Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[Megadeath]

Are you talking here about Russian action to support the right of people of Donbass for self determination?

Are you stupid? That's the only way I can imagine confusing my point that way.

To respond to the point you're "cleverly" trying to make, democracy does not mean absolute self determination for every individual. That's so absurd I won't even argue the general case. The people who support subservience and acquiescence to Russia have a right to have their voice heard. It was, and they lost in free and fair elections. If they feel they can't live with or provide support to a government that goes against their wishes, they have a right to leave. That right was never impeded. Instead they decided they had a right to try and force their beliefs on others through force of arms and since their goals aligned with Russian interests, Russia supported them. Quite likely incited and stoked them. They believed they had a right to common property in the form of the land around them. They ignored or never even considered the wishes of others who lived on that land. They ignored the rules that governed that land.

The rules based interaction of nations and political bodies is the only major dam between peace and prosperity, and anarchy and death. If you don't like the rules, work to amend them. If you can't abide international order whatsoever, move to the shitholes where it's ignored and meaningless. If you try to use force to circumvent or unilaterally adjust those rules, it's only reasonable and practical that the many nations whose citizens overwhelmingly benefit from that rules based order will work to oppose you.


TL;DR - If russia wants to act like a shithead, the international community will treat them like a shithead. Pathetic pretexts be damned.

 

[Zachowon]

The chechens srnt even near Azovstal.
Every picture they post if fake to try amd boost Moral

 

[Husky_Khan]

An artists rendition of a Ukrainian SBU backed Neo-Nazi Terrorist Assassination Squad Member.



And an updated version...

 

[Bacle]

We should just see if we can license build the Starstreaks; that way we get anti-air and anti-tank in one combat proven package.

 

[sillygoose]

We should just see if we can license build the Starstreaks; that way we get anti-air and anti-tank in one combat proven package.

How long do you realistically think it will take to create production lines? I guarantee given the near total lack of machine tool companies and the economic woes we've imposed on allied states that have them (Germany and Japan) that it will take probably just as long if not longer than making modern Stingers.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Lol. You cry for more democracy, whilst decrying that the government has taken largely popular action to support the right of self determination for others. If you don't give a shit about anyone else, why should we care at all for you or your odious selfishness?

Largely popular action? Do you realize the Prime Minister of Italy is an Europhile bankster ? Do you know that he wasn't elected ? Do you know the parliament is 90 per cent sycophants ?

So pardon me if I get angry when an unelected head of state, especially MINE, SUPPORTS a government not only I DIDN'T VOTE FOR IN A COUNTRY I DON'T HAVE INTERESTS AND I PAY the consequences FOR IT.

Maybe you don't have to worry about gas, food hikes but I do.

Blame Putin for his idiocy.If he:
1.Turned Russia into second China instead of Venezuella,war would end in 2 weeks,like he planned.
2.Turned into Venezuella,but sell oil to Japan - he would still lost war,but keep Siberia.Now China is eating it.
3.Still be idiot,but agree to ally with USA against China - USA would let him genocide Ukraine.No weapon for Ukraine,then
4.Agree to Biden proposition to made small agression and attack only Donbas - no weapons for Ukraine,again.

But - it is good for Europe.Becouse,if Putin take Ukraine,Poland and Baltic stated would be genocided next.
And if USA leave Europe,Putin would take entire Europe and genocide all countries there.Including Italy.

Do you have better jokes ATP ? Or better yet, a less delusional rape and revenge film in your head ?

I guess you guys just want petty revenge against the bear, even if it could mean armaggedon. Or , as it happening now, being serfs to the bankers in your country because THEY decided FOR you that THEY have to protect Ukraine's freedom.

When before this war they wanted us in concentration camps FOR NOT TAKING the poison needle.

 

[Abhorsen]

 

[Husky_Khan]

It Will Be Years Before Raytheon Can Build New Stinger Missiles

The U.S. has been sending its Stingers to Ukrainian forces battling Russia.

www.defenseone.com

No more. Come back in a year or so for new stock.

Stinger inventory hasnt "run out" or anything yet.

It was reported a month ago that new stock of Stinger missiles would take 18-24 months but it's still in low rate production off of existing components.

Pentagon will accelerate production of missiles Ukraine has requested to refill US stockpiles | CNN Politics

The Defense Department plans to accelerate production of Stinger anti-aircraft missiles and Javelin anti-tank missiles so it can refill its own depleted stocks as it continues to send the vital systems to Ukrainian forces fighting the Russian invasion, according to defense officials.

www.cnn.com

 

[ATP]

Largely popular action? Do you realize the Prime Minister of Italy is an Europhile bankster ? Do you know that he wasn't elected ? Do you know the parliament is 90 per cent sycophants ?

So pardon me if I get angry when an unelected head of state, especially MINE, SUPPORTS a government not only I DIDN'T VOTE FOR IN A COUNTRY I DON'T HAVE INTERESTS AND I PAY the consequences FOR IT.

Maybe you don't have to worry about gas, food hikes but I do.



Do you have better jokes ATP ? Or better yet, a less delusional rape and revenge film in your head ?

