Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)

[Husky_Khan]

Stinger inventory hasnt "run out" or anything yet.

It was reported a month ago that new stock of Stinger missiles would take 18-24 months but it's still in low rate production off of existing components.

Pentagon will accelerate production of missiles Ukraine has requested to refill US stockpiles | CNN Politics

The Defense Department plans to accelerate production of Stinger anti-aircraft missiles and Javelin anti-tank missiles so it can refill its own depleted stocks as it continues to send the vital systems to Ukrainian forces fighting the Russian invasion, according to defense officials.

www.cnn.com

That's from a month ago.

It was reported a month ago

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This is this month's update on the progress of the stinger missile's progress when Ukraine was said to need 500 of them a day.

Ukraine wants 500 Javelin anti-tank missiles and 500 Stinger anti-aircraft missiles delivered from the US daily, according to a recent military assistance wish list. CNN viewed the document that details the items Ukraine believes it needs from the US.

Like I said it's in low rate of production off of existing components and they estimated it'll take 18-24 months (or as your 'new' article states, 2023-2024) to bring up production of new Stingers again, with no insight as to what current inventory levels are but certainly nothing stating that it's zero or even close to that number. Ukraine can ask for a hundred missiles a day, five hundred missiles a day or a thousand missiles a day. So far they've gotten two thousand fourteen hundred with no indication that their deepest most prolific desires are or will be met.

 

[Arch Dornan]

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Like I said it's in low rate of production off of existing components and they estimated it'll take 18-24 months (or as your 'new' article states, 2023-2024) to bring up production of new Stingers again, with no insight as to what current inventory levels are but certainly nothing stating that it's zero or even close to that number. Ukraine can ask for a hundred missiles a day, five hundred missiles a day or a thousand missiles a day. So far they've gotten two thousand with no indication that their deepest most prolific desires are or will be met.

So from that month and then this month, if leadership wants to dump more of it's stockpile at Ukraine at a rate exceeding their MIC production there might be issues later on if that stockpile does need to be touched again if they're needed. Their strategic oil is already being sent to Europe to wean them off Russian goop.

 

[Husky_Khan]

So from that month and then this month, if leadership wants to dump more of it's stockpile at Ukraine at a rate exceeding their MIC production there might be issues later on if that stockpile does need to be touched again if they're needed.

The United States hasn't even pledged more Stingers beyond what has already been sent AFAIK at the beginning of March. Without knowing what the original stockpile is (which is unknown because it hasn't been released obviously) then it's pure speculation and clickbaiting news titles.

The only facts known (and known as of a month ago) are basically the same. That it'll take more than a year to build new Stinger missiles beyond a low rate of production using Raytheon sourced components.

 

[Vaermina]

The only facts known (and known as of a month ago) are basically the same. That it'll take more than a year to build new Stinger missiles beyond a low rate of production using Raytheon sourced components.

And that's only if the President doesn't invoke the Defense Production Act.

Because if he does, that number goes down to almost nothing.

 

[Arch Dornan]

And that's only if the President doesn't invoke the Defense Production Act.

Because if he does, that number goes down to almost nothing.

Those four years may just throw a spanner in that with the economy and Russian hijinks.

 

[Zachowon]

Trent Telenko with another thread, this one pertaining to how much better organized American logistics is in comparison to the logistical practices that have been reportedly been practiced by Russian forces as well as pointing out the intelligence failure in apparently not realizing such despite such analysis having been released for public knowledge since the era of the Cold War.



A Ukrainian Su-25 dogfights with a Russian Su-25 and reportedly damages it in the engagement, chasing it away.



Seperatist Authoroties are setting up Checkpoints being set up in Transnistria, with the local Russian forces put on High Alert and reportedly a fair number of locals there fleeing to Moldova at the moment.



Reportedly Successful Ukrainian artillery strikes on Russian Armored Forces in Zaporizhia, in South Central Ukraine.



Another reportedly successful Ukrainian Artillery Strike on other Russian Armored Forces in the Eastern Ukraine.

Eh, he isn't really accurate with how the MI sees things. The Army overestimates to prepare for the worst.

Those four years may just throw a spanner in that with the economy and Russian hijinks.

If the defense production act is activated it gets to be where all resources are forced into war making.

 

[Arch Dornan]

If the defense production act is activated it gets to be where all resources are forced into war making.

In theory. It did work prior but I don't know if it'll work this time.

 

[Vaermina]

In theory. It did work prior but I don't know if it'll work this time.

