Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[Agent23]

Google Deletes Oliver Stone Documentary "Ukraine on Fire", Western Government and NATO Afraid of Truth? - The Last Refuge

In a remarkable display of propaganda and Big Tech effort to erase history, thereby shaping public opinion, YouTube, which is owned by Google Inc, has deleted the award-winning Oliver Stone documentary “Ukraine on Fire.” Apparently, the truth about the history of Ukraine is against the...

theconservativetreehouse.com

I think it should still be up on rumble and bitchute.

Edit:

Ukraine On Fire - Oliver Stone - 2016

Ukraine. Across its eastern border is Russia and to its west-Europe. For centuries, it has been at the center of a tug-of-war between powers seeking to control its rich lands and access to the Black S

rumble.com

 

[BlackDragon98]

And you can try to argue "both sides" and "what about" all you want, the fact is Russian troops intentionally fired on civilians and killed them, while conducting a war of aggression on the country those civilians were citizens of.

It's actually Ukrainian forces intentionally firing on their own people, mistaking them for "Russian saboteurs".

Ukraine started the war when they oppressed and then began to actively genocide the people in the Donbass area.

And since the end of active hostilities in 2017, continued to kill and injure civilians of the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics.

Conflict-related civilian casualties as of 31 December 2021 (rev 27 January 2022) corr EN_0.pdf (un.org)

Even the UN admits that 81.4% of civilian casualties were those living in the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics.

Most likely it was the Azov battalion.

Hospital seemed to be empty and evacuated, with zero medical equipment seen in the footage.

Azov then targets the place with their own arty or place bombs in the courtyard.

Blame is then placed on the Russians, which helps the Ukrop-fascist propaganda department, and the Russians are denied a medical facility for treating their own wounded when the take Mauripol in the coming days.

 

[Captain X]

It's actually Ukrainian forces intentionally firing on their own people, mistaking them for "Russian saboteurs".

Based on what? Or are you just making stuff up? Because, again, Russia is not justified in this invasion, no matter how much you want to fantasize they are some force of good here.

 

[Vaermina]

Most likely it was the Azov battalion.

Hospital seemed to be empty and evacuated, with zero medical equipment seen in the footage.

Azov then targets the place with their own arty or place bombs in the courtyard.

Blame is then placed on the Russians, which helps the Ukrop-fascist propaganda department, and the Russians are denied a medical facility for treating their own wounded when the take Mauripol in the coming days.

I am going to guess you missed the "Air Strike" part...

Also no, it was very clearly not empty...

 

[Agent23]

Ahh so that is our plan give the Russians officers trained in gender studies and have them destroy Russians military like they did ours.

My theory about this guy being more devious and in bed with Putin just might have a grain of truth after all.
Maybe he doesn't like ponies or nazi buttsex that much after all.

We will have to wait and see, I guess.

The faces of some people when/if all those weapons start falling in the hands of the other enemies of the Blob though, will be delicious.

Best thing though would be that the Russians and Donbass will have deniability.

"Who, us?No, you are mistaking us for your old freinds that we yeeted into western Europe, talk to them."

 

[Agent23]

Not to fear everyone, Kamala is going to solve the Ukraine crisis the same way she solved the crisis on the US Southern Border...by ignoring it and probably making it worse.

Well, maybe Brandon wants to make Poland join forces with Russia for some weird reason.

Oliver Stone covers Right Sector, Bandera and the founders of Azov in his movie Ukraine on Fire, it is available on Rumble.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

It's fair game for the Russians to blow the shit out of them.

Why, do any of you, feel the need to make excuses for Putin's Russia? Is "owning the libs" and "questioning the narrative" really that important to you?

 

[LordSunhawk]

Why, do any of you, feel the need to make excuses for Putin's Russia? Is "owning the libs" and "questioning the narrative" really that important to you?

Going to respond to you here. I do not make excuses for Putin or Russia here, they are very much a bad guy in all of this. It's just that the Ukraine is also the bad guy, that what we have is a tragic ball of evil snakes, all biting each other, in a deliberate maneuver to distract the news cycle from the truly catastrophically bad leadership coming from the Dementia-Patient-In-Chief and his handlers. This is pure wag-the-dog.

