ISOT Back to the Past, aka Poland Saves the World from World War II.

[Batrix2070]

1.There would be 6 "A" dyvisions - and 235 Leopard with 84 Abrams for them.50 tanks per dyvision.I would not name them as armored.

ATP, you don't seem to know how many tanks per battalion in the Polish Army, do you?
I answer, 58 tanks. Of which only the 12 Mechanized has a battalion of each such.

While 18 and 16 which have four just like the armored, 4x58=232 tanks. That is, the two armored combined will have 464 tanks. Which, with the mechanized, gives a total of 928 tanks for the category A divisions, without 12. With it, 986 tanks in total. A lot of it, isn't it?

Of course, all Category A divisions will be swollen along the lines of the 18, i.e. four brigades of four battalions of four companies each under the four-company system. So 12 gets another battalion of tanks which means that at least 1,000 tanks go into the A divisions alone!

And I don't need to remind you that every Rosomak and Borsuk, for down-timers de facto is a tank carrying infantry?

2. 10 "B" dyvisions - and about 200 PT91 and T.72 for them.20 per dyvision.

Category B divisions will each have a battalion of tanks, or 10x58=580 machines, more than half the armored potential of category A divisions.

3.P.11g seems sensible,but you named Jastrząb as helicopter,which is mistake.

corrected, and yes, this is what I was referring to by the P.11 upgrade

4.Kania could be F.5,so why it make only 1M?

At least 1M, why so much? And why more if no one will be able to catch up with them anyway?

.We knew notching about Missile launchers - could we produce Korean ones,or not? Langusta had too little range.
Belaruss could produce Polonez with 200-300km range,we should do the same.

It's a bit funny to say that the Langusta has a short range, when in fact it exceeds the range of any other armament of this type anyway. The Langusta has a 20km range, the Katyusha in its first version barely 5km. Four times bigger.

7.Navy - what about torpedo boats with AT missiles? they should be cheap.And small modern submarines,if possible drones like those given up by USA to Ukraine.
Modern torpedoes could blow below enemy wrships brealing their keel,so one torpedo should be enough for battleship.

There is such a thing as seaworthiness, the smaller the ship the smaller and thus the more limited the range and capabilities.

Such proper boats are, to put it lightly, a cheap but unprofitable direction for the Polish Navy. In the case of the Baltic, Su-22s and MiG-29s are enough to sink anything, supporting Orzeł-class ships.

Whereas for long-range, especially on the ocean, well. That's the wrong direction. Here you need a big ship. Besides, as if you hadn't noticed, the Polish Navy, as a rule, when it procured something on its own terms, always preferred larger ships to smaller ones, the Grom or Wicher destroyers being larger than analogous counterparts from other fleets.

Miecznik are no exception either.

Small ships are pure disposables.

 

[ATP]

ATP, you don't seem to know how many tanks per battalion in the Polish Army, do you?
I answer, 58 tanks. Of which only the 12 Mechanized has a battalion of each such.

While 18 and 16 which have four just like the armored, 4x58=232 tanks. That is, the two armored combined will have 464 tanks. Which, with the mechanized, gives a total of 928 tanks for the category A divisions, without 12. With it, 986 tanks in total. A lot of it, isn't it?

Of course, all Category A divisions will be swollen along the lines of the 18, i.e. four brigades of four battalions of four companies each under the four-company system. So 12 gets another battalion of tanks which means that at least 1,000 tanks go into the A divisions alone!

And I don't need to remind you that every Rosomak and Borsuk, for down-timers de facto is a tank carrying infantry?

Category B divisions will each have a battalion of tanks, or 10x58=580 machines, more than half the armored potential of category A divisions.

corrected, and yes, this is what I was referring to by the P.11 upgrade

At least 1M, why so much? And why more if no one will be able to catch up with them anyway?

It's a bit funny to say that the Langusta has a short range, when in fact it exceeds the range of any other armament of this type anyway. The Langusta has a 20km range, the Katyusha in its first version barely 5km. Four times bigger.

There is such a thing as seaworthiness, the smaller the ship the smaller and thus the more limited the range and capabilities.

