Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

Zachowon

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Hmmm.
Do I need to point out that it was Russians doing it and not Ukrainians?
Or point out that, you have basically been proven wrong about every single major offensive in their conflict
 

History Learner

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Hmmm.
Do I need to point out that it was Russians doing it and not Ukrainians?

So somehow Russia got hold of calibers it didn't even have and shot them from miles deep into Ukrainian territory for days undetected? Because the mission logged where the shells came from and often could discern what type they were from the aftermath.

Or point out that, you have basically been proven wrong about every single major offensive in their conflict

My record is better than yours, actually, and we can update the Ws list if you want.
 

Aldarion

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If the F-35A can't take improvised bases, there's always F-35C with gear and structure reinforced for carrier ops, and even SVTOL F-35B.

Carrier ops are one thing, being able to operate from roads with minimal logistical support another. OTOH, Finnish air force did use F-18 for road ops, so... I guess it would not be impossible to use F-35C that way, and it would likely be better than B as well.

That applies only if you can't protect your airbases one way or another.

Ukraine though has shown that the best way of protecting air bases is to not have them in the first place:

 

Marduk

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Carrier ops are one thing, being able to operate from roads with minimal logistical support another. OTOH, Finnish air force did use F-18 for road ops, so... I guess it would not be impossible to use F-35C that way, and it would likely be better than B as well.



Ukraine though has shown that the best way of protecting air bases is to not have them in the first place:

Guess USA is considering that too.
Also anything USMC uses is expected to have that capability due to their doctrine including the option of operating it from forward bases.
 

Husky_Khan

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Don't talk about incremental changes in the fighting (or commentary on the tactics or strategies too often) but I typically check Def Mon's Twitter every few days to see what might be going on. Here's his update today. Seems vaguely similar to reports over the past few weeks. Mostly Russian offensives in Kreminna (in Luhansk, the Nothern Part of the frontlines), in Bakhmut (south of Kreminna and north of the City of Donetsk where fighting has been going on for half a year now) and in Vuhledar (Southwest of the City of Donetsk). Sometimes incremental gains are made by the RuAF, sometimes there are successful counterattacks by the AFU. 🤷‍♀️



First Documented Loss of a Russian Tor M2DT Air Defense System. What makes this variant special is that the tracked vehicle is specially designed to operate in the arctic environment away from roads due to wider tracks and lower ground pressure. It can drive over snow and marshes, and supposedly can avoid triggering some anti-tank systems as well as being fully amphibious. Not especially resistant to getting struck by guided artillery shells (reportedly Excalibur) however.



Looks like that poor Arctic Tor was the feature of Russian media prior to its very untimely destruction. Another celebrity who couldn't handle the newfound fame. 😔

 

ThatZenoGuy

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One thing which somewhat bothers me about the war is how it's eating up the world's military surplus.
Try finding cheap Russian army goods nowadays, completely impossible.
*Spastic milsurp collector noises*
 

The Whispering Monk

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I'm wondering if there's a way for West Texas dilling and fracking techniques to benefit Ukraine in breaking Russian defensive lines.

I'm imaging a horizontal drilling rig that pushes under the defensive lines, then it pumps a mixture of liquid and gas flammables to saturate the line at key points. These can go from 15-20km in distance. They'd likely need some sort of natural overhead cover in order to keep the op hidden.

Then you launch targeted incendiary attacks on those positions and watch them burn.

Heck, even pumping in water to undermine the area could be useful.
 

Bacle

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I'm wondering if there's a way for West Texas dilling and fracking techniques to benefit Ukraine in breaking Russian defensive lines.

I'm imaging a horizontal drilling rig that pushes under the defensive lines, then it pumps a mixture of liquid and gas flammables to saturate the line at key points. These can go from 15-20km in distance. They'd likely need some sort of natural overhead cover in order to keep the op hidden.

Then you launch targeted incendiary attacks on those positions and watch them burn.

Heck, even pumping in water to undermine the area could be useful.
No, not really; horizontal drilling can go a mile or two from the drill head, not much further.

There are practical limits on how much torque you can put a drill string under before it breaks, and horizontal drilling causes the pipe-string to rub against the bottom of the hole, inducing additional stresses.
 

The Whispering Monk

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No, not really; horizontal drilling can go a mile or two from the drill head, not much further.

There are practical limits on how much torque you can put a drill string under before it breaks, and horizontal drilling causes the pipe-string to rub against the bottom of the hole, inducing additional stresses.
Mostly correct. Some things working that can go the length I sited, but I don't believe they've gotten them to the industrially useable phase yet.
 

Scooby Doo

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