The only people I feel sorry for in this mess are the common folks, the average Russians and Ukrainians who are being victimized by all of this, so that madmen both in Russia, the Ukraine, and the rest of the world can cling to more power and distract from the consequences of their incompetence and malice.

 

[posh-goofiness]

Molten salt reactors have been tried and don't really work well in practice because it turns out molten salt is highly corrosive. That makes using them for any substantial amount of time unfeasible for safety reasons. Until we develop some relatively inexpensive alloy that can resist the huge corrosive pressure they won't be anything but an interesting idea, much like fusion reactors.

Salt reactors aren't under pressure. In fact, the lack of high pressure requirements is one of the design features for the safety of molten salt reactors.

 

[Bacle]

Why, do any of you, feel the need to make excuses for Putin's Russia? Is "owning the libs" and "questioning the narrative" really that important to you?

Questioning the narrative of western powers and media, and anyone they purport to support, after the shit they pulled with the Wu Flu and stolen election, is a patriotic duty now.

Just falling into a 'questioning the official western narrative makes you pro-Putin' mindset is stupid, foolish, and exactly what the powers who have abused us for the past several years want.

 

[sillygoose]

Salt reactors aren't under pressure. In fact, the lack of high pressure requirements is one of the design features for the safety of molten salt reactors.

Pressure was meant metaphorically, not literally. The corrosive part is the molten salt:

Material Corrosion in Molten Salt Reactors

large.stanford.edu

Due to the extremely corrosive nature of the extremely reducing molten salts, Nickel based alloys have been used in most MSRs that have been designed. It has been shown through testing in molten salt convection baths that alloys high in Iron and Chromium such as Inconel 106 and Type 316 Stainless corrode readily and lose significant amounts of mass within a few thousand hours. [3]
Alloys with high Nickel and high Molybdenum content tend to last much longer with only a few mils of material loss per year. There have also been experiments with increased Niobium and Silicon concentrations that have shown improvements in oxidation rate and material loss. An alloy that is considerably more resistant to molten salt's corrosive effects could lead to advances not only in MSR technology, but also heat storage and high temperature oil refinement among other industrial fields. [4]

Unfortunately even with super alloys within a few thousand hours start losing mass. In time such an alloy might be developed, but the problem then becomes expense; you can have the best alloy in the world, but if it is priced to be unobtanium then it is ultimately pointless.

 

[posh-goofiness]

Pressure was meant metaphorically, not literally. The corrosive part is the molten salt:

Material Corrosion in Molten Salt Reactors

large.stanford.edu

Unfortunately even with super alloys within a few thousand hours start losing mass. In time such an alloy might be developed, but the problem then becomes expense; you can have the best alloy in the world, but if it is priced to be unobtanium then it is ultimately pointless.

Oh, I didn't realize that was what you meant.

 

[sillygoose]

Oh, I didn't realize that was what you meant.

Yeah no worries, after reading that back it wasn't super obvious exactly what I meant.

 

[The Original Sixth]

Why, do any of you, feel the need to make excuses for Putin's Russia? Is "owning the libs" and "questioning the narrative" really that important to you?

No. I don't need to make any excuses for Russia.

It's just common sense that in a urban environment, fireteams in the UKA are going to take the most advantageous positions they can. They're going to camp where they think they're safe. And those areas are not limited to, but will inevitably include those areas. And it is natural for the Russians to try and take them out from those positions. And therefore, the Russians will inevitably end up destroying schools, churches, houses, apartment blocks, and the like. And the Russians will also end up missing or misidentifying targets--and taking out areas without soldiers anyway.

And I've seen some evidence that the UKA is doing this. Unconfirmed, I will grant you, but I've seen it.

Now, it strikes me as reasonable that the UKA knows about the tactical advantages that these places offer and have used them. It also strikes me as reasonable that they figure the Russians will attack those positions, once they're aware of them. And it also strikes me as reasonable that Zelensky--who has consistently tried to obtain more sympathy and help from the West, has every incentive to mischaracterize tactical engagements between his forces and Russian forces as the Russians maliciously targeting buildings.

That's not to say that the Russians are being nice by blowing those buildings up with artillery and tank rounds, when they could use less destructive means. It just not malicious or unreasonable for the Russians to do so.

