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Blasterbot

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That is a good example - it doesn't matter one bit if you excuse open foreign influence agents or want the law to handle them, if leftists have the sufficient power to use that kind of law against you, then they also have the power to pass it in the convenient for it form and to invent a reason to use it against you like done here.
There is no "giving" them attack vectors, if they can use them, then they also have the power to make their own new ones on the spot.
The truly insane alternative option is "we have to tolerate jihadist recruiters and open foreign agents and defend them with all our political capital because leftists exist and so they will use any laws against the above against us".
Sorry, i don't remember deciding to be some kind of anarchist or idealistic international leftist to say that kind of bullshit. Screw traitors and jihadists, and leftists too.
Then know that the right will be deemed traitors and treated with every respect you tell them that a traitor must be treated with. just because they are already armed doesn't mean it makes no difference if we hand them another knife to drive into our backs.
 

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Then know that the right will be deemed traitors and treated with every respect you tell them that a traitor must be treated with. just because they are already armed doesn't mean it makes no difference if we hand them another knife to drive into our backs.
And the leftists, given the power to do so, will do that regardless of what the right says about outright foreign enemies and their agents, nor what law they advocate.
The problem is leftists having any power, not lack of the right's willingness to castrate the national security as much as idealist leftists and anarchists want, as that does nothing to even slow down the leftists meaningfully, just makes you look ridiculous and nonsensical in context of foreign policy like they always did. I for one rebuke this kind of sneaky left-anarchist entryism with extreme prejudice.
Yet in the end, the reality is that wherever severe laws against treason were lifted, it's always leftists doing it. Coincidence?
 

Zyobot

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If push comes to shove, imperialism by the major nuclear powers is infinitely better than every single two-bit nation throwing around nuclear weapons. We already have one North Korea; we do not need a world full of them.

Pretty sure a relatively stable country like Poland having nukes is different than fucking North Korea having them.

And really, I’m curious as to what kinds of consequences you believe should be imposed on other countries that develop nukes? I know they’ve gradually been phasing them out, as is, but I find it odd that already-nuclear nations like Russia and China wouldn’t be punished if you had your way, while Poland would be.
 

ShadowArxxy

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And really, I’m curious as to what kinds of consequences you believe should be imposed on other countries that develop nukes? I know they’ve gradually been phasing them out, as is, but I find it odd that already-nuclear nations like Russia and China wouldn’t be punished if you had your way, while Poland would be.

Broadly speaking, withdrawal of all civil nuclear aid, withdrawal of military aid, loss of treaty protections, general economic sanctions.

Pretty sure a relatively stable country like Poland having nukes is different than fucking North Korea having them.

Any country is "relatively stable" compared to North Korea, but that doesn't change the fact that the more two-bit nations have nukes, the more inherently unstable the world becomes. The world was at its safest when only the United States had atomics, but the genie's out of the bottle there. Doesn't mean we should go letting everyone have bottles.
 

DarthOne

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What is wrong with stable nations having nukes to protect against invasion?
Probably because it will keep the USA from being able to easily curbstomp them into the ground whenever the US government from deciding its time for more foreign adventures and ‘peace keeping’ regardless of if it’s justified enough.

Or does the phrase ‘Saddam has weapons of mass destruction’ not ring any bells?
 
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Zyobot

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To an extent, I can sympathize with both sides of the nuclear debate.

Maybe this belongs in another thread, but I get why smaller and less overtly mighty nations (such as Poland) might want their own nukes as a deterrent against imperialistic greater powers (such as Russia) who haven't recanted their ways and remain unapologetic over past atrocities towards them. True, the US may have still nukes stationed there, but at the same time, just because that's how it is now doesn't mean it won't withdraw a few decades down the line — leaving Eastern Europe to its own devices, if Russia decides to reclaim more of the former Soviet republics.

Not to mention the "unfairness" argument, in the sense of already-nuclear powers still being allowed to keep (albeit gradually downsize) their arsenals, despite regularly having too many close calls of their own (whereas everyone else is forbidden from having as little as one or two). Really, if the US and USSR are allowed to bring the world within a hair's breadth of World War III numerous times, perhaps they should take a good long look in the mirror before casting stones from their glass houses at less powerful nations that want a few deterrents of their own.

On the other hand... "Too many close calls!" is probably a good reason for the world as a whole to disarm — even though that requires a concerted effort by everyone, which is a laughable pipe-dream when North Korea is involved. Plus, the more nuclear powers, the more people who have (and could potentially misuse) nukes in the future. Nothing's come of it over the 78 years since Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but given that 78 years is a drop in the bucket compared to the grand scheme of human history, we shouldn't assume it will always be that way — especially once our century's problems really come to a head.


