Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[TheRejectionist]

And yet that's not what's said there exactly, please do not bullshit me, it makes me even less likely to trust anything you say than i already do.

Everything that contradicts you is bullshit to you.

 

[Marduk]

Everything that contradicts you is bullshit to you.

If i was accepting anything that contradicts me on such spurious arguments as you offer, i would have to be a mindless contrarian with opinions thrown around by every random shill and troll in existence. So sod off with that shit, if i bother to have opinions on something it generally means i did at least some research on it.

 

[Aaron Fox]

If you ever had a 15 minute talk with a Russian nationalist (preferably about immigration policy), you would get a different impression.
But that would ruin your narrative...

From my understanding, they're very British regarding how ethnicities are treated...

Russians are just slightly less low in the hierarchy than the other groups, rathern than 1950's USA it's much closer to modern China where while Han are preferred by the government, the CCP are the real "ruling class" and Han who don't act like the CCP rule is the bestest and greatest despite all the evidence to the contrary will still be treated like crap, and those who aren't connected to the CCP still don't get much say or rights anyway even if they don't say shit CCP doesn't like.

What history book did you read that load of BS out of? The pre-Civil Rights US wasn't anything like the dynasties of China, where the Han were preferred and allowed other ethnic groups into the system. The US's ethnic history repeats the British treatment of various non-British ethnic groups, where indifference is the best-case scenario. The various ethnic groups outside of the WASPs were suppressed at best via legal (and in quite a few areas -especially the South- illegal) means.

Those who consider him their idol are silly, and those who consider him their supporter are clinically retarded - he would order them killed them in the nastiest ways if the western governments offered him some favors for it.

That's true, but they're so scared that their status is going away that they would go stupid.

I suppose Eastern Orthodox could arguably be considered Protestant, but I don't think it really makes sense to do this with denominations predating the European Reformation.

One of those 'yes and no' things that show up. Eastern Orthodox can be 'square-circled' into WASP because it isn't Catholic/Norman.

 

[TheRejectionist]

If i was accepting anything that contradicts me on such spurious arguments as you offer, i would have to be a mindless contrarian with opinions thrown around by every random shill and troll in existence. So sod off with that shit, if i bother to have opinions on something it generally means i did at least some research on it.

The only thing that is spurious is your belief that you are always right along with your inability to act in an educated manner in a debate instead of using sod off as a counter-argument like the average Euro-American left of center individual who graduated in philosophy or liberal arts.

 

[Marduk]

From my understanding, they're very British regarding how ethnicities are treated...

>Russians
>Being British
Dude, Russians downright despise the "Anglo-Saxons" and everything they stand for.

What history book did you read that load of BS out of? The pre-Civil Rights US wasn't anything like the dynasties of China, where the Han were preferred and allowed other ethnic groups into the system.

And that's why i compared Russia to them, not USA, learn to fucking read.

One of those 'yes and no' things that show up. Eastern Orthodox can be 'square-circled' into WASP because it isn't Catholic/Norman.

Well if your silly narrative *really* needs them to be, sure, but i don't give a damn about your pet narrative.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

... yes. Largely because Russia is everything they like. Like Anti-Gay, WASP supremacy, and similar. It isn't surprising that many right-wing (the left-wing, outside of a handful of exceptions, have universally condemned Russia for decades, some of whom saw this coming) groups consider Russia their Mecca.

They're resisting the inevitability of the consensus going 'left', so they're going full Ommadon (of The Flight of Dragons fame) against the strongest thing of all: inevitability. Putin, in this case, is their idol and their biggest supporter. They're going to simply delay the inevitable, and get crushed by inevitability all the same while generating a lot of bodybags in the process.

WTF does russia have to do with the so-called "WASPs"?

WASPs dont even run america, how do they run Russia?

 

[Marduk]

The only thing that is spurious is your belief that you are always right along with your inability to act in an educated manner in a debate instead of using sod off as a counter-argument like the average Euro-American left of center individual who graduated in philosophy or liberal arts.