Such proper boats are, to put it lightly, a cheap but unprofitable direction for the Polish Navy. In the case of the Baltic, Su-22s and MiG-29s are enough to sink anything, supporting Orzeł-class ships.

Whereas for long-range, especially on the ocean, well. That's the wrong direction. Here you need a big ship. Besides, as if you hadn't noticed, the Polish Navy, as a rule, when it procured something on its own terms, always preferred larger ships to smaller ones, the Grom or Wicher destroyers being larger than analogous counterparts from other fleets.

Miecznik are no exception either.

Small ships are pure disposables.

1.So,you included PT17.Good,but - would german/soviet/brits alliance would gave us time for that ?
2.Last versions of Langusta have 40 km range - but it not change fact,that fucking Belarus made polonez with 200-300km range.
So,we could do the same.Or,at least korean with 130km maz range.

3.Baltics - you have a point about torpedo boats,but mini-sibs,especially copied from those made for Ukraine now,would be nice,too.
Bigger ships could use them on open sea,too.

4.Open seas - yes,we need bigger ships there.155mm turret seems sensible,if you could add Langusta it could work,too.
Or some launcher for HIMARS missiles,if we manage to produce them.

5.What about drones? we arleady are making Warmate and Warmate 2,and dudes who made them make bigger prototypes/Manta or sometching/
But,they are poles who have private factory,and PIS hate poles who own anytching,so.....
They still could destroy them just becouse.

P.S If we manage to get some Archer 155mm swedish guns on truck,we should copy it,too
We need more guns,and tey should be cheaper then Krabs.
If not,we could made our own.Ukrainians made prototype of 155mm gun on truck on 2021,we could do that ,too.

Speaking of ukrainians - how exactly you plan tp prevent them from joining germans? they truly beliv,that Lwów is theirs.
And Bandera,their god,in 1939 was german agent.
Unless our PIS eunuchs actually gave Lwów to them....

 

[Batrix2070]

Good,but - would german/soviet/brits alliance would gave us time for that ?

Let me put it this way, remember what happened when the Japanese kicked America? That's more or less what will happen to Poland.

but it not change fact,that fucking Belarus made polonez with 200-300km range.
So,we could do the same.Or,at least korean with 130km maz range.

It will be done, simply. It will be worked out in its own time.

,but mini-sibs,especially copied from those made for Ukraine now

Not very? It works the same for submarines as well, the bigger the better. Although in our case, upgraded with better electronics Eagle, will suffice. It has tremendous speed, new better batteries of Polish production with better batteries (Polish is number 2 when it comes to battery production in the world) will only improve this capability. Better radar and so on. Modern torpedoes, on the other hand, will make it possible to delete the Gangut on the first try.

It will still be a small monster.

Or some launcher for HIMARS missiles,if we manage to produce them.

There is another plan, a launcher that just happens to be tailored for ships. More specifically, studying the launcher from ex-American frigates. You know, the OORP Kosciuszko and Pulaski.

5.What about drones? we arleady are making Warmate and Warmate 2,and dudes who made them make bigger prototypes/Manta or sometching/

What should, goes its tone. It is in the rest of the programs of lesser importance like Pirate or Kania. WB is now producing everything for Poland, and no it's not PiS resistance but just plain obfuscation by MON.

P.S If we manage to get some Archer 155mm swedish guns on truck,we should copy it,too
We need more guns,and tey should be cheaper then Krabs.

We make our own excellent quality 155mm guns. If you have to, you simply take the cannon from the Crab and put it on a regular platform as a towed one. Anyway, we have the Kryl.

Speaking of ukrainians - how exactly you plan tp prevent them from joining germans? they truly beliv,that Lwów is theirs.
And Bandera,their god,in 1939 was german agent.
Unless our PIS eunuchs actually gave Lwów to them....

Firstly, there are not enough of them, and secondly, Germany has a ruined reputation internationally courtesy of Poland. Third, Rydz sits and dries Kaczynski's head every time he comes up with such ideas. He is succored by no small amount of public opinion.

Fourth, Kaczynski has another plan. To breed loyal Ukrainians for himself, most simply by letting Bandera himself speak.

