Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[Agent23]

I know that, hence my suggestion of a free grammar help thing. I wouldn't have commented though if it wasn't for his unrelated constant racism (not just that post) and stupidity. If I have to read racist stupidity, I want to not have to struggle to understand it. Obviously not a mod request, but it would be nice.

Well, the political machine in Poland as well as the Polish people themselves really hate Russians for a bunch of reasons, also we in the East are less politically correct and out definition of racism is a bit different from yours in the west IMHO.
As to Grammarly, it is IIRC some A.I. driven as a service that probably tracks everything you type and where you type it in order to sell you ads.
If there is no obvious product, then you are the product is all I am saying.
That said, autocorrect for browsers is a builtin thing, and IMHO Shoeshinerhemlet had even worse spelling than ATP.

 

[Abhorsen]

Well, the political machine in Poland as well as the Polish people themselves really hate Russians for a bunch of reasons, also we in the East are less politically correct and out definition of racism is a bit different from yours in the west IMHO.
As to Grammarly, it is IIRC some A.I. driven as a service that probably tracks everything you type and where you type it in order to sell you ads.
If there is no obvious product, then you are the product is all I am saying.
That said, autocorrect for browsers is a builtin thing, and IMHO Shoeshinerhemlet had even worse spelling than ATP.

He's said Jews want to eat people before. I'm quite comfortable calling him racist at this point.

Anyway, back on topic:
Things are apparently heating up in Transinistria. Maybe Russia wants to justify an invasion into Odessa from there?

 

[PsihoKekec]

Maybe Russia wants to justify an invasion into Odessa from there?

And how will Russia get invasion forces in Transnistria? Because units stationed there are woefully inadequate for that.

 

[Aldarion]

Please stop with you constant racism. Or at least if you need to continue posting it, at least use a spell check like grammerly.

I know that, hence my suggestion of a free grammar help thing. I wouldn't have commented though if it wasn't for his unrelated constant racism (not just that post) and stupidity. If I have to read racist stupidity, I want to not have to struggle to understand it. Obviously not a mod request, but it would be nice.

Well, he does have some good points...

Poles hate Russians at least as much as Croatians hate Serbs (you're lucky you haven't seen me have discussions with some Serbs online) and for a bunch of very good reasons. One of them is basically constant Russian imperialism towards Poland, including what was basically a campaign of ethnic cleansing that started in Imperial times and then intensified under the Soviet regime.

And looking at history, having ethnic minorities within the country is dangerous because they are almost always certain to work against the country in question (much like Croatian Serbs worked against Croatia from the time they were created from Vlachs in 19th century all the way until today). Basically, if you look at prominent leftists and leaders of leftist (especially Communist) movements in any given country, they are all too often members of some minorities - neither Lenin nor Stalin were ethnic Russians for example (Lenin was a mixture of six different ethnicities, Stalin was a Georgian). That is why the Left always supports immigration: they know immigrants will vote for the destruction of their new home, and we had seen this with recent elections, where leftist candidates had a far greater proportion of minority and immigrant votes.

The idea they had after World War 1 (and then again after World War 2) of creating ethnically homogeneous countries was a very good one, and had it been honored, it might have prevented a lot of pain afterwards - beginning with World War Two, to war in Yugoslavia and even the current war in Ukraine.

And this is actually the cause of this entire shitshow in Ukraine. Soviet government had deliberately settled Russians into Ukraine in order to keep the republic under control, and hopefully forever a part of the Soviet Union. Country that is busy falling apart cannot rebel, after all. And even now that Ukraine has become independent, Russian colonists are still perfectly doing their job, as can be seen from the entire current situation. Much like Serbs in Croatia had acted as a fifth column - for Habsburg government, for Royal Yugoslav government, for Tito's Communist government, for Slobodan Milošević and now for Bruxelles and Belgrade both - so the Russians in Ukraine had been, are being and will be used as a fifth column for Moscow.

Even if they themselves, perhaps, do not want it.

 

[Megadeath]

Well, he does have some good points...

Poles hate Russians at least as much as Croatians hate Serbs (you're lucky you haven't seen me have discussions with some Serbs online) and for a bunch of very good reasons. One of them is basically constant Russian imperialism towards Poland, including what was basically a campaign of ethnic cleansing that started in Imperial times and then intensified under the Soviet regime.

And looking at history, having ethnic minorities within the country is dangerous because they are almost always certain to work against the country in question (much like Croatian Serbs worked against Croatia from the time they were created from Vlachs in 19th century all the way until today). Basically, if you look at prominent leftists and leaders of leftist (especially Communist) movements in any given country, they are all too often members of some minorities - neither Lenin nor Stalin were ethnic Russians for example (Lenin was a mixture of six different ethnicities, Stalin was a Georgian). That is why the Left always supports immigration: they know immigrants will vote for the destruction of their new home, and we had seen this with recent elections, where leftist candidates had a far greater proportion of minority and immigrant votes.

