ISOT Back to the Past, aka Poland Saves the World from World War II.

Batrix2070

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The 3DP was from Zamość ...
XD, I mistook it for another unit, just don't know which one now.

edit. I already know, I was mistaken for the 15th Infantry Division. I checked who commanded the 10BK, it was a certain Colonel Antoni Trzaska-Durski, he in turn was transferred on October 30 to the 4th Division and then to the 15th.
 
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ATP

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Damn, I just figured out the date of the Great Volyn Maneuvers in 1938, and they were between September 10 and 20. Rydz wouldn't have been home at that time, he would have been leading the Exercises!

Which means we also have the 10th Cavalry Brigade (the only motorized unit of the Polish Army) and a couple of other units. And a not inconsiderable number of aircraft, 150 or more than half of the military aviation!

@ATP @Buba Do you have any book or at least a place where it is mentioned which units these were?
I only knew,that it happened.
With additional calvary brigades,you could create 2 dyvisions from our calvary,not one.

But,sadly,it not change the fact,that Sikorski and Korfanty should be arleady in Poland.And pushing for trials against Sanacja dudes responsible for murders and elections frauds.

Interesting,what would PIS do? murderers of general Zagórski was still there.

A bomb - you could just take 155mm barrel,put U235 at both sides,and blown them up at each other.It would waste most of Uran,but you get A bomb.

H bombs - that would take longer.


P.S Considering,that both Germany and soviets planned war for 1942 with new tanks and planes,i do not belive,that Poland here would have 10 years for prepare.

Add England&USA supporting them,and geniuses from PIS and Sanacja leadiong Poland - and all i see is another lost war.
Well,maybe we at least manage to nuke Moscov,Berlin and London before going down.
 

Batrix2070

RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
With additional calvary brigades,you could create 2 dyvisions from our calvary,not one.
There is only one additional, the 10th BK, that of Maczek but without Maczek himself because he took command in October.
But,sadly,it not change the fact,that Sikorski and Korfanty should be arleady in Poland.And pushing for trials against Sanacja dudes responsible for murders and elections frauds.
They can be in Poland but on Rydz's terms. That is, like Rydz himself, to be only a respected man of the nation but without any political wrangling.
Another thing is that I have another idea for them. Without a corrosive Polish-Polish war. Because if Sikorski had started it, Rydz could have countered his accusations by asking why, when evacuating from France, he remembered to take with him the hated Sanators and not intelligence data or military units.
Interesting,what would PIS do? murderers of general Zagórski was still there.
Nothing, there is no interest in prosecuting anyone for crimes in the Second Republic.
P.S Considering,that both Germany and soviets planned war for 1942 with new tanks and planes,i do not belive,that Poland here would have 10 years for prepare.
Well, the next chapter should dispel your doubts.
Add England&USA supporting them,and geniuses from PIS and Sanacja leadiong Poland - and all i see is another lost war.
ATP, the problem in 1939 lay not with the Army or Sanation but with the real war potential. They were simply on the threshold of a power and we were invaded by two superpowers at once.
Poland would have to have an economic potential at least equal to that of Germany to be able to hold out relatively long in defense.

It would have to have the potential of the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland from the Two Eagles in the corresponding period.
 
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ATP

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There is only one additional, the 10th BK, that of Maczek but without Maczek himself because he took command in October.

They can be in Poland but on Rydz's terms. That is, like Rydz himself, to be only a respected man of the nation but without any political wrangling.
Another thing is that I have another idea for them. Without a corrosive Polish-Polish war. Because if Sikorski had started it, Rydz could have countered his accusations by asking why, when evacuating from France, he remembered to take with him the hated Sanators and not intelligence data or military units.

Nothing, there is no interest in prosecuting anyone for crimes in the Second Republic.

Well, the next chapter should dispel your doubts.

ATP, the problem in 1939 lay not with the Army or Sanation but with the real war potential. They were simply on the threshold of a power and we were invaded by two superpowers at once.
Poland would have to have an economic potential at least equal to that of Germany to be able to hold out relatively long in defense.

It would have to have the potential of the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland from the Two Eagles in the corresponding period.
1.But there were 5 other Brigades on Kresy.You could made 2 Dyvizions out of them,one would be too much.

2.I forget ,but Sikorski was France man.PIS could use him to contact France - they could need them in coming war.
Both England and USA would support germans - and PIS should be aware of that fact.
I hope,that they thake over USA embassy,and get list of all american agents in Poland there.
If dudes there do not cooperate,ask them if they want be send to 1939 USA...

3.Really ? Poles from Kresy,who mostly was against Sanacja,would differ.

4.I hope so,germans would have PZIV and PzII then,and soviets T.34 and Kw1.
And could send 300 dyvisions against Poland.
And Poland would have 18 Dyvisions and 30 WOT Brigades.They should win on mountain of soviet and german corpses.


P.S in 1942 we would have no more then 400 PT17 "new" tanks added to 5000 we have now.Not enough to hold.
 
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Anakonda-24

Batrix2070

RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
Passing months went by, winter had already ended, and spring was transitioning into summer. In Poland, people had managed to adapt to the changes. Although the economy wasn't as prosperous as before the displacement, it remained the largest in the world. The Polish market had absorbed a significant portion of domestic production, while the remaining goods were sold at a tremendous profit.

The removal of numerous regulations imposed by EU law had freed Polish hands. The entire tax system had been reconstructed once again, this time aiming to simplify the rules. It wasn't as straightforward as liberals would have wanted, but it was certainly much simpler than before.

However, dismantling social mechanisms had to be forgotten. There was no support beyond the bubble of the united opposition and the confederation.

Morawiecki had managed, once again, to reconcile conflicting interests and escape the trap.

Another noticeable effect, which was only realized much later, was the economic revival of Europe. Poland produced a lot but also imported a significant amount. It practically saturated all the basic resources available, effectively forcing everyone to increase their extraction or agricultural production. One of the beneficiaries of this situation was the United States, as Poland absorbed any American overproduction.

One could say that Poland was fortunate, although many Poles who genuinely felt impoverished wouldn't agree.

Nevertheless, it was a matter for economic experts. For military officers, the focus was on the organizational and technical innovations brought by the Poles. The recently concluded Anakonda-24 military maneuvers provided a good demonstration of the basic military capabilities presented by the Polish forces.

Respected powers, as well as smaller nations, sent their observers. Allied countries with Poland sent their soldiers to participate in the exercises. There were Czechoslovaks, Romanians, Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians, Finns, and even the French. Poland decided to continue its military alliance with France, especially since France was genuinely interested in military cooperation.

This year's edition was exceptionally significant, breaking the record for the number of participating soldiers, with over 26,000 Polish soldiers and 3,000 foreign soldiers taking part.

The preparation for this year's Anakonda also set a record, as it typically occurs every three years, but this time it took place barely a year after the previous one.

The training grounds were in Volhynia, just like last year when the Second Polish Republic conducted its Great Volhynia Maneuvers. They had ended as planned, although the permanent deployment locations for many units had changed due to the time displacement that occurred on September 17 during the exercises.

One of those units was the 10th Cavalry Brigade, the first and only motorized unit of the Polish Army of the Second Polish Republic. It faced a considerable problem because there already existed an identical unit formally succeeding it, the 10th Armored Cavalry Brigade named after General Stanisław Maczek, who was the commander of the original 10th Brigade, although he wasn't among the rest of the soldiers.

At that time, the brigade was still commanded by Colonel Antoni Durski-Trzaska, who was, to put it lightly, a mediocre commander compared to Maczek. Consequently, he became the first officer to be recalled from the Kresy region, right after the exercises, where the shortcomings of his unit had once again become evident. General Brigadier Bogdan Rycerski, the former Chief of Staff of the Multinational Corps Northeast in Szczecin, replaced him.

Eventually, the 10th Cavalry Brigade was renamed the 5th Motorized Cavalry Brigade, and its positions were adjusted to match the current brigade structure. It was also placed under the command of the 5th Kresy Armored Cavalry Division, becoming its most valuable unit.

Unfortunately, its offensive potential was meager. It could serve as an excellent unit for defensive operations, but it didn't perform well in offensive maneuvers.