I guess you guys just want petty revenge against the bear, even if it could mean armaggedon. Or , as it happening now, being serfs to the bankers in your country because THEY decided FOR you that THEY have to protect Ukraine's freedom.

When before this war they wanted us in concentration camps FOR NOT TAKING the poison needle.

1.You would not need to worry about gas,if idiots in UE do not blocked coal - it could be turned into gas easily with modern tech.Blame germans and their green dreams,not war.

2.Petty revenge against kgbstan? why ? they could get not only Ukraine to genocide,but Poland and rest of Europe including Italy,too,if they have brains and either turned their country into China ,not venezuella,or agree to USA alliance against China.

Idiots was too stupid for that,and now they are killing their own army alongside ukrainian cyvilians.
So,why should i want revenge,if they destroy themselves for us ?

And - kgbstan would never start Armageddon.They are cowards who send russian to die killing ukrainians,but they would never risk their lives - and they would die in Armageddon,too.

 

[Agent23]

So sad to see Remy joining in on the MSM bandwagon.

 

[ATP]

Well,according to what i read,average russians really belive so.In one book/forget title,as usual/ author argue,that it is thanks to mongol heritage where khagan could do anything he wonted as long as he deliver order and other states feared him.
Maybe it is true,maybe not.

 

[Agent23]

Well,according to what i read,average russians really belive so.In one book/forget title,as usual/ author argue,that it is thanks to mongol heritage where khagan could do anything he wonted as long as he deliver order and other states feared him.
Maybe it is true,maybe not.

Careful there, you almost called Russians 'Mongoloids', which for the uninitiated who like to spam reports,is an anti-Russian western Slavic racial insult.

And as per usual you are forgetting about all the Russians the post-coup regimes in Kiev slaughtered with artillery or disappeared.

 

[paulobrito]

And as per usual you are forgetting about all the Russians the post-coup regimes in Kiev slaughtered with artillery or disappeared.

These don't exist, to justify some narratives, don't you know ?

 

[Agent23]

These don't exist, to justify some narratives, don't you know ?

UN report: 81% of Ukraine shelling victims are innocent civilians of Donbass - and victims of Kiev aggression -- Sott.net

Anyway, CRP is back, with a vengeance:

 

[ATP]

Careful there, you almost called Russians 'Mongoloids', which for the uninitiated who like to spam reports,is an anti-Russian western Slavic racial insult.

And as per usual you are forgetting about all the Russians the post-coup regimes in Kiev slaughtered with artillery or disappeared.

Careful there,you do not read my post.I wrote about their political system - in which khagan Putin could rule as long some order is keep and other countries fear them,and they could steal washmachines,too.

If he fail to deliver,some other kgb guy would kill and replace him.
And nothing would change - becouse for average russian do not matter how they live or how corrupted their goverment is,as long as other countries fear them.
Normal people think about how they live,not if other fear them or not.

So,problem is not russian/postsoviet race,but that they behave as horde from ancient times in 21 century,and are schocked why their ways do not longer work,and why their victims instead of surrender beat them.

Besides,you are calling ukrainians as nazis,and deny russian genocide in Bucha,so you really have no rights to teach others.

 

[Agent23]

Careful there,you do not read my post.I wrote about their political system - in which khagan Putin could rule as long some order is keep and other countries fear them,and they could steal washmachines,too.

If he fail to deliver,some other kgb guy would kill and replace him.
And nothing would change - becouse for average russian do not matter how they live or how corrupted their goverment is,as long as other countries fear them.
Normal people think about how they live,not if other fear them or not.

So,problem is not russian/postsoviet race,but that they behave as horde from ancient times in 21 century,and are schocked why their ways do not longer work,and why their victims instead of surrender beat them.

Besides,you are calling ukrainians as nazis,and deny russian genocide in Bucha,so you really have no rights to teach others.

 

[Vaermina]

Anyway, CRP is back, with a vengeance:

That guy's smoking the good stuff.

Russia's chances of taking Odesa are effectively zero at this point. And Ukraine is steadily advancing on Kherson.

 

[Zachowon]

Yeah Russia can't take Odessa without more Amphibious ships

 

[ATP]

Again? you could find another raper.
Althought...using rapers to try defending not-existing honour of kgbstan rapists is...okay,i think.
And no matter how many rapers you find,kgbstan still behave like Attylla horde - and still is loosing.

Becouse,you knew,using horde approach in modern world do not help you anymore.No matter how many washmachines you take,taking spoils of war in no longer winning strategy.

It is not question of morality,but efficiency.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Stinger inventory hasnt "run out" or anything yet.

It was reported a month ago that new stock of Stinger missiles would take 18-24 months but it's still in low rate production off of existing components.

Pentagon will accelerate production of missiles Ukraine has requested to refill US stockpiles | CNN Politics

The Defense Department plans to accelerate production of Stinger anti-aircraft missiles and Javelin anti-tank missiles so it can refill its own depleted stocks as it continues to send the vital systems to Ukrainian forces fighting the Russian invasion, according to defense officials.

www.cnn.com

That's from a month ago. This is this month's update on the progress of the stinger missile's progress when Ukraine was said to need 500 of them a day from a dwindling stockpile that can't match the replacement rate.