Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[Megadeath]

For that, you need to ask uncle Vladimir, not me.

Going to say that without access to international microchip manufacturer, among other things cut off, they can't simply magically reactive production of earlier options.

Real life isn't an RTS. You can't just revert to building an earlier unit because you lost a resource. It's extremely improbable the manufacturing capacity was sitting around "Just in case." It's even less likely that they can just flip a switch to turn it on with so many technological imports restricted.

You've got to find the talent, to hire the workers, to build the machines, that build the parts, that go into the product. Apply that to every element of production, whilst completely eliminating international market support, imports of any necessary machinery, and cutting off your access to the international manpower pool? Russia are going to be lucky if 5 years from now they're able to manufacture military equipment at a late cold war era level.

 

[VictortheMonarch]

They arent using large amounts of truly "modern" equipment because they don't have it.

People who say this stuff generally are going to be pretty surprised when we are fighting a war and they're kicking our ass. These 'Paper tigers' aren't quite paper when you look at them. I mean, I've seen a few of the blueprints of some of the Russian 'paper tigers', and they aren't too far off from our own M.B.T.

Honestly Russia is getting it's ass kicked right now not due to anything other than Morale and Logistics. This is a testing ground, and i stay rooted to the belief of it.

 

[VictortheMonarch]

Good luck with that under the sanctions they have.

Major blow for Putin as manufacturer stops making tanks – reports

VLADIMIR PUTIN has suffered a blow in the ongoing Russia-Ukraine war, with a major tank manufacturer halting production, according to reports from Kyiv.

www.express.co.uk

Russia's economy has already bounced back, infact the Ruble is at a five year high.

 

[Marduk]

Going to say that without access to international microchip manufacturer, among other things cut off, they can't simply magically reactive production of earlier options.

It's Russia, even if they did mothball all the old equipment for manufacturing the already pretty backwards thermals and such just in case of this happening, there is absolutely no guarantee that this equipment is still there, stored in proper conditions through the years, and not torn apart for scrap copper.

People who say this stuff generally are going to be pretty surprised when we are fighting a war and they're kicking our ass. These 'Paper tigers' aren't quite paper when you look at them. I mean, I've seen a few of the blueprints of some of the Russian 'paper tigers', and they aren't too far off from our own M.B.T.

And they have whole 10 of their prototypes!
About as relevant as Germany's new Panther prototype in a war.
Wait till they have a couple hundred to claim they mean something.

 

[VictortheMonarch]

And they have whole 10 of their prototypes!
About as relevant as Germany's new Panther prototype in a war.
Wait till they have a couple hundred to claim they mean something.

That will be a while, though I don't discount Russia's ability to produce things, I don't think they will be anywhere near their production capabilities before the economic blockade

 

[VictortheMonarch]

It's Russia, even if they did mothball all the old equipment for manufacturing the already pretty backwards thermals and such just in case of this happening, there is absolutely no guarantee that this equipment is still there, stored in proper conditions through the years, and not torn apart for scrap copper.

That's also discounting China. China can still buy and sell to Russia at the moment, and that's simply legally! I don't doubt that there are Russian's around the globe buying needed commodities for Russia and loading them on unmarked ships to make it back to the motherland. I know that North Korea does this for a fact.

 

[Marduk]

That's also discounting China. China can still buy and sell to Russia at the moment, and that's simply legally! I don't doubt that there are Russian's around the globe buying needed commodities for Russia and loading them on unmarked ships to make it back to the motherland. I know that North Korea does this for a fact.

Russia is, funny enough, now far more sanctioned than North Korea.
China, probably will sell them some stuff, but it's not going to be the stuff they are used to, definitely not China's best stuff, and no idea with what restrictions. In total that mandates redesigns of all equipment that requires major changes in accessories into new variants so that all the different replacements work together. And then they have to train crews and technical staff on how to use and service these new, slightly different variants.

 

[paulobrito]

You know that Russia produce chips right ? Yes, they are of lower tech / bigger size, but they have chip production capability. Not state of the art - but for your information, outside of Asia, very few can do it. The big majority of modern chip factories are in Taiwan, Japan, SKorea - and China.

 

[LordsFire]

Honestly Russia is getting it's ass kicked right now not due to anything other than Morale and Logistics. This is a testing ground, and i stay rooted to the belief of it.