The brigade had only 45 tanks (compared to the required 58), of which only 16 Vickers E tanks were somewhat useful, while the rest were TKS and TK-3 tanks. To compensate for the lack of suitable tanks, all the TK-3 tanks were temporarily replaced with TKS tanks found in the Kresy region, and the shortages were supplemented to reach the required 58 tanks. This wasn't difficult to achieve since there were over a hundred of them in the warehouses in the Kresy region.

Considering that the production lines for PT-24 tanks at Bumar were still being prepared, and there was a huge demand for armored equipment, Rycerski's tank crews had to wait for modern vehicles.

The trucks of the brigade were replaced the fastest. All the motorized cavalry soldiers transitioned from Polish Fiat 621 trucks to Star 266M trucks. This was a significant enhancement for the cavalry as they shifted from small trucks with a maximum range of 400 km to medium-sized trucks with a range of up to 1040 km. Moreover, the Star trucks performed much better in the challenging terrain of the Eastern Borderlands.

The PF 621 trucks were either sold or transferred to museums.

In addition to the trucks, the Uhlans themselves received a substantial amount of modern equipment, becoming the second unit after the 1st Legionary Division to receive it. They obtained retired Beryl rifles, UKM-200 machine guns, older radio stations from storage, Pirat anti-tank launchers, RPG-76 Komar anti-tank grenade launchers produced for Ukraine, and many other pieces of equipment that were stored away, apart from uniforms.

This created quite a funny sight - soldiers dressed in black leather Polish-style uniforms, wearing green ex-German helmets from the IWŚ, using plastic AK-74 clones for NATO ammunition, carrying modern radios, and driving Cold War-era trucks.

For these soldiers, it was nothing new; they had always stood out among other soldiers. Now, they would simply stand out even more.

Observers who saw the 5th Brigade during the exercises for the first time were surprised by its complete distinctiveness from the rest of the soldiers.

The goal of this year's Anakonda exercise was to practice a defense scenario against an attack from the Red Army along the southern route. The Polish command didn't even try to pretend it was about someone else.

The soldiers of the Kresy divisions took on the role of peace-bringing and prosperity-liberating Red Army troops, supported by armored units provided by the Czechs and Romanians with their tanks.

Against them, mixed units of contemporary and 20th-century Polish military forces were deployed. They were supported by Czechs, Romanians, as well as all the Baltics, Finns, and French.

This mosaic was deliberately created to test the coordination capabilities between such diverse forces and to familiarize them with the technical transitions between units.

Of course, this was somewhat inconsistent with the new doctrine of the Polish Armed Forces, which emphasized defense from the border, ideally stopping the enemy's advance directly on the border and launching a counterattack.

Therefore, the maneuver area covered the entire province, from the eastern to the western part. Defense, delaying actions, counterattacks, and river crossings were practiced. During Anakonda, the Bug River was used in two different scenarios: defending its line or conducting a crossing, simulating the Dnieper River.

But what was important were the insights that emerged from these maneuvers. The Poles remained extremely attentive to any foreign conclusions, eager to discover what others had inferred.

General Franz Halder, Chief of Staff of the Oberkommando des Heeres, wrote in his lectures for OKH officers:

The good times of relations with Poland are over, along with the opportunities to study the capabilities of the Polish Armed Forces. Many conclusions that could be drawn from previous years should not be discarded, but should be taken with a significant caveat.

This year's Polish Anakonda-24 maneuvers clearly demonstrate this. The old divisions we know have barely changed their behavior after just a few months. Although their firepower has not increased dramatically because they still use their existing weapons, the speed of reaction and mobility resulting from an injection of modern technology make them equal to our infantry divisions.

Of course, at the tactical level, our infantry still surpasses them in firepower. However, thanks to better communication, a Polish commander can react more efficiently to attacks even at the level of an infantry squad, where our forces can utilize 50% of their firepower, while the Polish forces can exceed 80%.

Nevertheless, the most significant leap is seen in the former 10th Cavalry Brigade, now the 5th Motorized Cavalry Brigade, which is the second unit, after the 1st Legionary Infantry Division, to receive modern equipment.

Although the commander has shown his shortcomings (sufficient to be dismissed and replaced), and the unit has had coordination problems at levels higher than the battalion, the considerable increase in firepower and mobility, combined with much better reaction time, has allowed a significantly smaller human force to withstand the attack of a much larger unit.

Let us dwell on this for a moment, as the example of the 5th Brigade demonstrates the superiority of technology over manpower. A small modification and equipment replacement for this unit transformed it from weak to dangerous.

Moreover, a shift from the previous image of the Polish Armed Forces can be observed. It is no longer a small, valiant army but a terrifyingly modern one, supported by significant military potential. Furthermore, the experience is on their side, not ours. They already have 70 years of experience in building, operating, and supplying a fully motorized and armored army. They know what works and what is a blind alley of history.

Good example is a demonstration of the future capabilities of the 10th Armored Cavalry Brigade, named after a certain Stanisław Maczek. According to research, during the 1939 campaign, the original 10th Brigade gave us a tough time. Fortunately, that officer is no longer with us.

Unfortunately, it changes very little for us; there are dozens of such Maczeks. Every single officer in the armored, motorized, mechanized, and motorized infantry branches of the Polish Armed Forces possesses the same skills that General Maczek developed on his own, sometimes even blindly.

The future 10th Brigade illustrates this well. If the original 5th Brigade, with its modernized military assets, was able to halt large units with a small force, the 10th Brigade is capable of destroying them.

General Grzegorz Parabieda, the commander of the 10th Armored Cavalry Brigade, showed me and others gathered how an armored unit operates in his day.

Speed, certainty in command. Immense firepower, multiplied by the extraordinary mobility even of a regular infantry squad, which surpasses any infantry in the world in every aspect. Extraordinary logistical efficiency, reconnaissance, engineers, and medical services. The complement to their superiority is communication, enabling efficient coordination of the unit in the operational area, which in our case must be occupied by a division.

During exercises, the 10th Brigade simply tore apart attacking divisions, despite the fact that they had been previously reinforced with modern equipment! I don't want to imagine what they would do in a clash with the Heer.

The conclusions that must be drawn, in my opinion, are as follows. We are dealing with an army that surpasses all paradigms of contemporary military science. It is supported by experience, knowledge, valor, and astonishing industrial potential.

Although it lacks numerical strength, the firepower it possesses, which is multiplied by mobility, and the extraordinary communication allowing for extremely rapid reactions create highly flexible units that mitigate these shortcomings
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He was not the only German officer writing with admiration and fear about the superiority of the Polish Armed Forces. Heinz Guderian, in his book "A Study of Polish Armor," wrote the following:

Chapter 1 - The Basic Tank*

The concept of the Basic Tank, also referred to in this work as the Universal Tank, is an idea for a machine that evenly balances the fundamental parameters of a tank: mobility, armor, and firepower.

Such a tank does not prioritize one parameter too much. Although, of course, each of the armored vehicles presented in this study has a different approach and favors certain parameters over others, it does not aim to specialize in one of them.

Although it possesses characteristics of each of the known types of tanks, namely light, medium, and heavy, we cannot definitively state to which type it belongs. Nevertheless, even though we cannot determine its type, we can observe the lineage from which the machine originates.

Furthermore, a constant tendency to prioritize firepower can be observed, and if any parameter weakens, it will never be firepower.

The Basic Tanks are divided into three...

Chapter 2 - Leopard 2

The Leopard 2 is a third-generation Basic Tank. It was designed by German engineers in the 1960s as the second fully German tank for the Bundeswehr after the defeat in World War II.

Here we can see the experience of German engineers and the lessons learned from tanks such as the Panzerkampfwagen VI Tiger and Panzerkampfwagen V Panther. In many respects, it represents a return to the concepts of the Panzerkampfwagen III and Panzerkampfwagen IV, with the necessary improvements brought about by the war.

It is an agile and fast tank, like the leopard from which it takes its name, giving it extraordinary mobility akin to the Panzer III, but with the armor and firepower of the Panzer VI.