>belief that i'm always right
If i'm not always right, why are you always wrong in our spats?

Then prove me wrong instead of whining like the average 20 year old leftist activist about evil right wingers not acting open minded towards their pet bullshit theories.

Our previous discussions about your defenses of various leftist media outlets and governments should be more than enough to show you that my trust towards your words is not just zero, but well within negative values.
It gets only worse. if that's even possible, when you use spurious bullshit to try push the Russian propaganda from Ukraine war in a fairly unrelated thread, your views on which are well familiar to me, and greatly disagreeable.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Russia is Slavic and orthodox, not Germanic and protestant. Two completely different peoples in that regard.

 

[strunkenwhite]

Russia is Slavic and orthodox, not Germanic and protestant. Two completely different peoples in that regard.

Ah but you see part of Aaron's case is that the people he's talking about are both retarded and desperate, that's how "WASP" can include Italians, and once you go that far why not have "Protestant" Orthodox?

 

[TheRejectionist]

>belief that i'm always right
If i'm not always right, why are you always wrong in our spats?

To you I am always wrong.

Then prove me wrong instead of whining like the average 20 year old leftist activist about evil right wingers not acting open minded towards their pet bullshit theories.

A good argument stay a good argument regardless of who's saying it, or what is their political orientation.

Our previous discussions about your defenses of various leftist media outlets and governments should be more than enough to show you that my trust towards your words is not just zero, but well within negative values.

That again. To you everything is leftist.

Firstly, you assume I am leftist because I have shared leftist post in the past, which wasn't always the case. You don't see me celebrate-sharing fucking Lula in Brazil or the current Italian opposition, which I would gladly give the same treatment Romania's last dictator had.
Secondly, does it really matter you trust me? No, thankfully the Sietch has revelead itself not to be a right of center purity spiral of screeching madness. But probably if it was up to you it would look like alternatehistory.com , just on the opposite of the political spectrum.

 

[Zachowon]

I'd be more worried about another Ukrainian false flag to draw NATO into protesting them and starting WW3.

It wasn't a false flag though.
It wasn't until Poland showed what it was that Ukraine was like "oh hey that was our bad" because they truly thought it was Russian.
I find it funny that you try to use it as a False Flag when the Polish didnt twje to it but yet still support Ukraine to the end, even saying potential to send troops

You seem to be misapprehending the dissent as an attempt to shift blame away from Russia, whereas in truth grossly negligent mismanagement of the dam to the point that it failed due to same would still make the dam failure entirely Russia's fault.

From Sitrep for Jun. 8-10, 2023 (as of 08:00 a.m.):
Satellite images from May 2023 show water overflowing above the gates, indicating that the water level has exceeded even the surcharge reservoir level (16.6 m for the Kakhovka HPP, while the actual level reached 17.5 m in recent weeks). Furthermore, for eight months, water discharge occurred at one location near the main generator hall of the HPP, causing the dam to deteriorate. The gradual collapse of the road, as observed in the images from Jun. 2 to Jun. 5, which was previously slightly damaged due to shelling, according to an expert, indicates the gradual failure of the dam. The expert also believes that the explosions captured on the videos are too weak to cause significant damage to the dam. Even the explosion conducted by Russian forces in November could have only damaged the gate control mechanisms but not the structure itself.

US officials claim that a satellite equipped with infrared sensors captured an image consistent with a large explosion just before the dam collapsed. However, no specific time is mentioned. If it implies 2:50 a.m. local time (the time of explosion stated by Zelenskyy), it contradicts the reports of local residents about explosions half an hour before that.

Norwegian scientists found seismic shocks emanating from the area of Nova Kakhovka at 2:54 a.m., which they interpret as the aftermath of an explosion. However, this time also does not correspond to reports from local residents and the timestamp on thermal imaging video footage from Russian servicemen, showing that at 2:46 a.m. the dam was already destroyed but the main generator hall was still intact. This begs the question whether these seismic oscillations could have been caused by the destruction of the dam and the fall of a huge mass of water.

