Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

That Putin himself did already, many times.
No not really he didn't, it is still just a "denazification" according to Putins rhetoric. Anyway the point is that the only real opposition or alternatives to Putin are also pro-Ukraine war and any successor to his right will believe Putins war was too little too late. Just as Biden is likely as hawkish as you're going to get in the US, Putin is likely the most pro-peace you'll get out of Russia (and I'm not all implying he wants peace, just that he may agree to some concessions while a successor is likely to want all of Ukraine.)
 
No not really he didn't, it is still just a "denazification" according to Putins rhetoric.
It never was just that, it was one of several spoken points, nevermind unspoken ones.
Also:
 
It never was just that, it was one of several spoken points, nevermind unspoken ones.
Also:
I feel like you purposefully ignored the rest of my post just so you could post these couple of links. I will state it one last time, the point is Putin is not being replaced by someone who wants the war to end, period. Anyone hoping for that fails to understand the politics at play here.
 
I feel like you purposefully ignored the rest of my post just so you could post these couple of links.
Welp, you edit ninja'd me.
I will state it one last time, the point is Putin is not being replaced by someone who wants the war to end, period.
Of course no red blooded Russian el presidente will say he wants the war to end, but the next guy may well decide that the doesn't want the burden of ruling with the problems that come with the war not ending on top of the general burden of controlling that mess and solidifying his power, and so it's quite likely he will find an excuse to unfortunately have to get out of the war even though of course he doesn't want to end it, he's doing it for the good of the country and shit.
Just as Biden is likely as hawkish as you're going to get in the US,
You may be surprised.
Putin is likely the most pro-peace you'll get out of Russia (and I'm not all implying he wants peace, just that he may agree to some concessions while a successor is likely to want all of Ukraine.)
Pro-peace, probably, pro picking easier fights on the other hand, probably many people learning out of Putin's mistakes even there.
 
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So we should support Ukraine because they honor nazis? That's a great argument marduk
If you don't understand the historical context of that and this is the soundbite you took out of it, you are clearly not qualified to have any opinions regarding the Ukraine war.
Go cry about banned socialists, that's what the company fit for you is doing.
 
If you don't understand the historical context of that and this is the soundbite you took out of it, you are clearly not qualified to have any opinions regarding the Ukraine war.
Go cry about banned socialists, that's what the company fit for you is doing.
You just used this
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as an example of why Ukraine is so based and we should support them.

Which means either you think we should support them because they're Nazi Sympathizers, or just that you think right wingers are nazi Sympathizers. Yeah we should really listen to you. So based. Lol
 
You just used this
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as an example of why Ukraine is so based and we should support them.

Which means either you think we should support them because they're Nazi Sympathizers, or just that you think right wingers are nazi Sympathizers. Yeah we should really listen to you. So based. Lol
Which means you read none of the leftist whining except the last 3 words, which means you are a disingenuous Russia simp who pretends to be unable to read just to "own nazis" like a discount version of leftist antifa teenagers who thinks he's more edgy than them because he's socially conservative.
Yeah, the whole part about banning commies and discarding sacred economic cows of the left, doesn't matte.
Sorry, if your whole idea of who to support in geopolitics is based on who can can be accused of being le nazis, you definitely belong with antifa politically.
After all you are willing to accept their accusations of "NAZIS!!!" with enthusiasm and trust already.
But what are you going to do when they accuse you?
 
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Which means you read none of the leftist whining except the last 3 words, which means you are a disingenuous Russia simp who pretends to be unable to read just to "own nazis" like a discount version of leftist antifa teenagers who thinks he's more edgy than them because he's socially conservative.
Yeah, the whole part about banning commies and discarding sacred economic cows of the left, doesn't matte.
Sorry, if your whole idea of who to support in geopolitics is based on who can can be accused of being le nazis, you definitely belong with antifa politically.
After all you are willing to accept their accusations of "NAZIS!!!" with enthusiasm and trust already.
But what are you going to do when they accuse you?
I don't care if someone accuses me of being a nazi. Or any flavor of "ist" or "phobe."