There is no other weapon, except for aerial ones, capable of destroying it on the battlefield. Nevertheless, even that can be doubtful due to its mobility. More importantly, the Polish version of these vehicles is characterized by even higher armor compared to the basic model.

The Polish Armed Forces currently possess over 250 Leopard 2 tanks, making them the main armored force of the army. They include:

LEOPARD 2NJ - for training: 2 units LEOPARD 2A4 - line model, upgraded to the PL standard: 81 units LEOPARD 2A5 - line model: 105 units LEOPARD 2A7 - line model: 18 units LEOPARD 2PL - line model: 26 units LEOPARD 2PLM1 - line model: 21 units

Chapter 3 - M1A1 Abrams

The M1A1 Abrams is an American third-generation Basic Tank. It is the most advanced tank in the Polish Armed Forces, although the fourth in terms of numbers. Originally, the Poles planned for it to be their second tank alongside the K2, but due to the loss of the manufacturer, they are forced to improvise.

The Abrams is a cousin of the Leopard 2; both trace their lineage back to the same joint German-American project, evidenced by the identical cannon in both vehicles.

Among all the tanks owned by the Polish Armed Forces, the Abrams is the safest for the crew and the most difficult to destroy. This is its most important feature that must be taken into account.

Fortunately for us, it is also the most challenging tank to operate. It requires parts not produced by the Polish industry, primarily due to its gas turbine engine. Although this engine provides the highest mobility of all machines and is versatile in terms of fuel, it requires meticulous maintenance by mechanics, which is a drawback in the current situation.

Furthermore, it is comparable to the Leopard 2.

The Polish Armed Forces currently possess over 84 M1A1 Abrams tanks, which include:

M1A1 SEPV2 - training/line model: 28 units M1A1 FEB - line model: 56 units

Chapter 4 - K2

The K2 Black Panther is a Korean third-generation Basic Tank and serves as the successor to the K1, the previous tank of the same generation.

It is the least numerous tank in the Polish Armed Forces, which can be considered ironic because the Poles planned for it to become their army's main tank. Ultimately, it was intended to be produced in Poland under license, creating the K2PL version, which was supposed to be the primary armored vehicle.

The regular K2s were meant to supplement the transferred T-72s and PT-91 Twardy tanks to Ukraine. Fortunately for us, the first significant delivery was supposed to take place a year after the Poles went back in time.

It is the youngest of the tanks presented here, being in production since 2004, which gives it a number of features not found in the others. Primarily, it has the most advanced fire control and battlefield management system, as well as a different and simpler vehicle control system.

It is extremely mobile in terrain and performs better, especially in difficult conditions, thanks to its lower weight compared to the previously presented tanks. Furthermore, it has the largest gun depression angles, influenced by the mountainous nature of Korea.

Moreover, it is the only tank, alongside the T-72 and its developmental versions, that has an autoloader, eliminating the need for a loader.

An important distinctive feature is that, unlike the aforementioned tanks, it places greater emphasis on mobility at the expense of armor and crew protection. However, this does not mean that it is invulnerable to any of our weapons. The armor, thanks to advanced metallurgy, exceeds the penetrating capabilities even in the weakest spots.

Nonetheless, the decisive difference is the immense focus on the vehicle's command system. It is highly advanced to the point that it can be said that each K2 tank is a command tank.

Due to their low numbers, it is assumed that these tanks will not be frequently seen on the front line. They will likely be used for the development of domestic designs.

The Polish Armed Forces currently possess over 28 K2 tanks, which are:

K2 - line-reserve: 28 units

Chapter 5 - T-72

The T-72 is a Soviet second/third-generation Basic Tank. It is the third most numerous tank in the Polish Armed Forces. Although it is commonly considered outdated in the times when the Poles acquired it, it was a small revolution in its time.

Unlike many other tanks on this list, it is fully produced in Poland, so if needed, Poland can produce as many as it requires.

Although it does not stand out particularly compared to its competitors, firepower being the domain of the Leopard, crew protection of the Abrams, and mobility of the K2, it is the only one that can be mass-produced, which is the origin of this machine.

It was intended to be the main tank of the Soviet Army and the Warsaw Pact forces, serving as the main force complemented by much better models. Although the machine itself was supposed to be transitional, it turned out to be much more future-oriented than its successor, and it is susceptible to various modernizations aimed at improving the T-72.

Fortunately for us, the Poles aim to completely withdraw this machine from the front lines. Unfortunately for us, its place is to be taken by a significantly modernized version called the PT-24.

The Polish Armed Forces currently possess over 111 T-72 tanks, most of which have been transferred to Ukraine. These include:

T-72M1 - line model: exact quantity unknown T-72M1R - line model: exact quantity unknown

Chapter 8 - PT-24

The PT-24 is a Polish third-generation Basic Tank and represents the development of experiences gained from operating the PT-91 Twardy.

The main distinguishing feature of the PT-24 is a completely new 120-millimeter caliber gun, which allows Poland to unify all its vehicles to one ammunition standard, facilitating logistics. Combined with a new and improved fire control system, it surpasses its category.

In addition to that, it has a series of armor reinforcements, significantly exceeding what the basic T-72 offers, with particular attention drawn to the side skirts fully protecting against shelling. This is a bad sign for us.

It also has a completely new engine of Ukrainian design, which is an evolution of the engine from the familiar T-64.

The vehicle itself is intended to be the primary tank of the Polish Armed Forces, with further modernizations expected to increase their effectiveness.

Currently, the Polish Armed Forces do not possess any tanks of this type as production is just starting. The first deliveries are expected by the end of this year.

PT-24 - line model: quantity data unavailable.


Of course, not only German officers were fascinated by the display they witnessed. General Giffard Le Quesne Martel, a British officer and one of the pioneers of mechanization, turned his attention to two vehicles. Much less sought after, but in his opinion, no less important than the tanks that stole the show.

He was referring to the Infantry Fighting Vehicles, primarily the BWP-1 and BWP Borsuk, as well as the KTO Rosomak. He saw them as significant developments of the British Army's Universal Carrier. He wrote about them as follows:

The BWP-1 (meaning Infantry Fighting Vehicle 1), BWP Borsuk (Badger), and KTO Rosomak (Wolverine) are types of armored personnel carriers with tank armament. They fulfill the same role as infantry tanks but, thanks to their ability to transport soldiers inside the hull, they are not slowed down to the pace of ordinary infantry.

This provides unprecedented maneuverability for infantry, making them akin to cavalry while maintaining traditional infantry tasks. Due to the fact that the infantry is hidden under armor, they can traverse open terrain without the risk of injury from artillery fragments or fortified firing positions.

As for the tactics of fighting with these vehicles, there is little difference from the tactics of infantry tank warfare. However, it is worth noting that the requirements regarding weight and size impose limitations on the infantry squad size that these vehicles can accommodate. Hence, there is only one significant difference compared to infantry tanks. The infantry supports the IFV, not the other way around.

The main burden of combat falls on the carrier, and the task of the infantry is to protect it from enemy infantry. However, this does not mean that the infantry is completely tied to the vehicle. It still remains an integral part of the team and its most important element. Without infantry, the IFV is impaired and must retreat.


On the other hand, French officers were concerned with the command and communication system. They paid particular attention to the fact that Poland did not have any stationary artillery pieces, everything was self-propelled, except for the artillery of old divisions.

The Italians, on the other hand, marveled at the weaponry of the Polish infantry. The full automation of Polish weapons meant that a Polish infantry squad had the firepower of an Italian infantry platoon.

As for the Americans, they were highly focused on the Polish rear units. They took note of how the Polish medical, logistical, and engineering services operated. They were particularly interested in the widespread use of pallets and forklifts, which greatly facilitated the work of logisticians.

This was especially evident in the older divisions, where units that had already undergone palletization delivered supplies much faster and more efficiently than those that had not yet implemented it.

There were many other officers drawing conclusions for their respective countries, and many showed interest in Polish weaponry. This was also a secondary objective during Anakonda-24.

However, the most important among them were those who, due to political reasons, were not among the observers. Officers of the Red Army. They were the only army not invited for the visitation. It does not mean that the Soviets were not informed about the Polish Army.

They simply had to gather information through intermediaries, through their spies and sympathizers worldwide.