Moreover, many of the refugees who stayed with us are from central and eastern Ukraine and there.... well Bandera and the Ukrainian Insurgent Army are not as popular as in Halych. In fact, they don't even like him.

They are more concerned about their regions under Soviet occupation than some ridiculous bald man who sits in Bereza Kartuska.

Of course, Lwów as the seat of the Ukrainian government in the exile? Yes. As a Ukrainian city? Never ever.

 

[Orangeduke38]

Is there a reason the Polish government hasn't instituted conscription yet? Its been 6 months and there hasn't been a mention of it or starting a WMD program. Even if you just trained them as basic infantry and armed them with the 300,000 AKMs in storage it would give you a lot of bodies to throw in front of the enemy. Given the German and Russian situations its very plausible they will turn to gas to give them some sort of advantage on the battlefield.

Edit: Does this list of equipment include only the fully operational tanks or Ukrainian tanks going to and from repair shops in Poland and Germany as well?

 

[Buba]

Poland can make 155mm artillery? I thought that there was no tooling for barrels above 122mm? Well, live and learn ...

BMP/BWP-1 is a tank to the enemy in 1939. Forget about swimming and bolt on/weld extra armour to the sides and you are good against 20mm AT guns - that's enough.

 

[Batrix2070]

Is there a reason the Polish government hasn't instituted conscription yet?

This is due to two things, the first. It is a damn unpopular movement in Polish society. First, it has to be persuaded to suspend conscription (because conscription in Poland is still in force, it was just suspended).

Secundo, as a result of the continuous cutbacks in army spending, the training capacity of the Polish army has been significantly impaired. Many training grounds, firing ranges have been eliminated. It is only slowly being rebuilt.

Which, combined with the pathologies that prevail, makes the mere conversion of borderland divisions to the newer de facto standard absorb the full training capacity.

A good example is the fact that although Polish industry is capable of producing more Krabs but this is not being done because the Army can only absorb a battalion of them per year.

Of course, these capacities in the current situation are being expanded month by month. For it is assumed that war may break out within this decade, not in a decade as in our world. This requires a sudden increase in capabilities, training-wise. Fortunately, the Borderlands are much less populated than the rest of the country, so many new training grounds are being built there.

Edit: Does this list of equipment include only the fully operational tanks

Only those owned by the Polish Army, Ukrainian ones are another matter. The data is classified(so you can give more or less) Nevertheless, in addition to Leo, Abrams and T-72/PT-91. there is also a not inconsiderable group of refurbished T-64s and non-Polish ones. T-72 and the equally non-Polish Leo2.

Poland can make 155mm artillery? I thought that there was no tooling for barrels above 122mm? Well, live and learn ...

Yes, HSW built between 2015 and 2019 if I remember correctly, a new complete (Lufownia) barrelhouse for the Krabs. Generally they can produce anything between 30mm and 155mm caliber.

BMP/BWP-1 is a tank to the enemy in 1939. Forget about swimming and bolt on/weld extra armour to the sides and you are good against 20mm AT guns - that's enough.

Yes, but you know, Borsuks and Rosomaks are more media-savvy. BWP-1s are also vehicles that actually even fit more into the trope of a tank carrying infantry. The 73mm cannon, I think only the French have a tank has a cannon of comparable caliber but in the hull of the tank and not in the turret.

Of course, you can get rid of the amphibious capability, on the other hand, in these years the levels of rivers and lakes are rather significantly higher so it is much more useful. Especially since the general operational awareness of the Polish commander will be much greater than his counterparts.

This makes the BWP-1 a really dangerous glass cannon, even without armor reinforcement.

Its been 6 months and there hasn't been a mention of it or starting a WMD program

It's five months, and why isn't it mentioned? Because it's a separate chapter.

 

[Orangeduke38]

I'm looking forward to seeing what other individuals, groups and nations Poland works with to weaken their enemies and strengthen their position. I imagine the Bavarians will be a problem for Hitler with Rupprecht Wittelsbach proven right and other individuals implicated in the attempted assassination of Hitler. Beria must be having a rough time of it if Stalin has heard he was strongly suspected of murdering him. The USSR will be suffering from a lot of internal problems if someone with a polish accent has started distributing the histories of specific officers and officials and who will kill who in later years.