The idea they had after World War 1 (and then again after World War 2) of creating ethnically homogeneous countries was a very good one, and had it been honored, it might have prevented a lot of pain afterwards - beginning with World War Two, to war in Yugoslavia and even the current war in Ukraine.

And this is actually the cause of this entire shitshow in Ukraine. Soviet government had deliberately settled Russians into Ukraine in order to keep the republic under control, and hopefully forever a part of the Soviet Union. Country that is busy falling apart cannot rebel, after all. And even now that Ukraine has become independent, Russian colonists are still perfectly doing their job, as can be seen from the entire current situation. Much like Serbs in Croatia had acted as a fifth column - for Habsburg government, for Royal Yugoslav government, for Tito's Communist government, for Slobodan Milošević and now for Bruxelles and Belgrade both - so the Russians in Ukraine had been, are being and will be used as a fifth column for Moscow.

Even if they themselves, perhaps, do not want it.

@Abhorsen, is racism more acceptable when it's couched in better language and pseudo-intellectualism?

 

[ShadowArxxy]

He's said Jews want to eat people before. I'm quite comfortable calling him racist at this point.

"Goy" in fact means "nation" in Biblical Hebrew, with goyim being the plural. The modern meaning would transliterate as "people of (other) nations".

 

[Zachowon]

And how will Russia get invasion forces in Transnistria? Because units stationed there are woefully inadequate for that.

Odessa

 

[TheRejectionist]

@Abhorsen, is racism more acceptable when it's couched in better language and pseudo-intellectualism?

I am not @Abhorsen but the response should be no. I have animosity towards certain individuals but in my worst cases it never reached the degenarte and cretinous belief they are inferior or genetically or inherently superior,inferior or whatever positive or negative might be.
I tend to largely separate people from their political elite, though I admit it is difficult even for me though I am somewhat "mixed" and sometimes I get both negative and positive stereotypes.
I can understand @ATP animosity because he is Polish and if we look at history, we can see that Russo-Polish relations have been rarely amicable, if not costantly hostile.

"Goy" in fact means "nation" in Biblical Hebrew, with goyim being the plural. The modern meaning would transliterate as "people of (other) nations".

That might be it, but it's often used pejoratively when it is pronounced, some grudges never go away entirely and are transmitted generationally. A lot of the followers or ethnic members of Judaism have an utter contempt for all non-Jewish members. Is it the majority? Most likely not, but they are the loudest and sometimes in very powerful positions, such Zuckerberg, not to mention Israel's rebirth and Judaism's members haven't had entirely positive outcomes, if they weren't outright detrimental.

And this comes from me who I rather marry an Israeli than an Italian.

 

[Abhorsen]

@Abhorsen, is racism more acceptable when it's couched in better language and pseudo-intellectualism?

No? If you're asking my opinion, it's just that if I have to read it, I'd like that to be done without having to look consulting an oracle.

If you're asking the rules on the board, all viewpoints are acceptable (other than the big bad 3: Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism), but using slurs isn't. That includes both dumb racism and psuedointellectual racism. Just not Nazi Racism.

Back on topic:

And how will Russia get invasion forces in Transnistria? Because units stationed there are woefully inadequate for that.

Look, I have no earthly idea what goes through Russian generals heads at this point. Realistically, I see them opening another front that Ukraine has to defend along to stretch resources, especially manpower, not really using it as a point to invade.

But ISW has reported false flag attacks in there so far, so I was wondering what was up with that. Because even if the false flag attacks aren't false flags and are real, something is certainly happening.

Really, I'm pleasantly surprised Moldova hasn't invaded Transinistria yet. This is basically their golden opportunity.

Odessa

They will get troops into Transinistria to invade Odessa by going through... Odessa? That makes less sense than anything else I've heard at this point.

 

[Aldarion]

@Abhorsen, is racism more acceptable when it's couched in better language and pseudo-intellectualism?

Racism is belief that one group is superior to another and therefore deserves to rule over it. More generally, it is oppression/discrimination based on race.

Ethnic nationalism, at least of the variety I subscribe to (a.k.a. "live and let live") is the exact opposite of racism. In fact, it is globalization, multiculturalism and diversity which produce racism, as different groups are forced to live uncomfortably close to each other.

Learn the difference, please.

 

[Bacle]

Guess we should call them Brahmin Battalion.

 

[Abhorsen]

Guess we should call them Brahmin Battalion.

Okay, no matter what side you're on, that's funny as fuck.

 

[Zachowon]

No? If you're asking my opinion, it's just that if I have to read it, I'd like that to be done without having to look consulting an oracle.

If you're asking the rules on the board, all viewpoints are acceptable (other than the big bad 3: Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism), but using slurs isn't. That includes both dumb racism and psuedointellectual racism. Just not Nazi Racism.