A comprehensive synthesis of the obtained information was personally submitted to Joseph Stalin by Boris Shaposhnikov, Chief of the General Staff of the Red Army, on June 15, 1939, approximately a month after Anakonda-24 had concluded.

Stalin looked at the nervous officer, the tension in the Red Tsar's office was crushing him. Stalin liked that, as it allowed him to distinguish who was who, to know whom he could rely on and whom he needed to direct.

"You were not in a hurry, Comrade Komandarm Shaposhnikov," Stalin finally replied.

Shaposhnikov quickly apologized, "I apologize, Comrade Secretary, for the delay. Unfortunately, the scale of the material and the need for thorough analysis turned out to be much more serious than I anticipated."

Stalin smiled slightly and nodded, then shook his head and replied, "Comrade Shaposhnikov, there's no need to apologize. I understand perfectly well that with such an adversary, one must proceed cautiously. Separate embellishments from the truth to avoid being caught off guard."

Shaposhnikov silently agreed.

"You may leave; I will study this immediately. Please await my instructions," Stalin informed him.

Shaposhnikov quickly nodded, saluted, and briskly walked out of the office, leaving the Man of Life and Death alone.

Stalin swiftly opened the contents of the folder and began to read. The report was not small; in fact, Stalin had to admit that Shaposhnikov had not exaggerated about the scale of the material. He knew there was a lot of it, but he expected the synthesis to be much smaller.

He took out a pencil and marked the first noteworthy sentences. Before someone could knock again, Stalin had managed to skim through the first few dozen pages. Once the matter was settled, he returned to reading the Synthesis. This Synthesis, which historians would later popularly call the "Shaposhnikov Report," was one of the most important and secretive documents of the Red Army.

Declassified only after the fall of the USSR, it provided an incredibly thorough analysis of the capabilities of the Polish Army and laid the groundwork for countering such a force. Many of the recommendations were later implemented and came as a nasty surprise to the Polish Army. But that was the song of the future.

In the present, Stalin recorded his initial observations in his notebook. These observations would soon transform into orders and directives, once again changing the image of the Soviet Union from day to day. The primary objective remained unchanged.

The Red Army would go to war, but much would change before that happened.

When he was halfway through the report, there was a knock on the door, and Vyacheslav Molotov, the Minister of Foreign Affairs, entered.

"Speak!" commanded Stalin, without tearing his attention away from the report.

"Everything is going according to plan, comrade. President Roosevelt has accepted our preliminary proposal."

Stalin simply smiled. They wouldn't win a direct war against Poland, that was an undeniable fact. The key was that Stalin had no intention of waging an open war. Capitalists abide by market principles; one just needs to use that against them, isn't that right?
 

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Well,FDR was influenced by his waifu,and at least one of her lovers worked for soviets.
Not mention other people near him.
Of course,he would support sralin.

About future war - in 1946 in OTL soviets get T.54,and germans had prototype of E.50 in 1945.
Here,without war,it would happen quicker,let say,in 1944.When we get maybe 400 PT24.
Sorry,but we still should lost.

France - in OTL there was some stuff for which we arleady pay/or,to be precise,it was french credit/ ,so we should still get 300 R.35/H.39.
And other stuff,like 90mm AA guns,too.
Nothing great,but better then notching.

Last thing- planes.Soviets and germans combined would have 20.000 in 1942,more then we AA missiles.
And,since soviets mass produce their crews,they could continue sending them against us till we would be out of ammo.
The same goes for tanks.
We could stop germans,but not soviets.

Becouse germans could mass produce tanks and planes,not crews for them.
Soviets could mass produce both.
Yes,they would be shotty - but better shitty tank with shitty crew which exist,then modern tank which was not build yet.

Paradoxally,as result soviets would take over entire Europe/german army would die helping them destroy us/ ,and with our technology,entire world.

It seems,that you damned world in your ISOT.



P.S Guderian forget about 146 PT 91.Not that would save us....
 
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RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
About future war - in 1946 in OTL soviets get T.54,and germans had prototype of E.50 in 1945.
Here,without war,it would happen quicker,let say,in 1944.When we get maybe 400 PT24.
Sorry,but we still should lost.
A tank, to a tank is not equal.
Already the basic T-72 has armor that is sufficient to take fire from an entire company of T-54/E-50s then shoot them all down in a one-sided duel. (Let me remind you that the T-54 had a 100mm cannon and the E-50 was supposed to have a classic 88, which is definitely not enough to pierce the T-72)

This was, after all, a mass-produced junk without a fire control system or decent sights. BTW it is the Fire Control System that makes the biggest difference and is the most expensive component in a modern tank.

Without it, many more PT-24s could be produced.

Nevertheless, it is the FCS that is Poland's greatest asset allowing a battalion of Polish tanks, to annihilate entire armored regiments.
Last thing- planes.Soviets and germans combined would have 20.000 in 1942,more then we AA missiles.
First, it is the result of serous and mass production for the war period. Second, it simply takes 20,000 rounds to shoot down each one. That is, something as manageable as possible.

And yet, in addition to them, we have
and

I don't need to tell you, but 23mm and 35mm caliber cartridges are even cheaper.
P.S Guderian forget about 146 PT 91.Not that would save us....
These are excerpts, of a much longer study. Look at the chapters, two are missing between the T-72 and PT-24. Guess what tanks are there?
 

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A tank, to a tank is not equal.
Already the basic T-72 has armor that is sufficient to take fire from an entire company of T-54/E-50s then shoot them all down in a one-sided duel. (Let me remind you that the T-54 had a 100mm cannon and the E-50 was supposed to have a classic 88, which is definitely not enough to pierce the T-72)

This was, after all, a mass-produced junk without a fire control system or decent sights. BTW it is the Fire Control System that makes the biggest difference and is the most expensive component in a modern tank.

Without it, many more PT-24s could be produced.

Nevertheless, it is the FCS that is Poland's greatest asset allowing a battalion of Polish tanks, to annihilate entire armored regiments.

First, it is the result of serous and mass production for the war period. Second, it simply takes 20,000 rounds to shoot down each one. That is, something as manageable as possible.

And yet, in addition to them, we have
and

I don't need to tell you, but 23mm and 35mm caliber cartridges are even cheaper.

These are excerpts, of a much longer study. Look at the chapters, two are missing between the T-72 and PT-24. Guess what tanks are there?
1.You have a point

2.35mm would be good for lover attitude.If bombers decide to drop bombs from 4000m,like germans in 1939.
Our 40mm Bofors did notching to them.

I knew,that they could only bomb cities that way - but,it still would be effective.And soviets had 6000+ bombers which could be used that way in 1939.
And C weapons to use in bombs.
If you think,that sralin would care about polish cyvilian or his own slaves lifes,think again.

3.Brits Challenger 2 and german Leopard 1 for Ukraine? but,there would be not many of them.
So,it do not matter.


P.S It would be funny to troll soviets with dropping fly-scheets on their cities about coming another purge in future,which was stopped only becouse 4 brave comrades poisoned sralin...but not showing their names.
Or names of dudes who would be purged.

And continue to name him as sralin in radio and tv!

P.S Not only my idea - Andromeda,who made freat mini-movies on YouTube about Moscov,sometimes is doing the same/naming sralin as sralin/
 

Batrix2070

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3.Brits Challenger 2 and german Leopard 1 for Ukraine? but,there would be not many of them.
So,it do not matter.
Wrong, these are found in later chapters. The answer is, T-64s (the ones being refurbished at Bumar for Ukraine) and PT-91s.
I knew,that they could only bomb cities that way - but,it still would be effective.And soviets had 6000+ bombers which could be used that way in 1939.
At such heights, aviation will be lurking at them. Another thing is that the issue of bombers will be solved by destroying all airfields from which these bombers can take off.

Remember, Polish F-16s can fly all the way to Siberia with impunity. In turn, thanks to refueling planes, they can fly all the way to Lake Baikal, provided, of course, that they take off from an airfield in Vilnius.

And there is only one Soviet bomber which has a longer range than the F-16, but it won't help much, since it has to fly into the range of Polish radars anyway, and intercepting and breaking them is no big deal.
 