 

[Buba]

The BWP-1's cannon is not that much of an oddball. Everybody was looking at "artillery/cloose-support" tanks with short barrel c.75mm cannon/howitzers.
Good point about rivers. Although here I'd be more worried about the lack of bridges east of the Bug and Niemen than higher water levels.
For the BWP-1 the mantra would be "do not close in more than 500m". The Germans have shitloads of the 3.7cm PAK, and the Soviets also have quite a few 45's.

Yay about new lufownia!

 

[Buba]

BTW - IMO the Soviet Question can be resolved Israeli style by bombing Lenin's Tomb during the October Revolution parade on 7.XI when the whole Soviet leadership is on it.
Don't tell me that a few F-16's cannot do it ...

 

[Batrix2070]

I'm looking forward to seeing what other individuals, groups and nations Poland works with to weaken their enemies and strengthen their position. I imagine the Bavarians will be a problem for Hitler with Rupprecht Wittelsbach proven right and other individuals implicated in the attempted assassination of Hitler.

Well, it depends. Some will be quite obvious, a couple of them you have met are Czechoslovakia, Romania, Spain and Latvia.

Another is just look at a map, a map of Asia of course. Another European ally is anyone's guess.

As for inciting the Germans, I actually already have a plan of exactly who these actions will be with. My hint, the melody of their country's anthem was the foundation for Germany's anthem.

By the way, thanks for the information about Rupprecht, it just happens to be close to what I am planning.

The USSR will be suffering from a lot of internal problems if someone with a polish accent has started distributing the histories of specific officers and officials and who will kill who in later years.

*With a Russian accent, if it were with a Polish one, such a person would very quickly be assassinated as a Polish spy and saboteur. Until about 1941, to be a Pole in the USSR was certain death (NKVD Polish operation, read for yourself) or at least exile to a gulag.

The BWP-1's cannon is not that much of an oddball. Everybody was looking at "artillery/cloose-support" tanks with short barrel c.75mm cannon/howitzers.

Yes, but you know, rather these are just short-barreled guns and usually in the hull and here you have a long-barreled one, in the turret. The last time this was in French heavy tanks from the WWI. That said, it stands out, a very light vehicle with such a powerful armament. It screams tank even though it is not one. Although actually it has armor comparable to a typical tank of the period and is capable of killing any of them.

For the BWP-1 the mantra would be "do not close in more than 500m".

Like the Tigers and Panthers?

The Germans have shitloads of the 3.7cm PAK, and the Soviets also have quite a few 45's.

How is this different from treating every infantry team as a deadly threat because they have an anti-tank grenade launcher?

BTW - IMO the Soviet Question can be resolved Israeli style by bombing Lenin's Tomb during the October Revolution parade on 7.XI when the whole Soviet leadership is on it.
Don't tell me that a few F-16's cannot do it ...

Actually, they can do it twice in a day.

From Warsaw to Moscow is 1,100 kilometers in a straight line, while the F-16 has a range of 4,400 kilometers. Poland can support Franco by air, without actually moving. Nevertheless, you know, it will be kept secret until the right moment.

Nevertheless, you have to keep two things in mind, you have to prepare for this march deep into the USSR to subjugate it. They will not surrender because they do, to the Poles.

The second, the liquidation of all the personnel of the decisive resim, means that in their place will come people who are less known, and thus it is difficult to expect what they will do.

 

[Buba]

How is this different from treating every infantry team as a deadly threat because they have an anti-tank grenade launcher?

The contemporary squad level AT weapons are 150m
The LAW/RPG-7 etc. all are good for about that distance.

liquidation of all the personnel of the decisive resim, means that in their place will come people who are less known, and thus it is difficult to expect what they will do.

The decapitation strike buys buys at least half a year, probably longer, of the USSR sorting out the "who is in control" issue. Poland needs time, desperately, to start up production of various things, both civilian and military. Volume production is many months - if not years - away!
And is industrially a mess due to lack of natural gas - which must be replaced with coal or electricity as reestablishing access to gasfields will take the better part of a decade (optimistic version).

