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Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

planefag

A Flying Bundle of Sticks
Can we stop arguing about definitions? It's a waste of everyone's time.

Of course it is, which is why everyone who tried to do it was making a mistake. Have you noticed how we went from "America is bad at wars because of those COIN things!" to "Okay, show me a military defeat in a COIN conflict," and the reply was "well POLITICS is war!" so now the argument is "the US is bad at military operations because of something that has literally nothing to do with their military operations."

It's copenick logic. Same shit they've done for over a century, classic leftist tactics - sophistry, gaslighting, etc. You're wasting your energy unless you treat them like yappy little dogs you're trying to fake out by throwing a superball, but - surprise! it was still in your hand!
 

Megadeath

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Of course it is, which is why everyone who tried to do it was making a mistake. Have you noticed how we went from "America is bad at wars because of those COIN things!" to "Okay, show me a military defeat in a COIN conflict," and the reply was "well POLITICS is war!" so now the argument is "the US is bad at military operations because of something that has literally nothing to do with their military operations."

It's copenick logic. Same shit they've done for over a century, classic leftist tactics - sophistry, gaslighting, etc. You're wasting your energy unless you treat them like yappy little dogs you're trying to fake out by throwing a superball, but - surprise! it was still in your hand!
Pretty sure I'm the most "leftist" person here, and I'm trying to shout the loudest against the dumb. Stupidity and bad arguments are not delineated by an overly simplistic interpretation of political views. The rest though, yeah, that's a pretty good summation.

Victory is defined by the objectives. If the objective was that Afghanistan does not intentionally harbor terrorists bent on targeting America, then perhaps the events that transpired are a victory from that perspective. But I think it's clear that other objectives were being pursued over the past decade that were not achieved, thus no victory there.

If one takes the position that the objectives being pursued were not particularly helpful to American national security, then the withdrawal, with or without its problems, was simply the cessation of throwing good money (and lives) after bad. This would be a good thing, considering the alternative (not stopping), but I don't think "victory" is a word I'd really apply here outside the context of it being a victory for the supporters of ending the pointless misadventure and a defeat of the supporters of continuing it.
That's eloquent, correct and reasonably intelligent, but it's still a dodge. The military did achieve their objectives. America as a country did not achieve their objectives.
 
Please keep the discussion relevant.

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Alright guys! Just a friendly reminder to stay on topic and not to continue pointless derails off subject, this is already a derail thread do we have too seriously made a derail thread for it?

So please try to stay relevant and on topic of the initial derail discussion.
 

Agent23

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Alright guys! Just a friendly reminder to stay on topic and not to continue pointless derails off subject, this is already a derail thread do we have too seriously made a derail thread for it?

So please try to stay relevant and on topic of the initial derail discussion.
This derail thread is probably as long as the OT.Lol.
In any case, the whole discussion on Conservatism/right of centrism vs. globalist neoliberalism/socialism is probably pretty close to everyone's hearts, and a thread on that would probably be nice.

Anywaaays, back on topic:

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No idea if this is a trap or reverse trap, tbh.

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ATP

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I cant speak as to thier overall strategy everywhere, but thier goal in the donbass is grind up the best of the Ukrainian cadre with artillery, wreck their gear and slowly, systematically advance. I imagine once the Ukrainians have been exhausted enough, they will try for a full breakthrough. The strategy seems to be working, because that blob moving south of Izyum is growing.

It means taking Donbas in 2023,or even later.And,in that time,ukrainians would retake Chersoń and other taken places,and wreck kgbstan interior.
Soviets could do such things thanks to USA Lend-Lease,but now it is going to Ukraine.
 

AnimalNoodles

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It means taking Donbas in 2023,or even later.And,in that time,ukrainians would retake Chersoń and other taken places,and wreck kgbstan interior.
Soviets could do such things thanks to USA Lend-Lease,but now it is going to Ukraine.

No. the Ukrainian resistance in Donbass will crumble at first slowly, then all at once. They cant really replace the trained cadre that are being chewed up. It took 8 years to create the army that is trapped there, and as its being degraded, it is being replaced with hastily trained conscripts.
 

The Whispering Monk

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No. the Ukrainian resistance in Donbass will crumble at first slowly, then all at once. They cant really replace the trained cadre that are being chewed up. It took 8 years to create the army that is trapped there, and as its being degraded, it is being replaced with hastily trained conscripts.
'Trained' happens pretty quickly for those in an active battlefield...for those that survive. Historically, most of the casualties will be among the FNGs brought into the unit.