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Wrong, these are found in later chapters. The answer is, T-64s (the ones being refurbished at Bumar for Ukraine) and PT-91s.

At such heights, aviation will be lurking at them. Another thing is that the issue of bombers will be solved by destroying all airfields from which these bombers can take off.

Remember, Polish F-16s can fly all the way to Siberia with impunity. In turn, thanks to refueling planes, they can fly all the way to Lake Baikal, provided, of course, that they take off from an airfield in Vilnius.

And there is only one Soviet bomber which has a longer range than the F-16, but it won't help much, since it has to fly into the range of Polish radars anyway, and intercepting and breaking them is no big deal.


1.There is still 235+84+111+146+let say 100 T.64+ let say 100 Leo1 and Ch.2.All 776 tanks.
When combined soviet and german forces in 1944 would have 40.000+,with T.54 and E.50 as new one for them.

They still could win using numbers - remember,Sralin do not cared how many of his slaves would die,and Hitler was mad and could go into"Let germany burn if they could lost" zone.

And both FDR and brits would support them.

2.Planes from that times,even bombers,do not need normal airfield.
Just slighty prepared 1km long field would do - and you could not destroy them all.Not with 36 F.16.


So,i think that inly reason of ISOT would be sralin getting our technology and ruling over Earth.

Another topic - what Poland send to Japan till 1939? in OTL they fought soviets.
Did they fought soviets here,too? if so,some AT missiles would help them - we could even send Staggers from BWP1 if we still have them.

Speaking about Japan - could we send there some Boeing full of fuel with few people and computers with plans for relatively obsolate weapons?
Something which they could mass produce,like AK47,PKM,RPG 7,120mm mortars,122mm missile launchers,122mm howitzers and T.55 tanks.
Mig 17,too.
For Navy - older radars ,torpedoes and missiles.


P.S What about media? which movies and games we sell to the world till 1939? and,did we send some fans to help Tolkien and Lewis in their work?
If they deliver what they wrote till their deaths, then they could wrote other stories.
 

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1.There is still 235+84+111+146+let say 100 T.64+ let say 100 Leo1 and Ch.2.All 776 tanks.
There will be more, and there will be PT-24s to go along with it. On the other hand, it makes no difference to the Soviets or Germans. They will all mow down their armored units like grain. It will be a bigger problem for the Poles to keep their tanks in line through spare parts than that there is a threat of destroying them*.

*There are only three ways they would have a chance of destroying a modern tank, air, artillery and anti-tank mines.
Of which the first two are constantly at risk of destruction before they can do anything.
When combined soviet and german forces in 1944 would have 40.000+,with T.54 and E.50 as new one for them.
As part of mass and wartime production. I remind you that the Soviets and Germans lost in their mutual battles, a lot of vehicles. Here, on the other hand, you have a glaring disparity in quality and these 40K vehicles are not the number in the table from HOI. These are the units that have to be realistically found, driven and attacked. To make matters worse, most of this junk will be BT-7s, T-70s, T-34s or Panzer IIIs and IVs. It will take a long time before the first T-54s or E-50s make it to the front in greater numbers, only to also be epically scrapped by a random Andrzej in PT-91.

Stalin may not care about slaves, it doesn't change the fact that this will create a situation in which the attacking columns will form such a junkyard of vehicles that they will block the attack by themselves.

They still could win using numbers - remember
Only in the case of really huge numbers, otherwise we will have banging our heads against the wall. Because de facto the ratio of losses will be 1 Pole: 10,000 Soviets, and that's at best for the Soviets!
2.Planes from that times,even bombers,do not need normal airfield.
While significantly reducing the stock of bombs taken. Which will actually turn the bomber into a slightly larger IL-2.

There is a reason why the Łos in 1939 showed off so poorly,it is impossible to take off from a field airfield with a full supply of bombs! The plane will simply sink into the ground.
Another topic - what Poland send to Japan till 1939? in OTL they fought soviets.
Did they fought soviets here,too? if so,some AT missiles would help them - we could even send Staggers from BWP1 if we still have them.
First you have to pull the IJA out of China, only then think about what to arm the Japanese with to fight against the Soviets.
P.S What about media? which movies and games we sell to the world till 1939? and,did we send some fans to help Tolkien and Lewis in their work?
If they deliver what they wrote till their deaths, then they could wrote other stories.
Something, for the time being, Poland is building up its wider awareness in the world.
 
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There will be more, and there will be PT-24s to go along with it. On the other hand, it makes no difference to the Soviets or Germans. They will all mow down their armored units like grain. It will be a bigger problem for the Poles to keep their tanks in line through spare parts than that there is a threat of destroying them*.

*There are only three ways they would have a chance of destroying a modern tank, air, artillery and anti-tank mines.
Of which the first two are constantly at risk of destruction before they can do anything.

As part of mass and wartime production. I remind you that the Soviets and Germans lost in their mutual battles, a lot of vehicles. Here, on the other hand, you have a glaring disparity in quality and these 40K vehicles are not the number in the table from HOI. These are the units that have to be realistically found, driven and attacked. To make matters worse, most of this junk will be BT-7s, T-70s, T-34s or Panzer IIIs and IVs. It will take a long time before the first T-54s or E-50s make it to the front in greater numbers, only to also be epically scrapped by a random Andrzej in PT-91.

Stalin may not care about slaves, it doesn't change the fact that this will create a situation in which the attacking columns will form such a junkyard of vehicles that they will block the attack by themselves.


Only in the case of really huge numbers, otherwise we will have banging our heads against the wall. Because de facto the ratio of losses will be 1 Pole: 10,000 Soviets, and that's at best for the Soviets!

While significantly reducing the stock of bombs taken. Which will actually turn the bomber into a slightly larger IL-2.

There is a reason why the Łos in 1939 showed off so poorly,it is impossible to take off from a field airfield with a full supply of bombs! The plane will simply sink into the ground.

First you have to pull the IJA out of China, only then think about what to arm the Japanese with to fight against the Soviets.

Something, for the time being, Poland is building up its wider awareness in the world.
1.I think,that tank with 75/76mm gun could destroy modern tank from rear.

2.&3 - what i fear,that they could amass 200 dyvisions/soviets/ and 80/germans/ on our border and attack at the same time our poor 18 dyvisions.

Since our forces could not be everytching,they would brek through and continue to taking one polish town after another.
Even if each of our line dyvisions destroy 10 enemy units,rest could still go to Warsaw and other major cities.

We would simply do not have enough units to cover entire borders,when soviets could do that ,and keep attacking.


4.True,they could take 500kg bombs.But,it would be still enough for terror attacks on polish cities.

5.Japan was attacked by soviets in 1939 - if that happened,we must send them aid.Either old AT missiles,or small unit of polish elite soldiers with modern AT missiles.

6.We should go with shock - send to USA and Europe 2-3 good movies every year.Good movies from future,which,sadly,mean no polish movies.
Except Pharaoh and Deluge we do not created anything worth showing.

Japan - send them movies from Ghibli studio,and Godzilla.Kurosawa,too.
Since he arleady lived - maybe ask him to go and learn in Poland?

The same goes for other great people,like Elvis Presley for example.
I knew,he was kid,but what about polish school for him ?
 

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1.I think,that tank with 75/76mm gun could destroy modern tank from rear.
No, it can't. Not that caliber and not that kind of ammunition. You need at least a Kinetic energy penetrator one and the IIWW ones are really poor, especially since they only work effectively at close range.

By the time even one manages to come up, the entire armored corps is gone.
2.&3 - what i fear,that they could amass 200 dyvisions/soviets/ and 80/germans/ on our border and attack at the same time our poor 18 dyvisions.

Since our forces could not be everytching,they would brek through and continue to taking one polish town after another.
Even if each of our line dyvisions destroy 10 enemy units,rest could still go to Warsaw and other major cities.
Poland will not fight alone, that's primo.

Second, range and operational awareness. Polish weapons have a much greater range which they can better exploit thanks to their technical advantage regarding reconnaissance.

Third, terrain. You can't push 200 divisions just like that, the terrain limits the passability for both sides. Preferring, of course, the one that is more flexible and mobile and at the same time smaller.