The anonymous engineers in The New York Times article claiming that if failure had occurred due to excessively high water levels, then the destruction would have started from the sides (where the dam meets the banks) — we assume they did not see satellite images and did not take into account how water discharge took place over the previous eight months.

Another expert we contacted for comment, a candidate of technical sciences in a relevant specialty, also confirmed that improper operation of the spillway observed on satellite images is an extremely serious problem which could have led to the breach of the Kakhovka dam.

Or if you prefer video, here's a guy who seems to have independently come to the same conclusion:

(7:24 to skip the groundwork)

The US Government won't give exact times because it gives away capabilities.

But I don't think it was negligence.

 

[Emperor Tippy]

"Russia blew up their own pipeline".

Gazprom likely actually. The pipeline getting blown up activates the "Act of War" clause in their contracts with Germany and gets the off the hook from having to pay Germany market rate for Natural Gas.

If the pipeline was just turned off but still intact then Gazprom would have been contractually obligated to give Germany shit tons of money.

 

[Bacle]

Hey, this is pretty cool; Ukraine should them back to the UK; museums would love to have a bunch of new Hurricanes to display.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Hey, this is pretty cool; Ukraine should them back to the UK; museums would love to have a bunch of new Hurricanes to display.

The British have very little interest in museum pieces that aren’t other people’s stuff, hence the collection of the British Museum.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

The British have very little interest in museum pieces that aren’t other people’s stuff, hence the collection of the British Museum.

Strangely enough, the people who originally had most of the things in there had even less interest in them than we did. Hence why they sold them to us.

Either that or we dug up the shit ourselves.

That aside, I would believe there's a whole load of RAF museums who'd be interested in the parts.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Well,i could do better -
UKRAINE WOULD FALL ! Someday. Certainly during next 2000 years !

Much sooner it seems. Got this update on the Armed Forces of Ukraine.



They've all been killed. 😔

Which explains why they are so demoralized and on the verge of collapse. Being dead will do that to almost anyone.

 

[Marduk]

Much sooner it seems. Got this update on the Armed Forces of Ukraine.



They've all been killed. 😔

Which explains why they are so demoralized and on the verge of collapse. Being dead will do that to almost anyone.

Not only they are zombies from NATO biolabs, they are demoralized too! This abuse of the undead must stop!
Though as many fantasy games taught me, zombies don't have a morale meter so that may not mean much.

 

[ATP]

Much sooner it seems. Got this update on the Armed Forces of Ukraine.



They've all been killed. 😔

Which explains why they are so demoralized and on the verge of collapse. Being dead will do that to almost anyone.

No,they are only collapsing now,so they would be killed later.Pity,i always wonted to see demoralized zombie!

Not only they are zombies from NATO biolabs, they are demoralized too! This abuse of the undead must stop!
Though as many fantasy games taught me, zombies don't have a morale meter so that may not mean much.

Yep,i temember some old WF sesion when unit of zombies take down elite Bretonnian calvary unit.
But,that mean Ukrainian victory here !
what next? aliens usually molested japaneese teenagers,would ukrainian zombie do the same ?

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Much sooner it seems. Got this update on the Armed Forces of Ukraine.



They've all been killed. 😔

Which explains why they are so demoralized and on the verge of collapse. Being dead will do that to almost anyone.

The most baffling thing about this war is the sheer emotional investment talking heads on the Right have in a Ukrainian defeat. By this point a lot of it must be sunk cost fallacy.

 

[Cherico]

The most baffling thing about this war is the sheer emotional investment talking heads on the Right have in a Ukrainian defeat. By this point a lot of it must be sunk cost fallacy.

Most of the right just doesn't care.

And quite a few boomers on the right just sees this a unfinished business from the cold war and wants Russias guys ripped out.

Most people are just exhausted from 20 years of non stop war.