It always works... Because it's not something a company can say no to...

 

[Arch Dornan]

It always works... Because it's not something a company can say no to...

They can if the resources they need for certain components isn't commercially available when the US has transitioned into a service economy.

The other matter's the economy and the future generation.

If either fails, the resources to supply the weapon can be affected.

 

[Sailor.X]

Ain't I a stinker.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Ain't I a stinker.

No you're not.

Ever since soldiers exists everyone's military downgrades or improves only to downgrade again.

 

[strunkenwhite]

They can if the resources they need for certain components isn't commercially available when the US has transitioned into a service economy.

The other matter's the economy and the future generation.

If either fails, the resources to supply the weapon can be affected.

It's not the case that the US doesn't have the ability to make the stuff: it's just that the specific originally designed parts aren't being currently made so they'll have to either recreate the production lines or more likely design modern equivalents, as I believe the article stated.

It's also not the case that the US doesn't have the manufacturing throughput. We're not talking about WWII-level needs here.

If you want to argue that there will be a general economic downturn so severe that the American military-industrial complex is crippled, that's ... logically consistent but I think quite unlikely in the near term where the ongoing war will be decided.

 

[Arch Dornan]

It's not the case that the US doesn't have the ability to make the stuff: it's just that the specific originally designed parts aren't being currently made so they'll have to either recreate the production lines or more likely design modern equivalents, as I believe the article stated.

It's also not the case that the US doesn't have the manufacturing throughput. We're not talking about WWII-level needs here.

If you want to argue that there will be a general economic downturn so severe that the American military-industrial complex is crippled, that's ... logically consistent but I think quite unlikely in the near term where the ongoing war will be decided.

No. I simply see the supply chain being disrupted there'll be more delays because of its offshoring when China has the current monopoly on rare metals.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Even if Russia declares war, using conscripts and reservists would be a deeply unpopular move, they will sooner use convicts than do that.

They do that already to...an extent. It's anecdotal what I know, but Russia lets and gets everyone in the armed forces. A Russian friend of mine, a mastiff of 100 kilos of muscles, said even he wouldn't join the army because of that.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

I think you underestimate how much the sanctions have embittered Russians against the west.

 

[TheRejectionist]

I think you underestimate how much the sanctions have embittered Russians against the west.

I don't know about that, mostly because I had no way to access information on the subject since most news of Russia by Russians and so on is either totally blocked (even on Telegram, I do not know how the Italian government convinced/managed to tell Telegram that Sputnik and co violated Italian law) or shadowbanned.

What I know and hope is that the Russian government (and to an extent, some of the Russian people) will do everything to win. I am not entirely sure the NATO and Europhiles have that much stomach for it with the exception of Poland, Baltics and Slovakia.

 

[Agent23]

Simp Kiro(Bulgarian PM) has achieved something incredible.
He has unified the long-divided bulgarian people.
In their desire to see him tarred, feathered, defenstrated into a pile of dung, and then have large rocks thrown upon him.
Great job making us dependent on more expensive Turk-controlled gas and being a bootlicker for his Euro-Atlanticist Neo-Libtard buddies from Harvard.
He should be stripped of his citizenship and sent back to Canada to asslick the Substitute Drama teacher and the hereditary nazi cunt that pulls his strings.
Bulgarian President: The Government owes a Definite Answer to the Citizens whose Interests it Serves - Novinite.com - Sofia News Agency

 

[Abhorsen]

Well,according to what i read,average russians really belive so.In one book/forget title,as usual/ author argue,that it is thanks to mongol heritage where khagan could do anything he wonted as long as he deliver order and other states feared him.
Maybe it is true,maybe not.

Please stop with you constant racism. Or at least if you need to continue posting it, at least use a spell check like grammerly.

 

[Agent23]

Please stop with you constant racism. Or at least if you need to continue posting it, at least use a spell check like grammerly.

English is not his first language, and judging by his demeanor he is younger than me and Poland was better off, so he probably didn't have the benefit of learning half-way decent English from Cartoon Network(And TCM/TNT), like I did.

 

[Abhorsen]

English is not his first language, and judging by his demeanor he is younger than me and Poland was better off, so he probably didn't have the benefit of learning half-way decent English from Cartoon Network(And TCM/TNT), like I did.

I know that, hence my suggestion of a free grammar help thing. I wouldn't have commented though if it wasn't for his unrelated constant racism (not just that post) and stupidity. If I have to read racist stupidity, I want to not have to struggle to understand it. Obviously not a mod request, but it would be nice.