Back on topic:


Look, I have no earthly idea what goes through Russian generals heads at this point. Realistically, I see them opening another front that Ukraine has to defend along to stretch resources, especially manpower, not really using it as a point to invade.

But ISW has reported false flag attacks in there so far, so I was wondering what was up with that. Because even if the false flag attacks aren't false flags and are real, something is certainly happening.

Really, I'm pleasantly surprised Moldova hasn't invaded Transinistria yet. This is basically their golden opportunity.


They will get troops into Transinistria to invade Odessa by going through... Odessa? That makes less sense than anything else I've heard at this point.

I meant they would two prong it by hitting Odessa to get ti Transnistria

 

[Agent23]

They will get troops into Transinistria to invade Odessa by going through... Odessa? That makes less sense than anything else I've heard at this point.

What the...?
Oh, wait, it is Shoeshinerhelmet, nevermind.

 

[WolfBear]

More Israeli Volunteers joining the Ukrainian Forces, ready to defend the Nazi Regime against the Russian Liberation and DeNazification forces.

Hey, there's a precedent for pro-Nazi Jews!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews

The Association of German National Jews was founded in 1921 by Max Naumann, who was its chairman until 1926 and again from 1933 to 1935, when the association was dissolved.[1] The association was close to the national conservative and monarchist German National People's Party which, however, refused affiliation to the Association.[2]

The goal of the Association was the total assimilation of Jews into the German Volksgemeinschaft, self-eradication of Jewish identity, and the expulsion from Germany of Jewish immigrants from Eastern Europe.[3] Naumann was especially opposed to Zionists and Eastern European Jews. He considered the former a threat to Jewish integration and carriers of a "racist" ideology serving British imperial purposes. He saw the latter as racially and spiritually inferior.[3]

The association's official organ was the monthly Der nationaldeutsche Jude edited by Max Naumann. The magazine had a circulation of 6,000 in 1927.[4]

Among the activities of the Association was the fight against the Jewish boycott of German goods.[5] It also issued a manifesto that stated that the Jews were being fairly treated.

In 1934 the Association made the following statement:[6]

We have always held the well-being of the German people and the fatherland, to which we feel inextricably linked, above our own well-being. Thus we greeted the results of January 1933, even though it has brought hardship for us personally.

A possible reason why some German Jews supported Hitler may have been that they thought that his antisemitism was only for the purpose of "stirring up the masses".[1]

The seemingly ironic fact that a Jewish association advocated loyalty to the Nazi programme gave rise to a contemporary joke about Naumann and his followers ending their meeting by giving the Nazi salute and shouting "Down With Us!".[7][8]

Despite the extreme patriotism of Naumann and his colleagues, the German government did not accept their goal of assimilation. The Association of German National Jews was declared illegal and dissolved on 18 November 1935. Naumann was arrested by the Gestapo the same day and imprisoned at the Columbia concentration camp. He was released after a few weeks, and died of cancer in May 1939.[3]

The bolded part here is especially funny!

"Yo, Meir, why are you reading Nazi propaganda newspapers?"

"Oh, Jacob, I like reading about just how powerful we are!"

 

[WolfBear]

There's a fire at an oil depot in Bryansk Russia. Rob Lee suspects this was more likely caused by Ukrainian action then the other two or three previously publicized fires of Russian sites reported in the media.

Bryansk is actually where my own parents lived until December 1991, when they moved to Israel. We subsequently moved to the US in March 2001.

Here is Zelensky calling Hitler:

 

[planefag]

After three hours of exhaustively cataloging all reported Russian axes of advance over the last two weeks and cross-checking it with what little geolocated video data was out there, I stood back, drew little red arrows on the map and then just sat there staring at the entire fucking front line. The entire front line, like a fat kid belly flopping in a pool, or a VDV paratrooper plunging into the Black Sea.

Then I got myself a drink and drew this.

 

[Arch Dornan]

He's said Jews want to eat people before. I'm quite comfortable calling him racist at this point.

Anyway, back on topic:
Things are apparently heating up in Transinistria. Maybe Russia wants to justify an invasion into Odessa from there?

Speaking of cannibalism, an edgy Ukranian vlogger has been making the rounds pretending to cook and eat Russian man flesh from a wrecked tank. I believe Russian soldiers kept being compared to LoTR orcs so it's quite an edgy juxtaposition there.

YouTube removed that.

 

[Vaermina]

After three hours of exhaustively cataloging all reported Russian axes of advance over the last two weeks and cross-checking it with what little geolocated video data was out there, I stood back, drew little red arrows on the map and then just sat there staring at the entire fucking front line. The entire front line, like a fat kid belly flopping in a pool, or a VDV paratrooper plunging into the Black Sea.

Then I got myself a drink and drew this.

So... Is that supposed to be the front line?

 

[planefag]

I'll have my much belated update out soon and you can see the detailed breakdown for yourself.

tl;dr Russians have gained like... 10km total, kind of in some places. Maybe.

sasuga blyatkrieg