Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[Buba]

I mean, the money being used is sized money from Russian millionaires who are basically the ones who have been funding the Russian military

Which means that it is OK for a country to seize all assets held by US companies as these corporations fund the electoral campaigns of evul!politicians X, Y and Z, who vote to fund the US military which kills innocent e.g. Afgans. Or dolphins. Or rainforests. Or whatever.
And the proceeds of that seizure can by used to fund "free the weed!" activists from the Sinaloa Cartel, Antifa, Taliba, or some other like organisation.
Mote in my eye, beam in yours ...

I know that what I wrote is slightly OTT - but I hope it gets the message across.

And you are surprised why more and more nations are running away from the dollar.

More a case of "yet another reason not to invest in USA/keep money there".

 

[Marduk]

This is theft. And adding insult to injury.
Yet nothing new, Great Powers have been doing this since like forever.

Is it theft if you take money from a notorious thief? Tough question, especially on the semi-wild territory of international arena.
This is Cold War shit, not theft per se.

Russia ‘steals’ 150 planes leased from foreign owners

State-backed airlines are accused of transferring aircraft held hostage since war in Ukraine

www.telegraph.co.uk

Which means that it is OK for a country to seize all assets held by US companies as these corporations fund the electoral campaigns of evul!politicians X, Y and Z, who vote to fund the US military which kills innocent e.g. Afgans. Or dolphins. Or rainforests. Or whatever.
And the proceeds of that seizure can by used to fund "free the weed!" activists from the Sinaloa Cartel, Antifa, Taliba, or some other like organisation.
Mote in my eye, beam in yours ...

I know that what I wrote is slightly OTT - but I hope it gets the message across.



More a case of "yet another reason not to invest in USA/keep money there".

Frankly, that would be a long delayed necessary reminder for US companies to think more about things that matter (like where they do business, where they keep assets, and what are the geopolitical stances of these places) instead of unimportant things like diversity policies.
And Russia is way ahead of ya.

Russia plans to seize assets of western companies that pull out

Vladimir Putin prepares economic retaliation for western sanctions, including laws to impound $10bn of leased airline jets

www.theguardian.com

 

[paulobrito]

After the US and Cº seized 300 billion dollars+ of Russian reserves, is just fair game.

 

[Marduk]

After the US and Cº seized 300 billion dollars+ of Russian reserves, is just fair game.

You have missed my point. When it comes to "sub-military" assholery between countries, there is no such thing as fair and not fair, there are only power, deals and conflict or lack of it.
There may be many rules, formal and customary, to manage that, but when shit happens, those rules can go out of the window very quickly, and in case of Russia-West relations, much shit has most definitely happened.
This is in fact a quite timely alarm bell before serious shit starts happening with China because the impact of that will be 100x bigger.

 

[Zachowon]

FTFY. Probably trillionaires by now if you're counting in rubles tho

Very ttue

After the US and Cº seized 300 billion dollars+ of Russian reserves, is just fair game.

Shouldn't have invaded Ukraine Russia.

 

[Aldarion]

Which means that it is OK for a country to seize all assets held by US companies as these corporations fund the electoral campaigns of evul!politicians X, Y and Z, who vote to fund the US military which kills innocent e.g. Afgans. Or dolphins. Or rainforests. Or whatever.
And the proceeds of that seizure can by used to fund "free the weed!" activists from the Sinaloa Cartel, Antifa, Taliba, or some other like organisation.

Yes, it is. If a country or organization is financing undesireable activities in another country, latter country is fully justified in siezing all of its assets.

Of course, US will never admit that, as that would mean that all US-funded so-called "human rights organizations" would get banned.

 

[Marduk]

Yes, it is. If a country or organization is financing undesireable activities in another country, latter country is fully justified in siezing all of its assets.

Of course, US will never admit that, as that would mean that all US-funded so-called "human rights organizations" would get banned.

They often do. And other countries doing it is also not uncommon (see Russian and Chinese shill media). But there's the thing, they usually are private, at least formally, entities with little in the way of assets, so there is a lot of plausible deniability and not much loss.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

They often do. And other countries doing it is also not uncommon (see Russian and Chinese shill media). But there's the thing, they usually are private, at least formally, entities with little in the way of assets, so there is a lot of plausible deniability and not much loss.

Pretty sure both Russia and China fund Antifa to destabilize the competition.

 

[Bacle]

 

[Carrot of Truth]

Nice to see the pressure on this French company was enough to keep them from going back into the Russian market.

They will just wait awhile and quietly reenter the Russian market. Russia may not be a big market for most things, but it is full of paying drunks.