Most Soviet divisions are ordinary infantry divisions, by our standards this is light infantry. They, for the most part, to get to the front, have to go on foot or from trucks. Which of course is much slower than mechanized infantry and less firepower, limited to what they can carry.

What's more, their artillery has a range of only a few kilometers, the Krab has a range of at least 20km. Before the Soviets or Germans can even reach it, it will be destroyed by the Krab. And both sides depend on artillery, without it, an infantry division turns into a militia.

More importantly, due to its range and mobility, a few dozen Crabs are able to control an area where the Soviets would have to concentrate a dozen artillery regiments.

The same goes for mechanized infantry or tanks. They, with a much smaller force, can hold a much larger area. Because, above all, in any battle, the initiative will be on the Polish side.

Each enemy unit will react more slowly, so there may be situations where entire regiments are destroyed and the commander finds out the moment no one is able to carry out his orders.

Another thing is that in case of a W, the Polish Army by nature goes into a state of mobilization. There will not be 18 divisions, there will be many more. Though less well armed.
 
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No, it can't. Not that caliber and not that kind of ammunition. You need at least a Kinetic energy penetrator one and the IIWW ones are really poor, especially since they only work effectively at close range.

By the time even one manages to come up, the entire armored corps is gone.

Poland will not fight alone, that's primo.

Second, range and operational awareness. Polish weapons have a much greater range which they can better exploit thanks to their technical advantage regarding reconnaissance.

Third, terrain. You can't push 200 divisions just like that, the terrain limits the passability for both sides. Preferring, of course, the one that is more flexible and mobile and at the same time smaller.

Most Soviet divisions are ordinary infantry divisions, by our standards this is light infantry. They, for the most part, to get to the front, have to go on foot or from trucks. Which of course is much slower than mechanized infantry and less firepower, limited to what they can carry.

What's more, their artillery has a range of only a few kilometers, the Krab has a range of at least 20km. Before the Soviets or Germans can even reach it, it will be destroyed by the Krab. And both sides depend on artillery, without it, an infantry division turns into a militia.

More importantly, due to its range and mobility, a few dozen Crabs are able to control an area where the Soviets would have to concentrate a dozen artillery regiments.

The same goes for mechanized infantry or tanks. They, with a much smaller force, can hold a much larger area. Because, above all, in any battle, the initiative will be on the Polish side.

Each enemy unit will react more slowly, so there may be situations where entire regiments are destroyed and the commander finds out the moment no one is able to carry out his orders.

Another thing is that in case of a W, the Polish Army by nature goes into a state of mobilization. There will not be 18 divisions, there will be many more. Though less well armed.
If soviets rely on themselves - yes,but even in OTL in 1941 they had 91 armored and mechanized dyvisions.
If FDR send trucks,all would be mechanized.

You are right about Krabs advantages - but we would have maybe 1000 of them.And soviet towed 152mm guns had 15km range.
I still fear situation,when we destroyed,let say,150 out of 200 soviet dyvisions,but 50 which remained take our major cities like Lwów or Wilno.

Of course,that happen if soviets could keep sending at us masses of soldiers on american trucks.
If we have friendly Japan which attack Siberia,and friendly Romania which attack their flanks,then their situation would be much worst.

Germans - they would send at us at least 100 much better then soviet dyvisions - and that would be problem,becouse even if french and czech really want help us,i doubt in their capacity.
 
Battle of Khalkhin Gol

Batrix2070

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June 30, 1938

Empire of Great Manchuria (commonly known as Manchukuo)

Bank of the Khalkhin Gol River

It was a dark night, and the moon was just forming a small crescent, only one night after the new moon. Japanese troops took advantage of this and were crossing the Khalkhin Gol River, which the Japanese considered to be the border river, although the Mongolians disagreed and believed the border lay to the east of it.

A series of incidents had occurred, starting with Mongolian cavalry entering Japanese territory and ending in their defeat, followed by a series of clashes that alarmed the Imperial General Staff. They preferred to resolve the issue peacefully, but unfortunately, General Michitaro Komatsubara ruined everything.

Seeing what was about to unfold, the general decided to accelerate the actions and launched an attack on the Mongolian-Soviet concentration before anyone could stop him.

This was a serious problem and a reason for shame for the Japanese command. They had just begun to establish broader cooperation with their Polish counterparts. How could the Poles take them seriously if their generals acted on their own without restraint?

To make matters worse, it quickly became apparent that the Poles knew from the very beginning what Komatsubara intended to do, so it couldn't be hidden from them. But that wasn't the end of the surprises; the Poles were actually very interested in seeing the Japanese Army and the Red Army in action.

They explained it by saying that some things were worth seeing with their own eyes rather than relying on historians' reports. This way, they could propose an appropriate modernization package for the Japanese Army.

For supporters of expansion into Soviet territories, this was like manna from heaven. Even if they were to lose, it wouldn't have such serious political consequences as it should. After all, they would have a unique opportunity to acquire modern technologies.

Of course, there were suggestions for the Poles to focus on the Imperial Army in China instead, but Polish Minister Rau bluntly refused. He made it clear that observing how they ruthlessly dealt with weaker parties would yield no results.

This greatly silenced the Japanese, as many powers had tried to force them into something, but none had straightforwardly told them what they thought, while lacking any sense of superiority over the Japanese.

The fact that Japan was already isolated on the international stage helped a lot. They couldn't afford to alienate a potential ally, especially one interested in providing significant assistance to strengthen Japan.

Hence, the Imperial General Staff gave General Komatsubara the green light, while also instructing him not to hide the weaknesses of the Imperial Army from the Polish specialists. Furthermore, they advised him to listen to any advice they might offer, just in case.

Komatsubara did not object to these conditions.

So, on that night, Colonel Stanisław Pazura watched the march of the Japanese troops. Several other Polish Army colonels, each specializing in a different branch, stood beside him.

He stood next to General Komatsubara, a surprisingly mild-mannered man who seemed generally downcast.

"So, it has begun. The Battle of Khalkhin Gol, an operation that will be my defeat," the general finally spoke when a significant portion of the army had crossed to the other side. He spoke in Russian, as he was fluent in the language from his time as a military attaché in Russia, back when Russia was a normal country and not a communist horror.

"Not this time, General," Pazura replied.

"Is that so?" Komatsubara was surprised. "I understand that in your boxes, you have all the orders of the 57th Corps. Nevertheless, there is a long way from knowing the orders to being able to prevent them."

"True," Pazura agreed, "but you also have our judgment." He then looked at the Polish soldiers behind him. They stood around, supporting the defense of the general. "And a few of our toys that could change the outcome of the battle."

Komatsubara nodded. "I hope your Wameito* is as effective as you say."

The colonel smiled.

July 4, 1938

Mongolian People's Republic

Bayan-Tsagan Mountain Region

The battle raged on, and the Japanese successfully surprised the Soviets, breaking through their forward guard in the meeting battle. However, they quickly got bogged down. The difficult terrain, with ravines, gorges, and hills, greatly favored the defenders.

Although there were many criticisms of the Soviets, a lack of fighting spirit was certainly not one of them, which compounded the difficulties. Meanwhile, Lieutenant General Grigory Zhukov, though not a military genius, proved to be a tough nut to crack. Especially since he took better care of logistics for his forces than Komatsubara did. He had gathered over 2600 trucks specifically for his operation, while Komatsubara had no such specialized force.

Here, Pazura saw the first deep-seated weakness of the Japanese Army, a disastrous logistical system that simply ceased to exist in such challenging and inhospitable terrain. The Imperial Army quickly turned into a suicidal force in such a case.

Literally, considering the fact that they had almost no field medicine, what was a simple and easily treatable wound for a soldier from the Second Polish Republic became a death sentence for a Japanese soldier.

What good is it if your soldiers are better than the enemy when they run out of ammunition? When they die from their wounds? Zhukov can afford riskier attacks than the Japanese because a well-functioning logistical system allows him to do more. Meanwhile, Komatsubara's hands are tied, and successive attacks inevitably deplete his units to the point that the small Soviet forces can easily defeat his troops without much effort.

