China Wuhan Virus Pandemic
- Thread starter Arch Dornan
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I hope so,too.But after so many policeman and politicians kneeled instead of fight,i fear of future.
The "deadliest strain of COVID yet!" will be replaced by yet another "deadliest" strain in another six months or so. I don't believe a word of it, given that this excuse has been reused constantly in the last year or so to the point it's all now bread and circuses. Governments and various political entities love this pandemic because it's allowing them to give Chinese-like control over its people and their lives and, for those who have stakes/ties in the medical industry, it's making them richer than Mr Burns.
It's like they're literally throwing a fucking dart at a map and naming a new variant depending on where the tip lands.
The trouble with the "numbers" is that because of the biases and political contamination most Western and international scientific organizations have these days (yes, that includes the WHO) that have been shown over the course of these two plus years? I don't trust a single digit of them. It's irreparably damaged my perception of them.
Perfect example? COVID deaths.
"He died of COVID." "No, he was tested for COVID, had either a negative or positive result for having a member of the viral family, and then got hit by a fucking train. He's rail-track pizza."
"She died of COVID." "No, she died of terminal kidney cancer. She caught COVID, but she was literally a step in death's door already, having like a month left to live before catching it."
I'll take my chances.
Except your numbers still don't add up.
Because even if they ARE inflating the number of Covid deaths. It still ends up somewhere between a 1 in 100 to 1 in 200 chance of dying compared with a 1 in 1 million chance of temporary vaccine aftereffects outside of the expected body reaction norm.
Of course... Even if you aren't one of the unlucky one's who die there's a number of debilitating life effects that can occur when you get Covid... Like the 1 in 4 chance of loosing your sense of Smell/Taste for multiple months afterwords... Which alone was enough to weight the scales for me to get the double shot Moderna vaccine...
Really... Statistics wise the only people who have an actual reason not to get the vaccine are people with actual health issues that prevent it...
Airedale260
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That plus those of us with respiratory issues to begin with are at a *much* higher risk for dying from it if we contract it...I got the Pfizer vaccine the day after I was notified I was eligible (I would have taken Moderna had it been the option but personally preferred Pfizer).
It’s possible there are undetected side effects, but given how these vaccines were produced (as well as knowing a couple of people who worked in the biotech sector, and vaccine trials and production for years), the risks are really really low compared to COVID.
The vaccines’ production may have been much faster than we have ever seen, but when something like Operation: Warp Speed is put into action, it’s truly amazing what this country can do in a crisis. It doesn’t mean that corners were cut in production, rather its “follow the safety protocols but don’t get tangled up in the FDA bureaucratic morass).”
As a result, we have not one, not two, but three vaccines at between 90-95% effectiveness (depending on variant), and a third at 66.3% (though it only requires a single dose). Note that all four are 100% effective in preventing hospitalization and death even if the individual contracts COVID (that is, it’s still possible to get it, but the health risks are much lower.*
It’s possible that this one guy had some bad reaction or, hell, could have contracted COVID. But unless we start seeing multiple cases of side effects from the vaccine (as we saw with the panic over the J&J vaccine vis a vis blood clot concerns), I wouldn’t worry. Hell, even the press can’t cover that up.
*-Meanwhile, AstraZeneca is also pretty effective (gotta give the UK credit; yes, I know it’s a joint British-Swedish company but the vaccine was developed by scientists at Oxford); Sputnik is hard to say because the Russians used an incredibly small sample size to test it, and there haven’t been any real clinical trials in North America or Europe. However, the Gamaleya Institute’s been around for a long time (founded in 1891), so it’s not some fly-by-night operation.
Now, as for Merck/the Pasteur Institute and Sanofi...well, they tried but the former gave up and switched to producing jabs made by other countries, and the latter says it won’t be ready until end of this year at best.
And as for China...well, I feel bad for the average person on the street there but it’s morbidly funny that the country responsible for this global clusterfuck due to shortcuts in bio safety has a vaccine that’s at best 50% effective and probably also had significant shortcuts in bio safety...
It's honestly amazing that China could even have a two shot vaccine with a 50% effectiveness... Because it means there has to have been some super high levels of corruption going on with it's development... But what's more amazing then that is China even letting that waste of a vaccine past their borders... Because the loss of face as it fails to perform has been enormous.
gral
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Some doctors here colloquially call the Chinese CoronaVac 'PlaceboVac'. By and large, the Brazilian government is going with Pfizer and Astrazeneca vaccines - personal preference(and I'll have to chose one; I work for the government, and they WILL demand a vaccination confirmation) is for Pfizer.
The real concern seems to be around the long-term effects of these new and experimental types of "vaccines". Giving the immune system a dead or weakened version of a virus as a chew-toy is an old and well-tested method.
But the Pfizer vaccine uses mRNA to make the patient's own cells produce the spike proteins (the most dangerous part of the virus!). There is already evidence of said proteins accumulating in certain parts of the body (eg women's ovaries), causing blood clots, etc.
In the long run it could cause auto-immune problems.
But the Pfizer vaccine uses mRNA to make the patient's own cells produce the spike proteins (the most dangerous part of the virus!). There is already evidence of said proteins accumulating in certain parts of the body (eg women's ovaries), causing blood clots, etc.