 

[Batrix2070]

The decapitation strike buys buys at least half a year, probably longer, of the USSR sorting out the "who is in control" issue. Poland needs time, desperately, to start up production of various things, both civilian and military. Volume production is many months - if not years - away!

Well, this is such a weapon of last resort. If the situation with the USSR becomes too tense and the Red Army seems eager to invade, then the May 1 protocol, will be activated giving Poland a time of calm

And is industrially a mess due to lack of natural gas - which must be replaced with coal or electricity as reestablishing access to gasfields will take the better part of a decade (optimistic version).

Across the board, I wouldn't worry so much about gas. Wherever oil is extracted in the Borderlands, i.e. near Drohobych (near Lviv), natural gas is also extracted. In the Second Republic, natural gas from these regions was used to power the Central Industrial District and Lviv.

And there is actually quite a bit of it, which is why, unlike oil, the Polish state has fully taken control of the gas resources.

And yet there are places like the Netherlands or Romania where Poland is already working to tap into local gas deposits.
And given the fact that we're talking about one of the most-prioritized resources, getting fully secured through Orlen producing gas in Romania, the Netherlands and Norway is a matter of three years at most.

Until then, the missing 2/3 of production is covered by imports from countries that happen to be mining it. Which, of course, caused a jump in prices because Poland is buying up everything as it comes.

 

[ATP]

I forget about elephant in the room - our exiled politicians.Sikorski ,Korfanty and others were out of Poland - and should be back.
Interesting,how modern politicians on Śląsk would react to Korfanty,especially german supporters !/dude who made selfies in german uniform should be in Bereza arleady/

Another topic - i just read "III Rzesza niemiecka,nowoczesność i nienawiść" /my translation - III german Reich,modern hate/
And,it is about how progressive Hitler was - against alcochol,cigarettes,hunting,eating meat,bad christians....
And how german supported him,especially protestants.Catholics was not happy - but german bishops daid notching when germans murdered polish priests.


But,if you want some opposition,it would be catholics.All others hated Poland.

In german catholic Church - Cardinal Bertrand praised Hitler and say notching about german crimes,but bishop of Berlin,Konrad von Preysing,demanded that they should condemn german crimes.
Which german bishops finally did - 19.8.1943,condeming killing innocent becouse of race or health.

You could use him.And Pius XII,too - he was unhappy with germans.

 

[ATP]

I'm looking forward to seeing what other individuals, groups and nations Poland works with to weaken their enemies and strengthen their position. I imagine the Bavarians will be a problem for Hitler with Rupprecht Wittelsbach proven right and other individuals implicated in the attempted assassination of Hitler. Beria must be having a rough time of it if Stalin has heard he was strongly suspected of murdering him. The USSR will be suffering from a lot of internal problems if someone with a polish accent has started distributing the histories of specific officers and officials and who will kill who in later years.

I have idea - say in radio,that Sralin prepared next purge,manage to kill some,and then get killed.
And,that you say who was on purge list,and who get him.In next year.

Then,wait and eat popcorn looking at another purge !

 

[ATP]

Another elephant in the room which i forget - USA till 1939 supported Hitler.


General Motors was making trucks for him.
Standart oil helped IG Farben,with synthetic oil making from coal and other things.
IBM made possible evidence for germans - first cyvilians,jews later,and in the end german death camps.

David Rockefeller fundations helped germans deal with eugenic programs - first for germans,later other nations,too.

So,USA would be not happy with strong Poland which defy Hitler.Especially,when we start dealing with South America.
We need those new submarines now....

 

[Batrix2070]

January 20, 1938
Third Republic of Poland
Otwock-Swierk

The Wołga-Kaliski Program, the most important armament program of the Polish state in the history of the altered world, was destined to be remembered with somber tones. This program, named after a Polish nuclear physicist from the PRL era and bearing the name of the famous Russian river that once served as the border between Europe and Asia, had been kept secret from the very beginning when Poland went back in time.