The ongoing tank battle on the steppe was a perfect example of this. Soviet tanks could rely on adequate personnel and supplies, allowing them to attack more aggressively and confidently, while the Japanese constantly had to limit themselves and monitor the condition of their vehicles.

Another issue was that Zhukov simply launched over 450 tanks and armored vehicles in the counterattack, while Lieutenant General Yasuoka Masaomi, commanding the 1st Armored Corps, had only 87 vehicles at his disposal. Although he had infantry support in his favor, the Soviet tanks attacked alone, and furthermore, they were dispersed among the larger attacking forces led by Colonel Shinshiro Sumi.

Nevertheless, the situation was becoming increasingly dire.

"Do you have something to say, Pole?" greeted Colonel Ireneusz Misztal, a Polish armored officer, as he entered the headquarters. The Pole knew Japanese, so he didn't need a translator like some of his colleagues.

"Yes, I have a solution to your problem," Misztal replied, undeterred by the chilly greeting.

"What is it?" Masaomi asked bluntly. He was in a situation where he would use anything to win. Otherwise, he would be forced to withdraw across the river.

"You must come with me; your solution is waiting outside," Misztal explained.

Masaomi tore himself away from the map and followed the Pole, indicating that he should lead the way. The lieutenant colonel led him to several foreign-looking trucks. The Japanese immediately recognized them as the ones the Poles had brought. After all, they were enormous, much larger than any other truck.

Soldiers from the 64th Infantry Battalion were helping to unload the trucks.

"What's in these crates?" Masaomi asked the Pole.

Misztal approached one of them, placed it on the ground, and opened it, revealing its contents. Masaomi looked strangely at the tube lying inside.

"A gift from the Polish nation to the Japanese nation, namely the RPG-76 Komar anti-tank rocket launcher. We have a few of them because we produced them for Ukraine's needs, but now they are yours," Misztal explained.

Masaomi nodded before asking, seemingly gently but still sharply, "Then why didn't we receive them earlier? I lost a lot of men trying to stop the Soviet tanks, and you have the perfect weapon to destroy them at hand!"

"If your superior had not been so impatient and had waited, you would have received them at the right time, along with proper training. So you would have had them from the very beginning with the correct training, but now we have to improvise," Misztal explained.

Masaomi fell silent. It was a valid point.

"Fine..." the Japanese replied after a moment. "I will prepare the firing range."

"That would be nice, but I still have one more thing to show you," Misztal replied.

"What is it?" Masaomi was surprised, but the Pole once again refused to say. He gestured for him to follow.

The destination was not far, just two trucks away. Next to one of them was a truck with an anti-aircraft gun on its flatbed. By the way, the Polish contribution to air defense was valuable.

He saw Polish soldiers placing small model airplanes on the ground. Someone else set up a table and placed a strange writing machine on it. It had a flap that covered the keyboard, and that flap had a strange glass on it.

After a moment, it lit up, and Masaomi jumped slightly in surprise. The screen displayed a colorful picture of a castle by the water.

After a while, it changed, and a blue background with icons appeared. The Poles were quite engrossed in what they were doing. The one sitting at the machine was tapped on the shoulder, and Colonel Misztal said something to him, pointing at Masaomi.

The young boy nodded and said something in his crackling language.

Then Misztal turned to Masaomi. "I apologize; it will take a while, but you will soon have an interesting presentation."

"May I know what that machine is?" Masaomi said, pointing to the device on the table.

"A computer," Misztal replied.

"Computer," Masaomi repeated slowly, following the Pole's lead. It was an unfamiliar word, sounding like English.

"It's a machine used for many things, but here it serves as the control center for drones," Misztal continued.

Masaomi looked at the number of "drones" lying on the ground, then at the computer, and back at the drones before finally stating, "There are too many of them for one person to control."

"And who said a person will be doing it? They will control themselves; the operator's task is only to designate targets," Misztal replied, surprising the Japanese.

"But... how?" Masaomi asked.

The Pole shrugged. "Do you ask how ammunition flies out of a cannon and hits its target?"

"Well, no."

"Then there's no need to ask how the loitering ammunition of the Warmate can do it either," Misztal replied.

"So... it's ammunition?" Masaomi was amazed once again.

"Oh, yes. We will use it to make the Soviets' lives miserable. 100% accuracy, the only way to counter them is to shoot them down," Misztal explained.

Masaomi nodded. "I understand," then he realized, "Wait, it will probably be used by you mostly, right?"

"Yes," Misztal replied without much objection, "we will use most of them to destroy tanks, trucks, and supply points for Soviet tanks. The rest will serve as eyes in the sky, allowing you to have an unprecedented view of the situation. So you can save extremely valuable resources for attacks that will hurt."

Masaomi paid special attention to the last statement. "How much?"

Misztal blinked before considering. "From what I remember, thanks to drones, the Ukrainians managed to reduce artillery ammunition consumption by at least seven times. And any weapon, such as tanks, could shoot from a much greater distance than usual. They were able to destroy Russian tanks multiple times using indirect fire from their own tank."

Masaomi was stunned. It sounded fantastic if it was true!

"Of course, the Ukrainians have a special application... I mean a counting machine that allows the gunner to simply set it up and get the data they need. You don't have that; you have to rely on a more traditional, less effective method," Misztal continued, not noticing the state of the Japanese.

"Okay, I understand," Masaomi interrupted Misztal. "Can you show me?"

Misztal smiled and replied, "With pleasure," before giving the appropriate orders.

Five minutes later,

Another Japanese tank was blown up in the air when a 45mm shell pierced through and detonated the ammunition magazine. "Goodbye, Jap!" Artem, the BT-7 tank commander who had just accomplished that, sneered maliciously.

He then ordered the driver to reverse. He had no intention of being targeted by the remaining enemy tanks. After a brief struggle, the BT-7 moved backward, taking cover behind a hill. As soon as that happened, Artem decided to peek through the top hatch.

That's how he found out that his trick didn't work on the other three BT-7 tanks. The Japanese had destroyed them, although crews from two of them had survived and were currently retreating.

Nevertheless, more tanks were ready to strike. No wonder they had almost surrounded the Japanese from three sides, taking advantage of their numerical superiority. The only direction free from Soviets was the pontoon bridge connecting to the opposite bank, while Japanese armored units in the south were being pushed back.

Now all they needed to do was relentlessly press on the Japanese until they retreated due to losses. Not a sophisticated tactic, but considering the enemy's supply problems, an effective one.

Artem was observing the next wave of 23 BT-5 and BT-7 tanks advancing to attack the Japanese. In his opinion, they were attacking too aggressively, but with their numbers, even an inaccurate salvo would cause confusion and losses for the Japanese.

That was the case until he heard a buzzing and a whistling sound, followed by something gray swiftly crashing into the leading BT-5. After a moment, the vehicle exploded and shattered into pieces, scattering debris in all directions.

Artiom instinctively covered himself with his hands. Then, feeling no immediate threat, he started to look around. A quick glance revealed the absence of any enemies in the vicinity. He wasn't alone; other commanders also began peering through their hatches.

"What the hell was that?" he muttered to himself, only to look up when he heard the buzzing sound again.

Several small gray objects were flying in the sky, extremely difficult to notice. One circled around them, while others started descending.

As soon as Artiom realized where one of them was falling, he quickly dove down and yelled to the driver, "Forward!"

The driver followed the command, and the BT-7 swiftly moved ahead. They did it just in time, as whatever it was, instead of hitting the fighting compartment directly, struck the engine.

The tank shook, but not enough to overturn. It didn't mean things were fine; the engine mournfully whined before emitting a few alarming sounds, signaling its death.

"Damn it, we won't be going anywhere!" the driver, Ivan Gasiyenchikov, growled, futilely pressing the pedal in the vain hope that the engine would still work.

"Get out of the vehicle! Immediately!" Artiom ordered without hesitation. It didn't need to be said twice; the trio quickly exited the wrecked BT-7.

As they did so, more tanks were being destroyed or immobilized.

"What the fuck is happening?!" shouted the loader, Alexei Ammunikov, as a BT-7 right next to them exploded in the air.

"Fuck knows!" Artiom replied. "Run!" he commanded, and both tankers started sprinting, avoiding being run over by any of the tanks. Whatever was attacking them, it was solely focused on the tanks, leaving the tankers unharmed.