In the long run it could cause auto-immune problems.
This exactly.
The old dead virus vaccines aren't the concern, it's the new mRNA shit that is effectively low-grade genetic engineering.
We do not have enough long term data on the mRNA stuff to trust it is as safe as the dead virus shots, and it does seem to have side-effects happening on a scale and with a freq that I do not remember seeing in other shots.
Actually we do. mRNA technology has been in use for decades.
Also the side effects like the clotting issues are from the deactivated virus vaccines not the mRNA vaccines. The only one from the mRNA vaccine's are very very rare cases of minor heart inflammation in men between the ages of 18 and 30.
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Yet it's heart inflammation we are hearing about now as another fatal side-effect. Is that from the dead-virus of the mRNA? Because it sounds like it's coming from more than one type.
And I want to see data that shows it's the dead-shot version causing the clots. If that's true, well then I won't get that shot either.
Really would prefer to have my immune system handle it on its own. I'm not at risk, I know how to handle a bad flu, and all the at risk people in my life already got the shot.
Er... The very very rare cases of mild heart inflammation related to the mRNA vaccine itself isn't fatal...
In fact of the total seven who have actually had it occur so far, all seven got better after routine treatment with anti-inflammatory drugs.
And to repeat, you're basically looking at a 1 in a million chance.
Airedale260
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Oh, it's as much for domestic consumption as it is foreign, because China is painting reports of its crappiness as "Racist American propaganda." Basically it's like when they shipped all that unusable medical equipment to... Italy? It's all for show rather than an attempt to actually fix the problem.
Having had the Pfizer vaccine I can say make sure you down water like there's a run on supplies before getting the shots. I had a mild headache and slept for a while after each one but that could also have been due to my allergies going berserk/changes in weather.
Pfizer I think has a better chance of preventing you from contracting COVID but both are completely effective at keeping you out of the hospital/dying from it.
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As for the other bit, as someone who knows several people who have contracted COVID and survived, when you say "I'd prefer my own immune system handle it on its own" I will reiterate (because I'm pretty sure someone said this earlier in the thread), "No, no you do not."
All of the people I know who caught it were out of commission for several weeks, and even now, 6+ MONTHS LATER, are STILL not fully recovered. It leaves lingering respiratory and other effects (constantly being tired, lower levels of energy, etc), that MAY BE PERMANENT. This virus was tailored (and yes, I'm strongly convinced it was released due to a lab accident after it had been modified to make it even more deadly) to fuck over humans in particular. Now, if you want to risk long-term to permanent disability...okay, hey, fine, but don't complain if it happens. The response to it may be off the wall in some aspects, but the virus itself is no fucking joke.
Now, I do also know of one or two people who had bad reactions to the Pfizer vaccine as well (one of whom was elderly and wound up being hospitalized for a few days), so I won't say "Oh, nothing will happen" because, yes, vaccine reactions are abnormal but do happen (speaking as someone who's had one or two, though not that severe). Moderna I know has knocked people on their asses for 24 hours after each jab, but they were fine after. And I also know people who had NO problems with Pfizer, Moderna, or J&J/Janssen (note: I don't know of anyone who's had the Novavax jab so I can't comment on it beyond what a quick Google search or review of CDC/WHO data says).
So...risk of 24-hour flu-like symptoms vs long-term to permanent respiratory and other health issues? Obviously it's your call but think carefully and maybe talk to people who have actually had the misfortune of getting it.
Na, that's Moderna, but it's only like 1.7% difference, which is small enough that statistics wise they likely have the same effectiveness.
And I've known people my age and in my condition that had it, lost some taste/smell for a bit and were tired for a few weeks after, but nothing worse.
Also, asking me to trust CDC numbers...seriously? After all the CDC political bullshit and lies you think we can actually trust their numbers for anything related to the Wu Flu?
Pull the other one, it has bells on it.
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Yup: As I mentioned in my post, I don't trust agencies like the CDC anymore. They're contaminated by political and social bias. Hell, we have fucking scientists admitting they didn't want to investigate the lab-leak theory or that drug that may have helped because it was politically linked to the "Evil Drumph".
The WHO? Didn't want to piss off China --fucking China-- who caused this plague in the first place, either accidentally through typical Chinese competency or from natural evolution from how fucking disgustingly dirty their wet markets are.
How many lives could have been saved? How much misery and pain could have been prevented?
So, yeah: Their words and statistics mean as much as a big ol' pile of horses' shit, now.
LOL.
I haven't been following this new Ivermectin stuff but I heard about YouTube taking down videos relating to it as being misinformation. Is this just the new Hydroxychloroquin type deal? It's bad because Big Pharma says its bad or something?
I haven't been following this new Ivermectin stuff but I heard about YouTube taking down videos relating to it as being misinformation. Is this just the new Hydroxychloroquin type deal? It's bad because Big Pharma says its bad or something?
Covid: Ivermectin to be studied as possible treatment in UK
Scientists begin to give the drug to people at home with symptoms to see if it can keep them out of hospital.
www.bbc.com
No idea: Never heard of it.
But given past behavior, it wouldn't surprise me.
But given past behavior, it wouldn't surprise me.