The goal was simple: to develop and build a series of nuclear warheads for the Polish Armed Forces. It was the so-called ultimate insurance policy of the Polish state. The first seeds of this program were sown just a few days after the incident, but it took several months for them to be fully developed and realized.

Professor Dr. Hab. Eng. Krzysztof Kurek, Director of the National Center for Nuclear Research, was presenting the assembled team to Prime Minister Morawiecki. As soon as Morawiecki received the news that the team was ready, he promptly arrived in Otwock, where the only functioning nuclear reactor in Poland and currently in the world was located.

"... and this is Dr. Anna Kucharska," Kurek said, introducing the last member of the research team.

Morawiecki looked at the modest research team. It was not as large as the renowned Manhattan Project team; it consisted of only eight people. Nevertheless, it was not needed to be as extensive as in that case. Poles didn't have to open open doors; they just had to pass through them.

"Ladies and gentlemen," the Prime Minister began, while the scientists cursed their luck inwardly. Morawiecki intended to deliver a small patriotic speech to them. They found it somewhat out of place, but the Prime Minister noticed it and didn't care. In fact, he had very little to say to them.

"You are embarking on the most important project facing Polish science. Your actions will determine the survival of the Polish state. I don't need to tell any of you what we border with; you are well aware of it from history lessons. Therefore, to achieve your goal, a special fund has been established, separate from the regular funding of the NCBJ*. This fund will cover all expenses and will provide you with a special bonus for your work on atomic weapons. You could say that we are giving you a blank check, although I have one request: try not to overspend, alright?"

There was a moment of silence. The team hadn't expected such a revelation. An endless fund at their disposal. Of course, they were prepared to work for a much smaller amount; after all, the salaries at the NCBJ were not impressive. They could earn more in the private sector or abroad.

Although they had to admit that their salaries had recently increased significantly. Someone higher up had astutely noticed that foreign powers could lure Polish scientists away by simply offering a lot of money.

"Mr. Prime Minister," began the team chairman, Dr. Hab. Edward Górski, "we will strive to minimize expenses."

"Thank you," Morawiecki replied, although he doubted it. "And I almost forgot," he added after a moment, "a special line will be installed directly to me, the President, and Czarnek. In case of any problems, call immediately."

"And listen to SOP's recommendations," Morawiecki's security chief spoke up. "If any of the officers have suspicions, it's better to maintain a paranoid approach than to regret recklessness."

"Exactly," Morawiecki agreed with the bodyguard. "I ask for your constant vigilance and apologize for the persistence of the officers."

"We understand," Kucharska replied. "Keep the program secret, watch your surroundings, and be suspicious of every stranger. No one knows which one of them is a Gestapo agent or a secret police informer."

"Well, actually, Gestapo didn't conduct intelligence operations; it was the Abwehr and Security Service," a man with a beard and glasses on the left side of Kucharska interjected. His name was Dr. Gordon Wyzwoleniec.

"Seriously, Gordon?" Kucharska was surprised. "I didn't know that."

"And I didn't know that the Abwehr knew how to spy," joked another man, Dr. Ireneusz Kleiner, an older bald man nodding his head toward the officer from the Internal Security Agency leaning against the wall.

"Very funny, Doctor," Major Barnaba Ogar replied in a dry tone. He personally didn't like the nickname of the Internal Security Agency.

"So, I see everyone is in a good mood?" the Prime Minister responded, realizing he was dealing with a cohesive team. "That's good," he added after a moment. "I won't disturb you any longer. Time is short, and I expect weekly reports."

The scientists looked a bit disappointed at the last remark. Nevertheless, nobody said anything until the Prime Minister left the research room.

"I knew he would drop some bombshell," Wyzwoleniec finally said, returning to his tasks.

"What were you expecting? Candies?" Kleiner asked him. "You know very well why he wants to keep a close eye on the project."

"I know, I know!" Wyzwoleniec replied, grimacing at the thought that every Pole had to ponder for a moment. What will happen if they fail? What will the Soviets and Germans do? It was even more distressing for Wyzwoleniec because he now held the ultimate ace up his sleeve. He knew very well that the coming months would be extremely tough.

