Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)
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VictortheMonarch
Victor the Crusader
I mean, if you trust the Russian numbers you are a fool in the first place. And if you trust the Ukrainian numbers, your an even bigger one. We won't have a total tally till the end of this clusterfuck, and that won't be for a few more years. I can't see Ukraine pushing Russia out any time soon and I can't see Russia conquering Ukraine, at least fully. They'll be spending the next decade or two putting down revolts.
Russia won't claim any land for awhile.
Kherson is under threat of counter attack already
VictortheMonarch
Victor the Crusader
the Kherson offensive is slower than my grandmother, and she's dead.
Donbass is slower
VictortheMonarch
Victor the Crusader
I mean, t'is to be expected, you're talking about an area that has been militarized since 2012
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
...So then why are the Russians smashing their heads into a wall, rather than pushing on non-militarized fronts?
But Russia can attack Donbass from the rear!
Putin's plan to declare himself Lord of Kherson has officially been put on hold lol!
VictortheMonarch
Victor the Crusader
The Russian Military isn't exactly filled with the brightest leaders. Very few have actually seen war. Those that have have been assassinated by the Ukrainians when the opportunity arises, as a few Russian Generals have been killed already. Eight suspectedly, and four confirmed, though one was a retired General that was for some reason flying an aircraft? Besides that this war is seemingly a testing ground by Russia on tactics. I don't actually think they care about winning, as they could have won the war within a month with modern equipment. Make no mistake, this war is a testing ground for how Russia can do against an even(ish) opponent, and I feel that Russia will see a sharp militarization in the coming months, not seen since the wehrmacht.
Good luck with that under the sanctions they have.
Major blow for Putin as manufacturer stops making tanks – reports
VLADIMIR PUTIN has suffered a blow in the ongoing Russia-Ukraine war, with a major tank manufacturer halting production, according to reports from Kyiv.
www.express.co.uk
AnimalNoodles
Well-known member
Because the goal is the destruction of the Ukrainian army itself. Why havent the Russians dropped the Dniepr river bridges that are helping to supply Donbass? The Russians want the Ukrainians to pour men and equipment into a killing zone to be turned into street pizza by artillery.
That's a lot of bridges.
And contrary to popular opinion it's not easy to destroy a bridge for good without taking it over and having sappers mine it. Not without very accurate weapons
The North Vietnamese Bridge That Took Seven Years to Destroy
The road and railway bridge at Thanh Hoa south of Hanoi spanned the Ma River and was a vital link in the movement of communist troops and supplies. For the better part of a decade, U.S. Navy, Marine and Air Force aviators braved the flak-filled skies over North Vietnam on missions to destroy the...
www.historynet.com
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paulobrito
Well-known member
News in the UK media, reported by Kiev, about Russia... not properly the most reliable source.Good luck with that under the sanctions they have.
Major blow for Putin as manufacturer stops making tanks – reports
VLADIMIR PUTIN has suffered a blow in the ongoing Russia-Ukraine war, with a major tank manufacturer halting production, according to reports from Kyiv.
They sure aren't getting the thermals they were putting on the new tanks.
French eyes for a Russian tiger
Russian tanks are using French technology in Ukraine. But will Russia's new "star" tank, the T-14, also rely on EU-made kit?
euobserver.com
Taiwan export ban limits Russia and Belarus to chips with frequencies under 25 MHz
DigiTimes reports that Taiwan's Ministry of Economic Affairs (MOEA) published a list this week of strategic high-tech commodities banned from exportation to Russia and Belarus. The latter...
www.techspot.com
Megadeath
Well-known member
That's... A take. I actually barked out loud with laughter to read that. So, Russia is fighting with one hand tied behind their back, sending tens of thousands to die, losing unconted billions of dollars in military equipment, severing themselves from the most lucrative global financial markets, expending huge stores of ammunition, throwing away trained and experienced officers from the bottom to the top, and making themselves an international pariah and laughing stock... And they're doing it just to see what it would be like?
They arent using large amounts of truly "modern" equipment because they don't have it. Things like the armata, their hypersonic cruise missiles and the su-57 are paper tigers. They built just enough to say they had them, and to spawn endless "Who would win?" and "Which is better?" internet think pieces. They aren't refusing to achieve total air control for the sake of fairness, but because they can't. They arent using shitty 60 year old missiles for the wrong role, and missing targets by a mile, because they're curious how they'd have faired if they were teleported back in time.
They're fighting like shit because their forces are shit. They couldn't afford to modernise, so they lost the Moskva. They couldn't fight internal corruption, so their logistics got too fucked to maintain the hight tempo/momentum operations to take Kyiv. They don't have the money or technical capacity to build the fighters needed to control the skies, so they can't operate proper CAS. They were too corrupt and close minded to war game properly, so they didn't realise how their strategy and doctrine left them open to losing huge amounts of armour to man portable launchers.
paulobrito
Well-known member
They can replace these with older generations made locally. Not so good for sure, but let's then still make toys.They sure aren't getting the thermals they were putting on the new tanks.
French eyes for a Russian tiger
Russian tanks are using French technology in Ukraine. But will Russia's new "star" tank, the T-14, also rely on EU-made kit?
Well, do they still make the old generations?
"The news, however, appears so far only to have been relayed by Ukrainian forces so cannot be wholly substantiated." From the article you posted. Sooooo....we'll see how much truth there it to this later on.Good luck with that under the sanctions they have.
Major blow for Putin as manufacturer stops making tanks – reports
VLADIMIR PUTIN has suffered a blow in the ongoing Russia-Ukraine war, with a major tank manufacturer halting production, according to reports from Kyiv.
Megadeath
Well-known member
One way or another, it's kinda just a matter of time. Look at microchip production. Russian companies are heavily reliant on imports, and estimate costs of something like fifteen billion US to start the modernisation process which will not be quick. It's also highly likely to run into cost and time overruns given the Russian kleptocracy.
paulobrito
Well-known member
For that, you need to ask uncle Vladimir, not me.