Really, I just hope that regardless of nuclear proliferation, anti-nuclear defense systems that take down nukes before they detonate work as promised when the time comes. Vaguely aware of certain missiles and other countermeasures that exist already, though maybe further developments in laser weapons the US Military has been testing throughout the last decade or so could bear fruit over the next 30 to 40 years. Hopefully, they've got some pretty robust laser-defense grids up by then.
 

ATP

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That's quite ridiculous. I see no reason the United States should even remotely entertain permitting you to become a nuclear power.
Then do that without them permitting it,just like Izrael.
They want us as their guards in Europe? fine,we do that - for money,technology and do not protesting when we get H bombs.
Exactly like Izrael in Middle East.

Once we do not have choice,or USA would sell us to Moscov again - but now we could kowtow to Pekin,not only USA.
I prefer USA to China - but,they still should pay for our servives.
 

ATP

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If you mean ‘not being self hating and self destructive and going more in line with the German Empire cultural and ethnically without going Full Retarded (aka Nazi)’ then I am all for it.
There was not german empire,but Prussian one.And ,they always want Poland destroyed.
Only normal Germany was that made from many free states with HRE emperor who could do notching.
Anytching else,and you have Berlin Empire starting WW3.
If not them then the British. Or the French. Or the Spanish. Or the Turks. Or the Poles. Or the Russians. Or…
Those nations do not started any WW.When germans started two.
And,russians do not longer exist,so they could do notching.And postsoviets we have are as bad as germans ,or worst.
 

DarthOne

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There was not german empire,but Prussian one.And ,they always want Poland destroyed.
Only normal Germany was that made from many free states with HRE emperor who could do notching.
Anytching else,and you have Berlin Empire starting WW3.

Those nations do not started any WW.When germans started two.
And,russians do not longer exist,so they could do notching.And postsoviets we have are as bad as germans ,or worst.
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Yes yes keep spewing that WW1 propaganda. Never mind that Serbia and Russia have a much better claim at starting WW1.
 

mrttao

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I would not go as far as calling him a nazi, authoritarian and jingoist - maybe.
Nazi was in scare quotes
Scare quotes (also called shudder quotes,[1][2] sneer quotes,[3] and quibble marks) are quotation marks that writers place around a word or phrase to signal that they are using it in an ironic, referential, or otherwise non-standard sense.[4] Scare quotes may indicate that the author is using someone else's term, similar to preceding a phrase with the expression "so-called";[5] they may imply skepticism or disagreement, belief that the words are misused, or that the writer intends a meaning opposite to the words enclosed in quotes.[6] Whether quotation marks are considered scare quotes depends on context because scare quotes are not visually different from actual quotations. The use of scare quotes is sometimes discouraged in formal or academic writing.[7][8]
I know he is not an actual nazi. But woke cultist would call him one
 

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Bacle

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Russian Village to be Home to Conservative Americans?

Russia is floating a plan to build a village for conservative Americans who want to move to a 'Christian country' and are tired of liberal ideology in the US

TLDR: "The village, slated for construction in Moscow's suburbs in 2024, is meant for conservative families who want to "emigrate for ideological reasons," said immigration lawyer Timur Beslangurov on Thursday, according to RIA Novosti."
Will be funny to see how many tradcon fools fall for this shit.

Good riddance to any who do.
 

Bacle

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Or Poland is taking this opportunity to grind their anti-German ax.
Well, is that a surprise that Poland takes a dim view of a former German head of state helping Russia evade sanctions?

I mean beyond all the other historical beef Poland has with the Krauts, this is a rather amazing level compromising the German gov that Russia has shown it was able to do.
 

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Seems the UK giving Ukraine the Storm Shadow missiles means Sevestopol is now, or soon will be, in weapons range of Ukraine's latest weapon delivery.
 

DarthOne

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Well, is that a surprise that Poland takes a dim view of a former German head of state helping Russia evade sanctions?

I mean beyond all the other historical beef Poland has with the Krauts, this is a rather amazing level compromising the German gov that Russia has shown it was able to do.
I’m saying that the Polish are exaggerating things or maybe flat up making stuff up because of their previous history with Germany.

And even if Germany did do what the Poles say, can we really blame the Germans for not wanting to shoot themselves in the foot economically and everything else by getting invited in a war that doesn’t involve them? Especially given how well going against Russia went for them the last time.
 
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