Those are usually meaningless labels to me, because they're being used to insult, and are not based in reality. I usually respond to those with a variant of agreeing and amplifying. For example, "yes I'm a nazi, but let's make sure I get credit for also being a misogynist too"

You, on the other hand, are using it as a good thing, which is way different. "Look guys, they're pro nazi, you're right wingers, so you should be pro them!"

As for the other shit: why should I give a fuck about any of that? My opinion isn't "they're lefties so I dislike them," so why should I be swayed by a leftist's argument that that they're actually right wing?

I don't actually even dislike Ukraine. I don't care if they're left or right wing, I just don't want my country involved in their mess.

You on the other hand, are arguing that they're totally right wing because they support nazis, so we should support them.
 
As for the other shit: why should I give a fuck about any of that? My opinion isn't "they're lefties so I dislike them," so why should I be swayed by a leftist's argument that that they're actually right wing?
The key thing to understand is, he thinks you are lying.
He simply cannot fathom anyone thinking about their wallet first, not even when it becomes hard to put food on the table, maybe he is just born to super rich parents or something?
In his opinion, there is no such thing. Everyone either loves ukraine or loves russia, because they are either a vatnik or not.

And he is trying to trick you into loving ukraine because he believes that you hate them because you are a nazi. So if he shows you how nazi the ukraine is, you will change your tune and support the govt of the usa stealing your money to give to ukraine.
 
I don't care if someone accuses me of being a nazi. Or any flavor of "ist" or "phobe."
Then why do you imply i should care when someone accuses Ukrainian government of it.
Those are usually meaningless labels to me, because they're being used to insult, and are not based in reality. I usually respond to those with a variant of agreeing and amplifying. For example, "yes I'm a nazi, but let's make sure I get credit for also being a misogynist too"

You, on the other hand, are using it as a good thing, which is way different. "Look guys, they're pro nazi, you're right wingers, so you should be pro them!"
From the perspective of someone else, what you just admitted to doing looks exactly the same.
As for the other shit: why should I give a fuck about any of that? My opinion isn't "they're lefties so I dislike them," so why should I be swayed by a leftist's argument that that they're actually right wing?

I don't actually even dislike Ukraine. I don't care if they're left or right wing, I just don't want my country involved in their mess.
Then you are bad at geopolitics and your country is lucky from keeping the likes of you from government. Or you have other reasons but are using the classic tactical fiscal conservative line as the more defensible one.
You on the other hand, are arguing that they're totally right wing because they support nazis, so we should support them.
No, i'm arguing they are totally right wing because they don't care leftists call them nazis, which you also claim to do regarding yourself, but apparently you have the special shitposting license that is denied to Ukraine. Considering how invested you always seem in casting various accusations at Ukraine more than complaining about financially much larger scale leftist initiative of many sorts, i think that may well be the case.
The key thing to understand is, he thinks you are lying.
He simply cannot fathom anyone thinking about their wallet first,
Oh i can, but in that case it is just a different, much more straightforward kind of being short sighted, dumb, and bad at geopolitics, potato potatoe.
However, when one combines such complaining with implying that all the money should be spent on socialist style handouts to the poor instead, i think it is reasonable to call someone doing that a typical socialist, for that is exactly what socialists advocated since socialists exist, unless of course it comes to support of a war socialists take part of, and it is support of their side.
not even when it becomes hard to put food on the table, maybe he is just born to super rich parents or something?
In his opinion, there is no such thing. Everyone either loves ukraine or loves russia, because they are either a vatnik or not.

And he is trying to trick you into loving ukraine because he believes that you hate them because you are a nazi. So if he shows you how nazi the ukraine is, you will change your tune and support the govt of the usa stealing your money to give to ukraine.
I don't think he is lying, i think he is delibeteraly focusing on the last 3 words of the accusation list to follow on his Russia simping, if he only cared about the money, he would not care about whether what Ukraine thinks of Nazis or not either.
What i do however think you are lying about knowing what i think, because as i've just explained, you were wrong about that.
 
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Then why do you imply i should care when someone accuses Ukrainian government of it.

From the perspective of someone else, what you just admitted to doing looks exactly the same.

Then you are bad at geopolitics and your country is lucky from keeping the likes of you from government.

No, i'm arguing they are totally right wing because they don't care leftists call them nazis, which you also claim to do regarding yourself, but apparently you have the special shitposting license that is denied to Ukraine.