More lucky survivors joined the group of escapees. They all tried to get out of the firing zone as quickly as possible. More tanks and armored vehicles were destroyed without much difficulty. They only slowed down once they were out of danger.

"Did anyone see what was attacking us? I don't think it was artillery; it was too accurate," spoke the commander of another BT-7, Mikhail Pitanov.

"Something like small planes with explosive charges. They were flying above us and descending to collide with us in suicide attacks," explained Artiom.

"Small planes with explosive charges?" another tanker, Grigory Astounded, was surprised.

"Well, that was the closest association," replied Artiom.

"Doesn't matter; whatever it is, the higher-ups must know that the Japanese have such a weapon," Pitanov replied.

"Mikhail is right; we need to warn others about this damn thing," agreed Aleksandr Zgodov, another commander, this time of a BT-5.

As they had decided, they acted accordingly. The tankers swiftly moved toward their own positions. Unfortunately, when they arrived, they realized they had lost contact with the remaining units. It took a few hours for the surviving tankers to regroup with the remnants of the armored forces.

Their stories were similar—something gray from the sky struck with incredible precision and effortlessly destroyed most of the vehicles. Needless to say, Zhukov was irritated by this.

But that's a glimpse into the future; let's go back to Masaomi for a moment.

"It was..." the Colonel started to speak, but words failed him. The enemy counteroffensive against the northern group had been annihilated.

"Extremely effective?" Misztal completed the statement.

Masaomi nodded silently.

"No wonder; those tanks had no anti-aircraft protection, not even a machine gun on the turret. If they had one, the Warmats wouldn't be as effective."

"So, it's a classic scenario of unprotected ground forces being shattered by air forces," Masaomi observed.

"Yes, Zhukov threw the tanks into battle without any support, although he shouldn't have done that. If there was even just infantry, we wouldn't be able to attack and take out the tanks so easily. We'd have to allocate a few Warmats to neutralize them. But here, armor-piercing warheads, and boom, no tank."

"I understand," replied Masaomi. "Nevertheless, I wonder why you didn't blow up those tankers in the air."

"Munitions are scarce. Besides, their stories can demoralize the Soviets more effectively than even the most successful attack," explained Misztal, pointing at the folded Warmats.

There weren't many of them, of course. They didn't need that many, as one hit meant one kill. However, ammunition was scarce for the Japanese here, not to mention the Poles who had to get everything from the other side of the world.

"That makes sense," Masaomi agreed, then glanced at those seemingly insignificant little machines. Just a few people needed to operate them to end the lives of hundreds. Nothing new, really, as how is it different from machine guns? Well, there was one difference: you could always see a machine gun, so you could destroy it with artillery or tank guns.

But how do you kill enemies who could be kilometers away from the attack site, comfortably sitting in their headquarters? It's not quite in line with the principles of Bushido, but on the other hand, it is extremely effective.

He was glad that he wasn't the target of those unassuming boys operating them today.

"Alright, maybe we should return to more traditional methods of tank warfare?" Misztal asked.

Misztal agreed, saying, "I have no objections. The boys will manage on their own. It will give us time to train yours."

That brought Masaomi back to reality—the battle was not over, and the Soviets still had many machines in reserve. What's worse, if needed, they could bring in even more.

July 5, 1938

General Komatsubara's Headquarters

"General! Lieutenant General Masaomi reports that he has managed to make contact with the northern task force!" an officer reported to the headquarters. "He also requests to convey his thanks to Colonel Pazura for sending equipment assistance. The new weapons, although short-range, have proven extremely effective against enemy armored units. Colonel Sumi says the same, and he is grateful for the grenade launchers and Warmats that decimated the advancing Soviets. Without them, he would have to retreat across the river."

"Thank you," General Komatsubara replied, then turned to Pazura, who was nearby.

"Your new toys have proven remarkably useful. It's a shame they arrived so late."

"Perhaps you should blame only yourself for your... independence. If not for that, you could have received all the planned assistance right away," Pazura diplomatically but accusatively replied. However, Komatsubara was grateful and didn't take it to heart.

"I understand your point, and I must agree," he said in a humble tone, then asked, "But I hope this is not the only assistance."

"No, I just received information that Groms and Strzałes have been loaded onto a train and are heading this way. The Jelcz trucks have to go back to transport the wounded and will return with that equipment."

„Guromu? Sutorowa?" Komatsubara replied, attempting to pronounce the Polish words.

Pazura involuntarily snorted at the question before composing himself and answering, "They are similar launchers to the RPG-76 Komar, but they are used to shoot down aircraft. They work on the same principle as the Warmats, although no one controls the projectile, as it guides itself."

"I understand." It sounded useful, considering the impressive accuracy and effectiveness demonstrated by the Warmats during the small presentation. He believed Pazura's word on this.

"Alright, let's get back to your proposals and solving our problems. How should we organize these motorized columns?" the General changed the subject, returning to what they were discussing before being interrupted.

Pazura, with the assistance of a few other officers, continued the briefing.
 

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It'll be interesting to see how anti air weapons operate against some of the biplanes and other primitive planes without metal skins or the high heat signatures of jets.
 
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Batrix2070

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It'll be interesting to see how anti air weapons operate against some of the biplanes and other primitive planes without metal skins or the high heat signatures of jets.
Looking at how Groms and Pioruns are extremely sensitive to heat. And how they handle everything that flies in Ukraine. And to technological advances.

It's not likely to be problematic, in fact, everything from this period shines like a dog's egg for the missiles, especially the Pioruns which have been upgraded to detect heat even better at a distance and deal with drones. Although I have an idea who will be shown as the first, significant victim of Polish MANPADS.
 

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Looking at how Groms and Pioruns are extremely sensitive to heat. And how they handle everything that flies in Ukraine. And to technological advances.

It's not likely to be problematic, in fact, everything from this period shines like a dog's egg for the missiles, especially the Pioruns which have been upgraded to detect heat even better at a distance and deal with drones. Although I have an idea who will be shown as the first, significant victim of Polish MANPADS.
Most likely true.We could send them few batteries of Crabs,too.
Since bets newest soviet gus had 15km range,they could massacre them with inpunity using normal ammo/30km/ and drones.

But do not send tanks,unless they agree to take entire Siberia.Which was possible - soviets had one railroad to supply their armies there.Send One F.16 to destroy critical bridges,and they are fucked.
If we send Japan one battalion of T.72 then,it would be enough to take entire Siberia.

About Warmate - they are making Warmate 2 with better range and load,and some bigger machine,Manta i think.

AT - if our old army had some AT rifles,we could send all to Japan.And 37mm Bofors,too.
I knew! plans for 57mm AT gun, Japan could made them by itself.Good enough for everytching Allies could have till 1945.
And Japan could use it on their Type 97 so-called medium tank.

AA - except Groms,send 23mm guns.Maybe sell them plans for old soviet 57mm guns,too?
to be honest,we could start making them again,too.

P.S We could suggest Japan that their turn fighters like Zero and Ki43 are dead end,and suggest making Ki84.
Or propose our new Jastrząb fighters.

P.P.S - During first day of Chałchyn goł battle soviets aces made miracle - they schoot down 29/31 japaneese fighters.
Why miracle? Japan had there 16 fighters,and lost 5.......
 
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Did the Anakonda-24 Exercises numbers of Polish Armored Vehicles take into consideration the non-Polish NATO forces tanks and other heavy equipment forward deployed into the country as well?
 
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Did the Anakonda-24 Exercises numbers of Polish Armored Vehicles take into consideration the non-Polish NATO forces tanks and other heavy equipment forward deployed into the country as well?
No, the only units that practiced were strictly Polish. The other Natov forces practiced separately in smaller regional exercises without foreign observers. And their equipment and numbers are covered by military secrecy. (Read, I don't know how many there are, but I'll be able to pull more out of my hat. For this reason, the status of the Abrams, for example, is understated, as it represents only Polish training Ambras and those of the 116 Abrams delivered in 2023. Missing by an eye, 85, but I need to make sure exactly how many American armored personnel are with us).
 

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