China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

The One Char said:
You're trying to say

isn't deflecting? Then again, you're not here to debate so much as you are to preach.
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I'm honestly not sure what you think I was deflecting from, so yeah I guess I'm saying it's not.

Scottty said:
"Orange Man Bad" is no excuse for scientific malpractice.
Unless you mean that the scientists were afraid to speak up, because it would get them attacked by the anti-Trump people?
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Not the wording I'd use, and I suspect we disagree on details, but in a sense yes.

Chaos Marine said:
Of course. He was getting shat on non-stop by people who are objectively worse than him morally speaking. So much so that scientists were literally refusing to do their jobs either for fear of the people who hate Trump or because they're just as bad as those people. If you want an example of this happening, look at the creator of Five Nights at Freddy's. Because he's a republican and donated to republicans he's been threatened and there are doxx attempts for his home and pregnant wife. In fairness to the scientist, fears of being subjected to similar ordeals may be the primary example they kept quiet and it would be very understandable.

As I said before, I want to emphasis that for five years Trump was relentless and ever increasingly intensely smeared by the media, Hollywood elite, social media giants etc. That all adds up. A "comedian" held up a bloodied replica of his dismembered head and people cheered for it. I don't think you give due credit to what the constant bombardment of "Orange man bad," agitprop has on people and how they perceive Trump. It's literal brainwashing.
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I think there's ample evidence and testimony that trumps bad behaviour stretches back long before he ever became president and thrust himself into the centre of the media circus. Also, mistreatment of trumps "allies" as often as not comes from trumps own quarter. Steve Bannon and John Bolton copped it pretty rough.

I disagree that anti-Trump sentiment is a result of the media coverage in a meaningful way. Rather I believe that strong and fairly widespread dislike for Trump exists and the media pander to that to a degree. Or a large part of mainstream media anyway.
 
Megadeath said:
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I think there's ample evidence and testimony that trumps bad behaviour stretches back long before he ever became president and thrust himself into the centre of the media circus. Also, mistreatment of trumps "allies" as often as not comes from trumps own quarter. Steve Bannon and John Bolton copped it pretty rough.

I disagree that anti-Trump sentiment is a result of the media coverage in a meaningful way. Rather I believe that strong and fairly widespread dislike for Trump exists and the media pander to that to a degree. Or a large part of mainstream media anyway.
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Yeah no. I completely and absolutely disagree. Trump was loved if not enjoyed by both sides with a tiny minority of exceptions. It only started when he declared he was going to run for president on the Republican ticket. It was only then that I heard nothing but constant garbage. "Oh he's a talk show host!" and "He's a failed business man!" I don't really care about Bannon and Bolton was a war monger and Trump seemed pretty adamant on stopping the wars. Remember how those diplomats lied to Trump about the troops being pulled out when they weren't? Still amazed they're not in jail or punished for that. Or how he successfully mediated peace between Israel and multiple Islamic countries. N. Korea and S. Korea. Kosovo and Serbia (both renaming a shared lake in his honour). This is getting off topic so I'm going to stop here but again, you're wrong. The main hatred of Trump came from the media, Hollywood elite and social media company's constant Orange man bad rhetoric which lead to scientists fearing being called racist by the new SJW religious orthodoxy and fucking up royally in regards to the China Virus.
 
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Megadeath said:
I think there's ample evidence and testimony that trumps bad behaviour stretches back long before he ever became president and thrust himself into the centre of the media circus. Also, mistreatment of trumps "allies" as often as not comes from trumps own quarter. Steve Bannon and John Bolton copped it pretty rough.

I disagree that anti-Trump sentiment is a result of the media coverage in a meaningful way. Rather I believe that strong and fairly widespread dislike for Trump exists and the media pander to that to a degree. Or a large part of mainstream media anyway.
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Trump was so beloved by the Democrats they wanted him in a supervisory position and urged him to run for President... as a Democrat in the 90s. Then he did run, as a Republican, and the Democratic view of him changed slightly from their previous standard of "Please become our leader."

www.nytimes.com

Trump Urged To Head Gala Of Democrats (Published 1987)

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EXCLUSIVE: Chinese Defector's Identity Confirmed, Was Top Counterintelligence Official

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Top Chinese counterintelligence official defected to US, provided intel on Wuhan lab and China's bioweapons programs: Reports | Blaze Media

There are multiple reports that a top Chinese official, who is reportedly "close to" Chinese President Xi Jinping, has defected to the United States. The reports claim that the defector is cooperating with a U.S. intelligence agency, providing eye-opening intel about the Wuhan Institute of...
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townhall.com

Here's What the Chinese Defector Has Reportedly Given Us About COVID...But Also on Joe and Hunter Biden

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Vaermina said:
You realize Jimmy Dore is a 55 year old comedian who in this instance is doing a bit about the ache's and pains of old age right?
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This doesn't look like part of his typical comedic routine -- if anything, it's a few moments of anti-brevity during his routine ---Everything he's describing has started to occur after he had the jab, not because of "aches and pains of old age".