 

[FriedCFour]

Why, do any of you, feel the need to make excuses for Putin's Russia? Is "owning the libs" and "questioning the narrative" really that important to you?

Because it’s not about Russia winning but the Globalist American Empire losing. We are at least as evil if not more than they are, but Russians aren’t the ones who took away freedom for two years, allow our borders to be non existent and sold our country to wealthy international corporations ran by a class of elites who believe in killing nations including my own. I want the people who ruined my nation to lose. They all clearly have a vested interest in Ukraine (lots of their children working as executives in oil companies there) so I want them to lose there.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

Because it’s not about Russia winning but the Globalist American Empire losing. We are at least as evil if not more than they are, but Russians aren’t the ones who took away freedom for two years, allow our borders to be non existent and sold our country to wealthy international corporations ran by a class of elites who believe in killing nations including my own. I want the people who ruined my nation to lose. They all clearly have a vested interest in Ukraine (lots of their children working as executives in oil companies there) so I want them to lose there.

Putin didnt force covid shit on me, CRT on me, didnt smash our monuments, burn our churches, promote gay stuff to our kids. Putin didnt draw a vast rainbow curtain down across the ruins of my civilisation. The neccessary precondition for the liberation of the former west is the fall of the GAE, and every defeat of it is a victory for freedom.

 

[FriedCFour]

Putin didnt force covid shit on me, CRT on me, didnt smash our monuments, burn our churches, promote gay stuff to our kids. Putin didnt draw a vast rainbow curtain down across the ruins of my civilisation. The neccessary precondition for the liberation of the former west is the fall of the GAE, and every defeat of it is a victory for freedom.

No Russian ever called me incel.

 

[prinCZess]

Question: is it accurate to say they are neo-Nazis instead of modern Banderites? Or Fascists? I mean for all the claims about the Azov group do they actually support Hitler and Nazi style racism or their own Ukraine specific version of nationalism/Fascism?

Banderites is probably the more accurate. Fascist acceptable colloquial, but that somewhat indelibly ties to the Nazis while they're more akin to the other various fascist groups of eastern Europe that sprung up historically and "only" supported the nazis (or ironically, Wagner group, or the LDPR and/or Rodina political parties are comparable in the modern day). They're ultranationalists who also want to drive out/murder the people and/or influence of Jews, Poles, and Russians (or, to less extreme degree, the Russian language and Russification) in Ukraine...And venerate Bandera and the Oun/UPA alongside with the nazis who aided him (at first)--probably because it's the most recent foundational myth/ideology/idea Ukraine has independent of Soviet Communist imperialism or Russian Empire Imperialism.

Most reporting in the West, and most people, aren't comfortable walking the tight-rope of Eastern European states histories of mass-murder between the Soviet-supporting communists in the country (who often also hated Jews and Romani and other minoriteis) and the nazi-supporting fascists in the country (who typically hated Jews and Romani and other minorities), and Azov is perhaps the poster-boy in the modern day of the phenomenon where 'neo-nazi' gets used as stand-in because it's easier and...sorta-kinda accurate enough to communicate the general idea of 'radicals centered around national and racial ideology' even if it misses the specifics and priorities (and type since 'nazi' tends to imply the Aryan bit whereas Azov is the slav-squat/generic-whiteness variety...because Eastern Europe and Russia are weird about that).

 

[Whitestrake Pelinal]

Why, do any of you, feel the need to make excuses for Putin's Russia? Is "owning the libs" and "questioning the narrative" really that important to you?

IF: soldiers use high value civilian locations to carry out war operations,
THEN: those locations are gonna get blasted.

No excuses required.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Question: is it accurate to say they are neo-Nazis instead of modern Banderites? Or Fascists? I mean for all the claims about the Azov group do they actually support Hitler and Nazi style racism or their own Ukraine specific version of nationalism/Fascism?

Probably Ultra-Nationalists sprinkled with White Supremacy. Them being all Nazi or Neo-Nazis is odd since they're Slavic and Russian is their lingua franca so to speak so the Russian claims of desiring to "DeNazify" Ukraine because of their fears about them wanting to genocide Russians and Russian speakers seems questionable at best. It'd also explain their admiration of Right leaning Nationalism in other countries as well.