The Ukrainian units will remain 'experienced' for a lot longer than you are thinking. At least til they're wiped out. Even then you'll likely see a number of guerilla unita form from the cadre that's left.
 

strunkenwhite

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No. the Ukrainian resistance in Donbass will crumble at first slowly, then all at once. They cant really replace the trained cadre that are being chewed up. It took 8 years to create the army that is trapped there, and as its being degraded, it is being replaced with hastily trained conscripts.
And you figure Russia won't have similar trouble because they're already down to half-trained conscripts?

P.S. What do you mean "trapped"?
 

Zachowon

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Why? Because Russian Conscripts were the first ones I to the fire and Putin was not happy about it? What do you have when you are Not allowed to use conscripts?
Ukrainian side soon posted pictures from the ground to show that Russians hit agricultural warehouse. Their cleanup crews might have missed a detail or two though


In general, warehouses seem to rather unhealthy buildings in these times




That is according Ukrainian propaganda, according to Russian propaganda it is exactly the opposite.
I mean both sides have lost plenty of trained and untrained forces.
We won't know how any till many years later.
Though, we know Russia can't send conscripts and after getting told about it all have seemed to not be showing up by either side..
 

ATP

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No. the Ukrainian resistance in Donbass will crumble at first slowly, then all at once. They cant really replace the trained cadre that are being chewed up. It took 8 years to create the army that is trapped there, and as its being degraded, it is being replaced with hastily trained conscripts.
Possible - if Moscov mobilize reserve and send them to meatgrinder.Then,and only then,they could win,not with current numbers.
Their other options are nukes,and considering that Ukraine do not have nukes,Moscov eventually would use them.
But - first they try reserve.It is rather silly to nuke peope who do not really exist and are fellow russian,after all.
At least,according to Putin propaganda.It seems,that he really belive in his own shit.
 

planefag

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Alright guys! Just a friendly reminder to stay on topic and not to continue pointless derails off subject, this is already a derail thread do we have too seriously made a derail thread for it?

So please try to stay relevant and on topic of the initial derail discussion.

We must rigorously adhere to on-topic conversation even when it involves humoring leftists making excuses for rampant genocide. Under no circumstances should we distanmax. That is to say, we should, under no circumstances, extrude contempt so powerful that it is a repellent force; that conveys righteous hatred so powerful it evicts these animals from the mortal sphere. Under no fucking circumstances should our tolerance have limits and our forgiveness have conditions even as they cheer on rape, genocide, and murder.

Take a stand, motherfucker.

EDIT: Having thought carefully about my above words, I only want to say:

they stand
 

Free-Stater 101

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We must rigorously adhere to on-topic conversation even when it involves humoring leftists making excuses for rampant genocide. Under no circumstances should we distanmax. That is to say, we should, under no circumstances, extrude contempt so powerful that it is a repellent force; that conveys righteous hatred so powerful it evicts these animals from the mortal sphere. Under no fucking circumstances should our tolerance have limits and our forgiveness have conditions even as they cheer on rape, genocide, and murder.

Take a stand, motherfucker.

EDIT: Having thought carefully about my above words, I only want to say:

they stand
... @planefag are you drinking again?...
 

Agent23

Evrogopnik MRA ant-SJW
... @planefag are you drinking again?...
You do realize you are trying to make sense of a willing denizen of Tumblr, right?

EDIT: ahem, anyways, back on topic
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I am of the opinion that something as incredibly cute as this can not possibly be a boy, and that most Astolfo cosplays are actually done by tomboys!

Change my mind!
 
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Agent23

Evrogopnik MRA ant-SJW
Seriously mate, alcoholism won't solve anything, I saw too many people who took this path into abyss. You won't influence this war the slightest by obsessively poring through the news, you can take time off for your own health.
Using Tumblr already inflicts debilitating mental damage IMHO, that platform guarantees issues.
Also, you will be surprised how little you need alcohol if you do some keto and go without it for a good, long while.
I haven't had any in nearly a year and I'd drink a guiness a day, along with whiskey, rum and wine on occasion.
But really, carbohydrate addiction is very bad for you.

Anyways, on topic:
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I believe Felix was once considered the prime competition to Astolfo.
 

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