China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

Husky_Khan said:
LOL.

I haven't been following this new Ivermectin stuff but I heard about YouTube taking down videos relating to it as being misinformation. Is this just the new Hydroxychloroquin type deal? It's bad because Big Pharma says its bad or something?
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In Brazil, there are many people who treat it as snake oil because it's something that 'Bolsonaro supporters believe'. So yes, it's the new HCQ type deal.

My opinion... well, I've been taking Ivermectin for... 6-7 months now(once every 10-15 days; I also take Vitamin D and Zinc). AFAIK, I haven't caught COVID yet, although whether it's due to Ivermectin or not can't be really attested. I also haven't had any problems that can be attributed to Ivermectin, so far.
 
Something from teh internets....

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Scottty said:
Something from teh internets....

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Uh, this apparently happened about nine months before the COVID vaccine was developed. As far as I can tell, it's been circulating on Facebook since the end of March this year, but nobody's actually been able to determine who the baby referred to in this is, nor is anyone saying they found a report of this being a side effect.

The closest thing I found was an addict who delivered a stillborn child at 29 weeks and who developed TTP, but this appears to be one of those "randomly appears on social media devoid of critical context" things.

Not saying it can't happen, and maybe it is a typo, but you may want to do some additional checking to verify this first.
 

The irony is that the now more-common Delta variant is already 6x more dangerous to those who have been vaccinated than to those who haven't. So there is no reason for anyone to get the shots in the first place.

The media narrative is already shifting toward the inevitable "mistakes were made" phase. So don't be a mistake, no matter how many genetically modified idiots happen to surround you.
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Bacle said:




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I thought that some people get inflamation was already established?

The more important question is how often does it happen?

And to look at the actual presentation material:

"These reports are rare, given the number of vaccine doses administered, and have been reported after mRNA Covid-19 vaccination"

"Most patients who received care responded well to medicine and rest and quickly felt better."


So, this does not appear to be alarming. To be clear, I have not and do not plan to take the vaccine, but if you're sharing these with the intention of depicting the vaccine as something dangerous, this looks like evidence against, not in support of, your position.
 
Scottty said:
That is hardly a convincing response. What do you mean?
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The only accurate thing in that blog post, or even in the blogpost that blogger tries to use as evidence, is that there's a statistical bump in people who get the vaccines getting myocarditis.

To actually break down the numbers, because those bloggers sure as hell didn't, according to the VAERS data men below the age of 30 who get the vaccine have a roughly 1 in 25,000 or 0.004% chance of getting mild easily treated myocarditis.

And I repeat here, mild and easily treated.

Because contrary to what those bloggers seem to think, this is not severe viral caused myocarditis.

Further, and again contrary to what those two bloggers seem to believe, Covid itself causes a similar statistically noticeable bump in myocarditis cases.

And on that note, even the known death rate aside, you have a statistically much higher chance of suffering long term effects from Covid itself then you do this small easily treated short term effect from the vaccine.
 
Vaermina said:
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Because it's not one of the vaccine's box listed side effects so on the 1 in 25,000 chance it happens you can sue for medical costs...
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That's not gonna help you if you can't afford, or perceive you can't afford, the ER visit to begin and you die in your home. It also won't help you because the federal government decided that covid vaccine manufacturers aren't liable for side effects. I don't disagree with you on principle and I think I understand what it is you're trying to say. That said, answering what the cost of treatment is with well you can sue for medical costs is ridiculous. Also, Myocarditis has no singular treatment. You can treat the symptoms and hope it goes away, or go in for a valve replacement.

To answer your question Scotty, the cost of treating myocarditis varies on a lot of factors, and it varies wildly from hospital to hospital; at least here in the USA. Keep in mind that some hospitals have cost sharing plans or coinsurance plans, and depending on the treatment, scans and tests, cardiac specialist costs, and length of stay the price-tag can swing by a huge margin. With a quick google search I found a projection report from the early 2000's that says the average cost of treating a heart attack was around $21,000.00. Surely the cost has gone up in the 20-odd years since then; and especially with the price gouging thanks to socialized medicine initiatives.

Now for my opinion. Take it or leave it.
As with all illnesses there are risks with and without treatment. Risks that need to be taken seriously. Risks not just to your physical health, but also your mental health. I find that for me, the best thing to do is as much research as I can and make an educated decision. I do not trust the media, our government, the CDC or the WHO to tell me what is and isn't good for me and my family. I trust hard facts, not political spin. For covid the risk/reward is simple to me. Do my personal health issues, age and living conditions warrant getting the vaccines to avoid complications from getting the full blown sickness?
 
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