The rest of his comments? About people being afraid to speak up, lest they be decried as being Trumpers Satan Worshipers by how batshit insane people have become? I can easily believe that -- hell, we see evidence of this all the time, especially in fields that involve media and science/medical.

I find this completely believable and realistic, but MSM are completely biased and covering anything "negative" towards the various vaccines up under the guise of such criticism being "fake news" and "alt-right Trump supporting shit" and the like.

And this isn't going into the issues regarding blood clots, secondary illnesses and infections, and reproductive issues regarding periods in women that people had trouble with after taking a vaccine.

Frankly, I consider you fucking insane playing Russian Roulette if you get a jab.

Of course, I and others like me would be collectively labelled as one of those batshit insane Antivaxxors who believe vaccines cause "autism", "shed", and "will poison people with chemicals like mercury" by people. smh
 
ATP said:
Probably he engaged - but you knew,some of Holocaust victims were bullies,too.What are you doing is equivalent of saing that both jews and germans who killed them were the same.I do not belive so.
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No. There is no kind of equivalence between the suffering inflicted during the bloody holocaust, and the media circus trump voluntarily stepped into. That's a disgusting comparison. The reason it's different is that in one case it's a bully who's also suffering similar bullying, in the other instance an entire people (Some of whom undoubtedly were bullies.) suffered genocide, theft, rape, forced separation of families and every other crime imaginable under the sun, as part of a state run persecution.

If you in any way see what happened to trump as comparable to what happened to the jews you need a serious reality check.
 
Megadeath said:
No. There is no kind of equivalence between the suffering inflicted during the bloody holocaust, and the media circus trump voluntarily stepped into. That's a disgusting comparison. The reason it's different is that in one case it's a bully who's also suffering similar bullying, in the other instance an entire people (Some of whom undoubtedly were bullies.) suffered genocide, theft, rape, forced separation of families and every other crime imaginable under the sun, as part of a state run persecution.

If you in any way see what happened to trump as comparable to what happened to the jews you need a serious reality check.
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While I agree with some of your comment, I'd add that it's not there yet but give it time. A woman got fired because she made a completely innocuous and factually correct statement that dehumanizing people can lead to abuses and you have stories starting to come out of the wood work in which teachers are pushing narratives that if you're right-wing or a Republican you're an innately bad person. I suppose we'll have to see what will happen in a few years and if the similarities will follow along the path I think they'll take.
 
Megadeath said:
No. There is no kind of equivalence between the suffering inflicted during the bloody holocaust, and the media circus trump voluntarily stepped into. That's a disgusting comparison. The reason it's different is that in one case it's a bully who's also suffering similar bullying, in the other instance an entire people (Some of whom undoubtedly were bullies.) suffered genocide, theft, rape, forced separation of families and every other crime imaginable under the sun, as part of a state run persecution.

If you in any way see what happened to trump as comparable to what happened to the jews you need a serious reality check.
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genocide of normal americans do not happened...yet.But you are arleady many crystal nights made by Antifa and BLM,and normals are showed in leftist media as nicely as jews in Germany in 1939.
Gave Kamala few terms,and you get your genocide.
 
ATP said:
genocide of normal americans do not happened...yet.But you are arleady many crystal nights made by Antifa and BLM,and normals are showed in leftist media as nicely as jews in Germany in 1939.
Gave Kamala few terms,and you get your genocide.
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I don't think that white Americans would be as non-resisting as the Jews of Eastern Europe.
 
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Scottty said:
I don't think that white Americans would be as non-resisting as the Jews of Eastern Europe.
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I should hope so. Never forget, disarming the civilian population is something the Nazis did too.

More on-topic:

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Wuhan Institute of Virology nominated for China's top science award

The laboratory was put forward for the Chinese Academy of Sciences' 2021 Outstanding Science and Technology Achievement Prize.
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Fauci doubles down on claim that attacks on him are ‘actually criticizing science’

“It is essential as a scientist that you evolve your opinion and your recommendations based on the data as it evolves,” Anthony Fauci said during an interview with the podcast “Sw…
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Jormungandr said:
Frankly, I consider you fucking insane playing Russian Roulette if you get a jab.
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You might want to stop and actually look at the numbers before saying stuff like that.

Because you are looking at the difference between a 1 in 1 million chance of some temporary side effects vs a 1 in 50 chance of dying when you end up getting the Delta Variant of Covid.
 
Zachowon said:
The Delta varient is that bad huh? I will take the chance
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For the unvaccinated, yea.

Even the single shot JJ vaccine will improve your chances by a truly staggering amount because it gives your immune system a leg up on detecting and fighting the virus.
 
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