible,so in this scenario i would continue to harass poor Rydz !
Dunno about @Buba ,thought.

Jokes aside - Rydz asked our best general,Kutrzeba,for plan against german armored dyvisions in 1935.
And he made it - few lines of light fortyfications,like in Wizna,on roads which must be taken by mechanized units/other polish roads not worked for trucks/ ,and small mechanized AT units to slow them,with infrantry gathering on flanks for counter attack.

It would worked against 3 dyvisions,but not 10 which they used in 1939.
So,we would lost - but,after 2-3 months,not one.

Dunno,why Rydz do not made it plan real.
 
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