Oh i can, but in that case it is just a different, much more straightforward kind of being short sighted, dumb, and bad at geopolitics, potato potatoe.
However, when one combines such complaining with implying that all the money should be spent on socialist style handouts to the poor instead, i think it is reasonable to call someone doing that a typical socialist.

I don't think he is lying, i think he is delibeteraly focusing on the last 3 words of the accusation list to follow on his Russia simping, if he only cared about the money, he would not care about whether what Ukraine thinks of Nazis or not either.
What i do however think you are lying about knowing what i think, because as i've just explained, you were wrong about that.
I'm not judging Ukraine based on that list of stuff.

You are, and you're telling me that I should care. But I don't.

What I'm criticizing here, isn't Ukraine for supporting nazis. It's YOU, for thinking that's a reason the right should support them.
 
So we should support Ukraine because they honor nazis? That's a great argument marduk
They honor UPA,who was worst then nazi.You see,germans simply murdered people,at worst burn alive in barns.

Ukrainians from UPA ? they could do that,too,but when they had time,they tortured to death everybody,including children.
I read memories of many poles who survived - when they found bodies of their families,they rarely could recognize them.

And current ukrainians are making monuments of those monsters.
 
I'm not judging Ukraine based on that list of stuff.

You are, and you're telling me that I should care. But I don't.
Oh please. If you didn't care about it, you would not be taking part in most of the Ukraine related discussions you are taking part in since the beginning of the war.
What I'm criticizing here, isn't Ukraine for supporting nazis. It's YOU, for thinking that's a reason the right should support them.
No, i think it's the other stuff, and also for ignoring far left accusing them of supporting nazis (which is not the same as actually supporting nazis, if it was, we are both nazis), which hilariously enough you also do, but apparently it's ok for you, not for them.
 
No, i think it's the other stuff, and also for ignoring far left accusing them of supporting nazis, which hilariously enough you also do, but apparently it's ok for you, not for them.
You posted a screencap.

The screencap describes Zelensky honoring Nazis being a right wing thing. You captioned this screenshot as
Allow a leftist explain to you how based modern Ukraine is:
In short, according to Marduk: "Ukraine is based because it supports Nazis".

Marduk, please, stop riding Zelensky so hard, it's embarrassing.
 
Oh please. If you didn't care about it, you would not be taking part in most of the Ukraine related discussions you are taking part in since the beginning of the war.

No, i think it's the other stuff, and also for ignoring far left accusing them of supporting nazis (which is not the same as actually supporting nazis, if it was, we are both nazis), which hilariously enough you also do, but apparently it's ok for you, not for them.
I do care, about US involvement.

Do I care what happens to a backwater shithole who likes to wear nazi symbols?

Nope.

Is that because they wear nazi symbols?

Nope.

So, why, then? Because the result of this war makes absolutely no difference in my life, it's not my problem, and I dont want my country supporting it.

Of course I do care, and it does make a difference if it goes nuclear, which is one reason I would actually like this war to end. But I don't much care who wins, so long as it ends without going nuclear.

But you keep trying to tell me that I am lying, that I totally support Russia and that I should like Ukraine because they have nazis.
 
You posted a screencap.

The screencap describes Zelensky honoring Nazis being a right wing thing. You captioned this screenshot as

In short, according to Marduk: "Ukraine is based because it supports Nazis".

Marduk, please, stop riding Zelensky so hard, it's embarrassing.
Please stop antifa larping, it's disgusting.
The meme was 2 crazy leftists arguing whether Zelensky is far right or far left, and so one of them claims, among other things like banning all sorts of leftist politics, "Ukraine honored nazi collaborators" which in reality is classic leftist dishonest shilling.
Fucking clowns who proudly can't read: "Marduk thinks Ukraine is based for supporting nazis!!!".
I do care, about US involvement.

Do I care what happens to a backwater shithole who likes to wear nazi symbols?

Nope.
NATO allies, Budapest Memorandum, Russia being officially recognized in US govt documents as adversary state.

So, why, then? Because the result of this war makes absolutely no difference in my life,
Many of functions of government make no difference in your life until they do at least, the whole fucking country, especially one as geopolitically tied in as USA, however does have other people whose life is affected.
 

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