Nevertheless, no one forced him to participate; it was all voluntary. So, he could only blame himself.

"Do you feel the pressure, right?" Kleiner said. "Now, imagine the pressure on him. He's welded to that chair, and everything depends on him."

Wyzwoleniec had to agree. Morawiecki had changed significantly in recent months. He had become slightly stooped, visible wrinkles had appeared, and Wyzwoleniec even noticed the first gray hairs.

"All right, gentlemen and lady, less talking. You heard the Prime Minister, time is pressing. Let's show him what a Pole is capable of," Dr. Górski spoke up as he reentered the room.

"The Americans did it blindly in three years, we will do it in a year and a half. Clear?" he announced, writing the deadline on the board.

"A year and a half?" Wyzwoleniec asked, surprised, then shrugged. "It can be done."

"Dr. Górski?" Kucharska asked, addressing Dr. Górski.

"Yes?"

"What will the weapon be made of?"

"From what the Prime Minister told me, it will be a ballistic missile. Companies from the space sector are already working on it with Mesko, providing Polish ammunition for HIMARS. Our task is solely to develop the warhead for it," Górski explained.

"I understand," Kucharska replied before realizing something. "Doctor?"

"Yes?" Górski responded, sitting down.

"Where will we test it?"

Everyone paused for a moment. It was a good question. Where would the first tests of this weapon take place?

"I don't know," Górski replied disarmingly honestly. "The Prime Minister brushed off the question, saying they are working on it in general terms." Then he pondered for a moment. "Although I don't know why he asked if the heat bothers me."






*An acronym for Narodowe Centrum Badań Jądrowych

 

[Batrix2070]

Damn, I just figured out the date of the Great Volyn Maneuvers in 1938, and they were between September 10 and 20. Rydz wouldn't have been home at that time, he would have been leading the Exercises!

Which means we also have the 10th Cavalry Brigade (the only motorized unit of the Polish Army) and a couple of other units. And a not inconsiderable number of aircraft, 150 or more than half of the military aviation!

@ATP @Buba Do you have any book or at least a place where it is mentioned which units these were?

 

[Buba]

I have no idea, I was not even aware of these (I have gaps in my knowledge, it seems ), but the people on DWŚ would know (they know everything):
I even found a thread about those manouvers:

dws.org.pl • Zobacz temat - Manewry wołyńskie 1938 i defilada w Łucku

www.dws.org.pl

Skimming though the thread:
14-19.IX.1938
3, 13, 21, 27 and 30 DP,
10 BK mot
improvised 5 DK with Podolska and Kresowa BK, plus Wołyńska BK running about on its own
2 light bomber Brigades ???

 

[Batrix2070]

I have no idea, I was not even aware of these (I have gaps in my knowledge, it seems ), but the people on DWŚ would know (they know everything):
I even found a thread about those manouvers:

dws.org.pl • Zobacz temat - Manewry wołyńskie 1938 i defilada w Łucku

www.dws.org.pl

Skimming though the thread:
14-19.IX.1938
3, 13, 21, 27 and 30 DP,
10 BK mot
improvised 5 DK with Podolska and Kresowa BK, plus Wołyńska BK running about on its own
2 light bomber Brigades ???

Okay, thanks.
So that gives two divisions, the 3rd Legion Infantry Division from Pomerania and the 21st Mountain Infantry Division. That is, instead of 10 we have 12 additional divisions.

Of the cavalry, only the 10BK comes in. (Unfortunately, without Maczek.)

The 10th Cavalry Brigade will be moved to the 5th Kresowa Armored Cavalry Division, but the elimination of two cavalry brigades will remain. Simply put, the 5th Kresowa will be a four-brigade division like the other A divisions, not three as I originally planned.

From aircraft we have an unknown, the II RP had two aviation regiments in the Kresy, without the accompanying aviation it is probably 100 machines, I don't know. I simply used that a polish squadron has 10 aircraft and there are 10 squadrons in total except for four with Czaplas. So maybe it was entirely Borderlands aviation? Just where the missing 10, because it was supposed to be 150 machines.

 

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