 

[Zachowon]

Yeah, but I doubt Absolut is a favorite in russia

 

[Husky_Khan]

Combat footage alleged to be from Bakhmut recently.







Tanks certainly ain't obsolete.

Weird... not sure why the links are saying unavailable.

Ukraine has unblocked another road into Bahkmut with their latest local counter-attacks.

This is an escalation. Ukraine should be careful.

 

[Jormungandr]

@AnimalNoodles "Bakhmut will be taken any day now."

No, we're not letting you live this one down.

Also, I find it hilarious Russia seems to think we give a shit what they think about us sending Stormshadows over.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

@AnimalNoodles "Bakhmut will be taken any day now."

No, we're not letting you live this one down.

He probably thinks Steiner’s attack will bring it under control.

The Ukrainian Army could be at the gates of Moscow and he’d still be saying “any day now.”

 

[Bacle]

He probably thinks Steiner’s attack will bring it under control.

The Ukrainian Army could be at the gates of Moscow and he’d still be saying “any day now.”

Ukraine won't go for Moscow itself; now Belgorod or Rostov-on-Don, the logistical hubs that allow Russia to prosecute their invasion, those may be fair game.

As Ziehan pointed out, those are the two cities that most directly aid the front-line and Rostov also control's Moscow's access to the Caucuses/Chechenya, and the Russian side of the Kerch Straight

If Ukraine wanted to help Chechnya/Dagestan break free, they could probably do it.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Ukraine won't go for Moscow itself; now Belgorod or Rostov-on-Don, the logistical hubs that allow Russia to prosecute their invasion, those may be fair game.

Belgorod Peoples Republic.

 

[Jormungandr]

It would be incredibly ironic: Russia's goals were to expand itself and create another defensible barrier along geological lines, like it did in ages past with the Russian Empire and Soviet Union.

Instead, they united the world against them, lost allies and friendships, nations that were neutral have now joined NATO on their own fucking borders, they are in basically ruins, and are likely to lose a lot of their own territory, if Ukraine does push that far.

I expect the history books will call this "Putin's Folly".

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Maybe the end-state is that Russia is forced to carve out territory from current Russian land in order to create new border states...

 

[Carrot of Truth]

Pretty sure Russia would start using nuclear weapons before sacrificing its own current territory.

 

[lloyd007]

It would be incredibly ironic: Russia's goals were to expand itself and create another defensible barrier along geological lines, like it did in ages past with the Russian Empire and Soviet Union.

Instead, they united the world against them, lost allies and friendships, nations that were neutral have now joined NATO on their own fucking borders, they are in basically ruins, and are likely to lose a lot of their own territory, if Ukraine does push that far.

I expect the history books will call this "Putin's Folly".

I'm more and more convinced their primary miscalculation beyond all their military problem was how uniquely and utterly weak President Hairsniffer is personally and how charismatic Zelinsky is.

They thought after the US's disgraceful humiliation at the hands of the Taliban that they could just walk in since no one would stop em and... well... that's what happened for the first months where they botched half the invasion... they could and did just regroup to fight it out 'conventionally' where they were slowly but surely grinding the Ukrainians to dust with their massive artillery advantage pre HIMARS.

But they weren't the only ones to realize Hairsniffer is a cardboard cutout of his former plagiarist creep self, literally the entire fking world's leadership knows this including Zelinsky, who saw the US leaderless and started asking for everything he could get. And which he's gotten more and more since he knows how to act. And since we're in a real life 'Wag the Dog' scenario where it's just money and stuff for the US... and most of that money's going to our MIC... well... it's honestly kinda funny seeing how utterly pathetic France's and Germany's leadership also has been considering how unhappy they reveal they are constantly at their diplomacy being shackled to DC and therefore Kyiv.

Pretty much any other person being US President, even Willie Brown's Whore aka Kamala Harris would've gotten offended or tired or maybe even apprehensive at Putin's threats and actions on the world stage... but Biden's shaking hands with thin air and since no US soldiers under the banner of the US have died... well... without martyrs/'martyrs' a cause has little traction and those who are anti-war basically don't have any for this war. Yeah we're drawing down on our own stockpiles, sure, but we can make more and until the Chicoms go for the brass ring... that's not the best argument.

And on the flipside, if Ukraine didn't have Zelinsky as President I don't think any of their previous Presidents nor many of their other politicians would've been able to keep the Ukraine war as the 'current thing' in the world's consciousness for nearly as long as he has. The fact that he's Jewish with Putin broadcasting to the world that this Super Duper Special Military Operation was 'denazification' was just *chef's kiss*.