I'm still trying to figure out what it is that put this idea in your head in the first place.

What kind of cost-benefit analysis would suggest this 'testing' was worth it?

 

[WolfBear]

Fuck Russia :

Mariana Betsa (@Mariana_Betsa)

Oleksandr from Mariupol. Russia killed his wife, his mother, ruined his home. He lost his eye, spent a month in ruined Mariupol along thousand bodies in the streets, passed though filtration camps and finally reunited with his daughter in Greece #StopRussia #StandWithUkraine

nitter.1d4.us

 

[Marduk]

You know that Russia produce chips right ? Yes, they are of lower tech / bigger size, but they have chip production capability. Not state of the art - but for your information, outside of Asia, very few can do it. The big majority of modern chip factories are in Taiwan, Japan, SKorea - and China.

They have some 90nm capacity, but that's 2000's level, and its not a lot of capacity.

 

[Batrix2070]

Germany and Poland

being friends

 

[WolfBear]

Good neighbors? – DW – 06/17/2011

Germany and Poland signed a treaty on friendly cooperation on June 17, 1991. It was a decisive step towards rapprochement for the two countries. The treaty marked a new era in the European neighbors' relations.

www.dw.com

https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/en/newsroom/news/170308-bm-gazetawyborcza/288368

Yes, bratwurst and kielbasa can be friends!

 

[Batrix2070]

Yes, bratwurst and kielbasa can be friends

Eeee, no. None of that, and secondly don't quote GW (Gazeta Wyborcza) because this newspaper in Poland is an example of pure propaganda which truth never (except for a short initial period) wrote.
It's kind of our Guardian/insert title of fake leftist newspaper lying every 5 minutes here.

 

[WolfBear]

Eeee, no. None of that, and secondly don't quote GW (Gazeta Wyborcza) because this newspaper in Poland is an example of pure propaganda which truth never (except for a short initial period) wrote.
It's kind of our Guardian/insert title of fake leftist newspaper lying every 5 minutes here.

What about my first link here?

 

[paulobrito]

They have some 90nm capacity, but that's 2000's level, and its not a lot of capacity.

To be exact they have 65nm capability, the output level is not publicly known. In the last years, they have started relatively big investments in expanding and upgrading production.

 

[Marduk]

To be exact they have 65nm capability, the output level is not publicly known. In the last years, they have started relatively big investments in expanding and upgrading production.

The 65nm one is lab experiment scale.

 

[Batrix2070]

What about my first link here?

Typical pouring of water. All we wanted was for the Germans to relinquish any claim to the former Territories and recognize that the current border is final. Friendship was not an option for us. (And in the end we saw how it ends. We became a worthless pawn for Germany to play with and a mere market. For example, our shipyards and sugar mills. In the case of the shipyards, our government was forced by the EU to take away financial aid so that the shipyards would not collapse because it is an unfair market, while similar actions by the Germans at the same time magically were fair. Or the advent of the EU law that de facto made our Sugar Plants unprofitable and its magical revocation when they were all bought out by German companies).

 

[WolfBear]

Typical pouring of water. All we wanted was for the Germans to relinquish any claim to the former Territories and recognize that the current border is final. Friendship was not an option for us. (And in the end we saw how it ends. We became a worthless pawn for Germany to play with and a mere market. For example, our shipyards and sugar mills. In the case of the shipyards, our government was forced by the EU to take away financial aid so that the shipyards would not collapse because it is an unfair market, while similar actions by the Germans at the same time magically were fair. Or the advent of the EU law that de facto made our Sugar Plants unprofitable and its magical revocation when they were all bought out by German companies).

What do you mean by "cumulation"? And it seems rather strange for the EU to mandate that Poland end its financial aid for its shipyards while not requiring the same thing of Germany--unless of course I am misunderstanding you here?

 

[Batrix2070]

cumulation

I don't want to write long answers in English so I use a pretty good but sometimes problematic translator (not Google).
He mistranslated the word (Kumplować) that is "To mate" .

And it seems rather strange for the EU to mandate that Poland end its financial aid for its shipyards while not requiring the same thing of Germany--unless of course I am misunderstanding you here?

Strange? We just keep wondering how the hell it happened. But it did.